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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/10/2007 4:15:09 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/10/2007 8:12:30 PM   
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May 9, 1943

Location: 290 miles east-northeast of Gili Gili
Course: West-southwest
Attached to: TF 36
Mission: Surface combat
System Damage: 3
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 281

Orders: Screen bombardment force from enemy attack

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An aerial battle is taking place high above Hibiki, but from the deck of the destroyer it is not always easy to tell what is going on. Airplanes twist and turn more than three miles overhead, and here and there a trail of smoke or a smear of fire across the sky shows where a plane has taken a mortal wound.

About two dozen of the enemy gull-winged fighters have escorted some thirty single-engine bombers against the Japanese ships. The enemy escorts have been met and engaged by an almost equal number of Zero-sen fighters.

It is clear, however, that the Japanese planes are having problems. The enemy bombers are passing overhead in good formation, while the Japanese planes scooting across the sky seem often as not to be trying to evade the American fighters. This is a shock to those watching. These are Japanese carrier pilots, the best of the best, and never before has the crew of Hibiki seen them forced onto the defensive.

The battle passes over Hibiki’s task force and the enemy bombers begin to drop down, targeting the big battleships in the bombardment task force. Some of the Japanese fighters break free and attack them, and at least one bomber is shot down, but the rest execute a determined attack. Aboard Hibiki they can see bursts of flak blossom over the distant ships behind them.

The toll in the air, as it is added up later, is discouraging. Three enemy fighters and one bomber are shot down at the cost of ten Zero-sen fighters. Among the targeted ships the news is better. Somehow Yamato and Musashi avoid every bomb and only two strike Kirishima. One of these bursts harmless atop the “A” turret and the other deflects off the side of the ship and explodes in the water alongside.

Six Japanese pilots are rescued by the destroyers of the bombardment task force and one enemy pilot is also plucked out of the water. As the afternoon grows late and no further air attacks develop the Japanese ships begin to pick up speed for the run into Gili Gili.


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/10/2007 8:34:30 PM   
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And the nail biting begins

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/10/2007 8:38:30 PM   
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It sure would be an inglorious end to Hibiki if she were to hit a mine and glug... glug... glug...

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/10/2007 9:50:51 PM   
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It is clear, however, that the Japanese planes are having problems. The enemy bombers are passing overhead in good formation, while the Japanese planes scooting across the sky seem often as not to be trying to evade the American fighters. This is a shock to those watching. These are Japanese carrier pilots, the best of the best, and never before has the crew of Hibiki seen them forced onto the defensive.

The battle passes over Hibiki’s task force and the enemy bombers begin to drop down, targeting the big battleships in the bombardment task force. Some of the Japanese fighters break free and attack them, and at least one bomber is shot down, but the rest execute a determined attack. Aboard Hibiki they can see bursts of flak blossom over the distant ships behind them.

The toll in the air, as it is added up later, is discouraging. Three enemy fighters and one bomber are shot down at the cost of ten Zero-sen fighters. Among the targeted ships the news is better. Somehow Yamato and Musashi avoid every bomb and only two strike Kirishima. One of these bursts harmless atop the “A” turret and the other deflects off the side of the ship and explodes in the water alongside.




Outstanding writing -- you're really ratcheting up the tension levels. Wolffpack must be tearing his hair at the bombing results. (Mind you, against Yamato and Musashi you need torpedoes, not bombs.)


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/11/2007 2:29:26 AM   
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Location: 175 miles east of Normanby Island
Course: Northeast
Attached to: TF 36
Mission: Surface combat
System Damage: 3
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 177

Orders: Screen bombardment force from enemy attack

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“It’s very dark,” says Shiro. Standing in the forward 25mm gun tub beside him Taiki concentrates on peering through his binoculars and does not reply. It is, in fact, very dark. The moon is a slender crescent and it and the stars are mostly obscured by cloud cover anyway. Gili Gili is now some five miles ahead. Aboard Hibiki and every other ship in the task force eyes are straining through the night, seeking any irregularity against the almost invisible horizon or any deeper shadow against the blackness of the sea.

“It’s very dark,” says Ensign Izu. He is standing on the port observation wing, peering through a set of the big 21 cm. binoculars. Standing beside him is Riku, peering through a pair of hand held binoculars. Suddenly Riku lowers the binoculars and cocks his head to one side.

