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RE: Harpoon Series FAQ - 10/9/2007 8:04:06 PM

FreekS

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Well, I've had warships in harbour, ordered the player to leave them in harbour and created an on-station viccond to verify the player did that (2nd Lebanese war/Unifil.scn). Having a readiness-time for ships could have made that easier!

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RE: Harpoon Series FAQ - 10/9/2007 8:15:30 PM

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<scratches head>

But if a sub/ship isn't ready, you can't order it/change loadouts/do anything with it.

Plus... I didin't think there were harbour facilities in ANW?

�I remember them in Classic but not anything later.

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RE: Harpoon Series FAQ - 10/10/2007 1:29:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: BurntFingers

Er... why would any surface or sub unit NOT be ready?

For several possible reasons........

Loading goods, ammo, fuel [not every country do operate replenishment vessels],
To repair damage,
Normal maintenance periods,
The scenario designer likes it

Being attacked by the enemy between Friday 17:00 and Monday 09:00 IS NOT DONE!!!

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RE: Harpoon Series FAQ - 10/10/2007 9:42:33 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BurntFingers

Er... why would any surface or sub unit NOT be ready?

Is this based on research, experience or opinion?

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Serving on a warship is�not a nine-to-five job... come to that, any sort of military service.

Are you suggesting that all military personel are at 52/7/24/60 readiness? Equipment included............