“Keep a sharp look…” begins Izu, catching sight of him out of the corner of his eye.

“Shh!” hisses Riku in response. Izu is so shocked at being addressed this way by an ordinary seaman that he does not respond for a moment. And by then he hears it too. Somewhere out in the night, over the rumble of Hibiki’s own engines, comes the higher-pitched sound of Packard gasoline-fueled engines at high power.

“Enemy torpedo boats!” he yells. “Engine sounds from the port side!”

From another destroyer a searchlight stabs out as a lookout spots a phosphorescent wake. An enemy torpedo boat is caught in the beam for a moment. It slips away, and then the beam steadies on it again.

“Searchlights!” commands Captain Ishii from the bridge. Hibiki’s own searchlights send out spears of light, and suddenly the night is alive with the sound of engines and the roar of guns. Enemy torpedo boats seem to be everywhere.

“Course change 70 degrees to port!” snaps Ishii, aware that enemy torpedoes must already be in the water. As Hibiki makes the turn her searchlights pick out a torpedo boat heading in towards the task force. Hibiki plunges straight towards it. Guns fire aboard the PT boat and a line of splashes erupts in the water close off Hibiki’s starboard side.

“Open fire!” commands the captain. Gunnery officer Kuwaki needs no further urging. A moment later the forward 5” turret roars. Kuwaki watches the shots erupt behind the fast-moving boat and orders a correction. The second volley also misses, but the third is a direct hit. The PT boat bursts into flames.

Ishii orders another course change, and Hibiki, water curling away from her bow, sweeps past the burning boat. As they pass the starboard 25mm and 13mm guns open fire, raking the torpedo boat and leaving it to sink.

Hibiki continues back around in a sweeping turn, seeking new targets. Out of the darkness a destroyer suddenly looms ahead. It is down at the stern and dead in the water. Fires are licking from the aft superstructure.

“Hard to port!” yells the captain. Hibiki clears the stricken ship by thirty meters.

“That was Mikazuki, sir,” says Lieutenant Miharu in a tight voice. Ishii nods grimly. Hibiki continues around and rejoins the bulk of the task force, which is now in some disarray. The firing lessens as the surviving enemy boats withdraw. The torpedo boat Hibiki hit has sunk, but another PT boat continues to burn not too far away.

“Sir,” calls a lookout. “More torpedo boats, dead ahead!” Captain Ishii curses and orders Hibiki forward, ahead of Kongo and the cruisers.

This enemy squadron is coming straight in and does not seem to have spotted the Japanese ships yet. The darkness works against both sides.

“Target the ship on the far right,” orders Captain Ishii. “Fire!” Hibiki’s guns fire again, and despite the confusion and the darkness her gunnery is excellent. Four 5” shells tear into the PT boat in less than a minute, destroying the small craft.

“New target,” calls Ishii. “Bearing 30 degrees to port.” The order is relayed to Kuwaki, and Hibiki fires again. The enemy is straddled. Rather than slug it out with the destroyer this torpedo boat turns and speeds away into the darkness.

Other PT boats have closed with the Japanese ships and begin to return fire. From somewhere there is an explosion as another destroyer is hit by a torpedo. Captain Ishii orders Hibiki around in a tight turn. As she comes about he catches kaleidoscopic glimpses of the fight, including the image of one enemy boat racing alongside Kongo. A minnow attacking a whale, it futilely but defiantly rakes the battleship with its machine guns as it passes. Another torpedo boat explodes as a shell from a Japanese destroyer ignites its volatile avgas tank.

Again the surviving torpedo boats withdraw, chased by a final few shells from the Japanese ships. Looking around Captain Ishii is shocked to see that there are now only four destroyers still in the fight, and two of these have fires and other damage. Burning patches of oil are scattered on the water and flaming wreckage from torpedo boats dots the ocean.

“More torpedo boats, 2000 meters to port!” yells a lookout. Captain Ishii runs a hand across his face, then orders Hibiki to turn and meet the threat.

Most of the fire from this new attack is directed at disabled Mikazuki, by now left behind and to port of the main body. Other ships are hit before the disorganized Japanese destroyers can begin to fire back. At this point Kongo, the untouched giant at the center of the battle, has apparently had enough. Her big guns swing to port and fire, ripping the night apart. Huge geysers of water erupt among the oncoming torpedo boats. Kongo fires again, and one torpedo boat has the staggering misfortune to be hit by two 14” shells. The projectiles pass completely through the boat without detonating but the sheer kinetic impact, followed by the underwater detonation of the shells, tears the enemy craft apart. The remaining torpedo boats turn and flee.

No further threats emerge. Captain Koyanaji’s ships regroup as the bombardment group sweeps past a couple of miles to the north and begins to lob shells at Gili Gili.

Kongo and the three cruisers are untouched. Yugumo has taken a torpedo and some cannon fire. She reports 27 dead and many injured. Kasasagi has been hit hard by machine gun and cannon fire and has suffered heavy casualties. Kagero is down at the bows from a torpedo hit.

Mikazuki has already slipped beneath the waves. Hibiki and Tachikaze, the only undamaged destroyers, pull survivors from the water. Soon Hibiki’s decks are crowded with miserable, oil-fouled refugees. It is not easy to tell who is being pulled out the water in the darkness, and two American sailors end up aboard as well. Captain Ishii orders they be given the same comforts as the Japanese survivors but puts them under armed guard.

Off in the distance the bombardment ends. The night is waning and it is time to depart. Yugumo and Kasasagi limp into position, but it is obvious that there is no way Kagero can keep up. Aboard Kongo Captain Koyanaji reluctantly orders that Kagero be left behind.

Hibiki remains as the other ships depart and comes alongside Kagero to take aboard her wounded. These men will be transferred to the larger ships when time permits. During the operation Commander Arimoto, Kagero’s captain, comes aboard briefly. He is met by Captain Ishii.

“Sir,” says Captain Ishii worriedly, “you can’t get out of aircraft range by daybreak.” Arimoto nods.

“I know,” he says. “We will have to hope Yamato and the others have done their job well. If not…well, please take this.” He hands Captain Ishii two letters. “These are for my wife and children. If it is necessary…”

“I will take care of it,” Ishii assures him. “But I hope to see you come into port behind us, sir. Good luck.” The two men salute, and Captain Arimoto returns to his ship. All the wounded are now aboard. Captain Ishii tucks the letters away and gives orders for Hibiki to rejoin the task force. The destroyer’s engines rumble as she picks up speed in the darkness, leaving Kagero and the site of the battle behind.

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Hibiki picks up her first night experience point of the war and is now at 77/67 (began the war at 72/66).

The first screenshot is from the second round of the battle, as Hibiki sinks PT-110 (her first victim was PT-62). The second shows the summary from the third and final round of the fight.






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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/11/2007 3:45:26 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/11/2007 6:05:06 AM   
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Wow! Its been a while since I saw PTs do so well.  Good job, Hibiki!


OT: I just finished watching Letters from Iwo Jima. Whoever suggested Ken Watanabe for the role of Capt. Ishii (Terminus?) has my full support. Oh, and Tsuyoshi Ihara (Baron Nishi in the movie) as Shun would work great!

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/11/2007 3:18:50 PM   
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Hi Cuttlefish,

I have been lurking here since page one. I just wanted to add my words to the many other people who have praised this AAR. It is truly a unique master piece.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/11/2007 10:50:00 PM   
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Just an outstanding description of the battle!
Interesting that Kongo scored with her main guns but apparently not with her secondaries.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/12/2007 1:01:48 AM   
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Hi Cuttlefish,

I have been lurking here since page one. I just wanted to add my words to the many other people who have praised this AAR. It is truly a unique master piece.

Walter


Thank you, sir. I'm glad you have enjoyed it so far.

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Just an outstanding description of the battle!
Interesting that Kongo scored with her main guns but apparently not with her secondaries.



The screen shot shows three shells hits. I know the first two were 14", but I think the last one was a 6". But after the first two hits I figure the last shot was just pushing debris around in the water.

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Watching this turn during the combat replay was bad for my heart. It wasn't easy to unclench my hands from the armrests of my chair when it was over. I almost decided right then that Hibiki needs to spend some time doing patrol duty up around Port Arthur.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/12/2007 1:04:09 AM   
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May 11, 1943

Location: 60 miles southwest of Munda Point
Course: Northeast
Attached to: TF 36
Mission: Surface combat
System Damage: 3
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 443

Orders: Proceed to Lunga

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As the rises higher in the sky the Japanese ships hurry eastward, trying to get out of range of enemy aircraft. The screening task force, slowed slightly by the damaged destroyers Yugumo and Kasasagi, begins to lag further and further behind the bombardment force. The carriers have already retired towards Lunga.

Aboard Hibiki all antiaircraft guns are manned and ready. Around mid morning a sailor enters the bridge from the radio room and hands Captain Ishii a message flimsy. The captain takes it and looks at it.

“It’s from Kagero,” he says, and reads: “We are under attack by many enemy aircraft. Two torpedo hits. Continuing to fight. Farewell. May the Emperor live ten thousand years.” He lowers the message sheet and slowly crushes it in one hand.

“They are buying time for us,” says Lieutenant Sugiyura somberly. Ishii nods. No one else speaks as Hibiki continues eastward, water curling away from her bow.

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Hibiki’s deck is crowded with sailors, some of them on stretchers. Riku leads the effort to feed and care for them, marshalling workers and supplies and moving tirelessly about the deck with water, food, and blankets.

On the fantail, a little apart from the others, are the two American sailors. Riku has helped them clean off some oil and given them some food, and Senior Petty Officer Aikawa stands guard nearby with a rifle.

Late in the morning Lieutenant Miharu arrives to speak with the two men. The first is a junior lieutenant, apparently the commander of one of the destroyed torpedo boats. He has a strong jaw and tousled hair, and speaks English with an accent that makes him difficult for Miharu to understand. It could be a southern accent, Miharu thinks, but he cannot easily distinguish between regional American dialects. In any event the prisoner will only give his name and rank.

The other man is a bit younger. Lieutenant Miharu asks him for his name and rank.

“Ensign Mark Turnby, PT-62,” replies the young officer. Lieutenant Miharu stares at him.

“Turnby?” he says. “Mark Turnby? Tell me, please, is your father by any chance Lieutenant Commander Charles Turnby?” Now it is the young American’s turn to stare.

“It’s Captain Turnby now, but yeah,” he says. “How the hell do you know that…uh, sir?”

“I know your father,” says the lieutenant. “We have a mutual friend, Ben Packard.”

“Sure, I know Captain Packard,” says Turnby. The other American is looking with great interest at both of them now. He says something to Turnby that Miharu doesn’t completely catch.

“I won’t tell him anything he doesn’t seem to know already, sir,” Turnby assures him. He turns back to Lieutenant Miharu. “Sir, if I can ask, who are you?”

“Of course,” says Miharu. “Forgive my rudeness in not identifying myself. I am Lieutenant Miharu Sakamoto, executive officer of destroyer Hibiki. I was at Annapolis in 1935, which is when I met your father.” The lieutenant smiles a little. “He thought this war was coming,” he adds. “It seems he was not wrong.”

“Guess not,” says Turnby, looking around him. Lieutenant Miharu asks him how his father is doing and the two men chat for a bit. It is an oddly social conversation, given the setting.

“I must return to my duties,” says Miharu finally. “If you need anything send for me, or you can ask that man over there.” He points out Riku, who is currently helping to change the dressing on a wounded man’s shoulder over by the “Y” turret. “He speaks enough English that you should have no trouble getting your point across.” He turns to leave.

“Lieutentant, if I may ask – where are we going?” says Turnby. Miharu turns back for a moment.

“Guadalcanal,” he answers, then leaves. Turnby shrugs.

“Never heard of the place,” he says to the other man.




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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/12/2007 3:22:39 AM   
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Question CF,

Did you plan to do that scene with the Americans ahead of time? I had a flashback of Letters from Iwo Jima as I read it.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/12/2007 3:31:05 AM   
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By the way, Hibiki crew looks much more civilized than their historical IJN DD counterparts, who didn't seem that kind with any allied prisoner they might come across (I read in Shattered Sword some weeks ago what they did to the captured USN airmen at Midway - now that was again quite disgusting...)

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/12/2007 3:36:31 AM   
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Question CF,

Did you plan to do that scene with the Americans ahead of time? I had a flashback of Letters from Iwo Jima as I read it.


The short answer is that I hadn't planned on writing it beforehand. I had thought out the final message from Kagero ahead of time, but not the part with the Americans. But now you've piqued my curiousity, because I haven't seen "Letters" yet.

I think that this scene, or something like it, must have been kicking around in my subconcious though, because I felt suddenly compelled to write that Annapolis flashback last week and I really didn't know why at the time. It sounds kind of strange, but it's true.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/12/2007 3:46:22 AM   
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By the way, Hibiki crew looks much more civilized than their historical IJN DD counterparts, who didn't seem that kind with any allied prisoner they might come across (I read in Shattered Sword some weeks ago what they did to the captured USN airmen at Midway - now that was again quite disgusting...)


From what I've read Japanese treatment of POW's in the field varied wildly, from courteous to barbaric. It seemed to depend on who was doing the capturing, or even on what the mood of the captor happened to be that day.

In this case the crew would take their lead from the captain, and Ishii just isn't the type to mistreat prisoners. Once they leave Hibiki's deck it may be a different story, of course...

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/12/2007 3:49:52 AM   
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Thanks CF. I very much recommend that you see it. The perspectives and the humanity of the characters are very similar to yours.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/12/2007 4:13:13 AM   
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From what I've read Japanese treatment of POW's in the field varied wildly, from courteous to barbaric. It seemed to depend on who was doing the capturing, or even on what the mood of the captor happened to be that day.

In this case the crew would take their lead from the captain, and Ishii just isn't the type to mistreat prisoners. Once they leave Hibiki's deck it may be a different story, of course...

Sure
And I am with Onime about Letters. There is indeed much in common between some of the characters in the movie and yours - including that moving "east-meets-west" part

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/12/2007 4:46:48 AM   
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Late in the morning Lieutenant Miharu arrives to speak with the two men. The first is a junior lieutenant, apparently the commander of one of the destroyed torpedo boats. He has a strong jaw and tousled hair, and speaks English with an accent that makes him difficult for Miharu to understand. It could be a southern accent, Miharu thinks, but he cannot easily distinguish between regional American dialects. In any event the prisoner will only give his name and rank.



Does this mean the 35th president will be Richard Milhouse Nixon? I am afraid I can't picture Marilyn coming to visit him.

I can't wait to read his book, Profiles in Captivity, though!

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/12/2007 4:47:11 AM   
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I think there is enough variability in history that we can believe in a decent mannered Ishii. Besides - this is a story and the best writers know how to make a protagonist that their audience will root for. I think most of the audience here would tire quickly of reading about a brutal ship captain that continually displayed a blatant disregard for human life.



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ORIGINAL: Fishbed

By the way, Hibiki crew looks much more civilized than their historical IJN DD counterparts, who didn't seem that kind with any allied prisoner they might come across (I read in Shattered Sword some weeks ago what they did to the captured USN airmen at Midway - now that was again quite disgusting...)


From what I've read Japanese treatment of POW's in the field varied wildly, from courteous to barbaric. It seemed to depend on who was doing the capturing, or even on what the mood of the captor happened to be that day.

In this case the crew would take their lead from the captain, and Ishii just isn't the type to mistreat prisoners. Once they leave Hibiki's deck it may be a different story, of course...



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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/12/2007 4:47:21 AM   
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From what I've read Japanese treatment of POW's in the field varied wildly, from courteous to barbaric. It seemed to depend on who was doing the capturing, or even on what the mood of the captor happened to be that day.

In this case the crew would take their lead from the captain, and Ishii just isn't the type to mistreat prisoners. Once they leave Hibiki's deck it may be a different story, of course...

Sure
And I am with Onime about Letters. There is indeed much in common between some of the characters in the movie and yours - including that moving "east-meets-west" part



iirc, there is a similar scene in Midway

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/12/2007 5:36:37 AM   
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Late in the morning Lieutenant Miharu arrives to speak with the two men. The first is a junior lieutenant, apparently the commander of one of the destroyed torpedo boats. He has a strong jaw and tousled hair, and speaks English with an accent that makes him difficult for Miharu to understand. It could be a southern accent, Miharu thinks, but he cannot easily distinguish between regional American dialects. In any event the prisoner will only give his name and rank.



Does this mean the 35th president will be Richard Milhouse Nixon? I am afraid I can't picture Marilyn coming to visit him.

I can't wait to read his book, Profiles in Captivity, though!


PT-109 was sunk during the battle, that's all I'm saying for now...

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/12/2007 11:51:53 AM   
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Hmmm, wonder what Turnby Senior was demoted for? Miharu refers to him as "Captain Turnby" but the son says he's a Lieutenant Commander. I think that's two ranks lower.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/12/2007 12:47:09 PM   
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Late in the morning Lieutenant Miharu arrives to speak with the two men. The first is a junior lieutenant, apparently the commander of one of the destroyed torpedo boats. He has a strong jaw and tousled hair, and speaks English with an accent that makes him difficult for Miharu to understand. It could be a southern accent, Miharu thinks, but he cannot easily distinguish between regional American dialects. In any event the prisoner will only give his name and rank.



Does this mean the 35th president will be Richard Milhouse Nixon? I am afraid I can't picture Marilyn coming to visit him.

I can't wait to read his book, Profiles in Captivity, though!


PT-109 was sunk during the battle, that's all I'm saying for now...



Pt-109 is Captained by W.M. Pawlak in the scenario editor. JFK is not even in the officers list.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/12/2007 3:50:12 PM   
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Hmmm, wonder what Turnby Senior was demoted for? Miharu refers to him as "Captain Turnby" but the son says he's a Lieutenant Commander. I think that's two ranks lower.


I was wondering that myself.

Cuttlefish, you're aware that it goes:
Ens, Lt JG, Lt, Lt Cmdr, Cmdr, Capt...

An Army Capt (O3) is Navy Lt (O-3).
An Army Col(O6) is a Navy Capt(O6).

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/12/2007 5:05:06 PM   
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Hmmm, wonder what Turnby Senior was demoted for? Miharu refers to him as "Captain Turnby" but the son says he's a Lieutenant Commander. I think that's two ranks lower.


I was wondering that myself.

Cuttlefish, you're aware that it goes:
Ens, Lt JG, Lt, Lt Cmdr, Cmdr, Capt...

An Army Capt (O3) is Navy Lt (O-3).
An Army Col(O6) is a Navy Capt(O6).

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Captain Turnby had been assigned to the MAGIC Codebreaking section at Pearl, but when the Redman brothers came in from Washington DC and threw out Rochefort, the leader of the section, Turnby was loyal to Rochefort. He was transferred and demoted for this - Rochefort was just transferred.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/12/2007 5:09:58 PM   
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Sheesh... When the book/screenplay is written, Y'all are going to need to be credited it your stuff gets used...

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/12/2007 6:08:20 PM   
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Hmmm, wonder what Turnby Senior was demoted for? Miharu refers to him as "Captain Turnby" but the son says he's a Lieutenant Commander. I think that's two ranks lower.



Yeah, I know better, I just wrote it backwards. Miharu was supposed to say "Lieutenant Commander" and his son was supposed to say "Captain." They obviously didn't have enough time to go over the script before I wrote the scene and muffed their lines.

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Pt-109 is Captained by W.M. Pawlak in the scenario editor. JFK is not even in the officers list.


I'll stand by this one. The game does not appropriately promote or reassign leaders as the war goes on (and I can't blame Matrix for that, since the players can at least do the reassigning themselves), but I think it's pretty well known who was actually in command of PT-109 at this point in the war.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/12/2007 9:35:16 PM   
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Nice to have all the nit-pick...upps, uh, that's editors, right Cuttlefish:)?
 
Best get used to it so you'll be prepared when your start writing for big bucks.  Then, we hanger-oners can say, "Hey, I knew Cuttlefish when he entertained us for nothing in a great AAR". "I used to point out every slight error in his scripts".  "I guess I made him what he is today".

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 10/12/2007 10:04:04 PM   
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Nice to have all the nit-pick...upps, uh, that's editors, right Cuttlefish:)?
 
Best get used to it so you'll be prepared when your start writing for big bucks.  Then, we hanger-oners can say, "Hey, I knew Cuttlefish when he entertained us for nothing in a great AAR". "I used to point out every slight error in his scripts".  "I guess I made him what he is today".



Hey, at least I know people are reading carefully and paying attention!

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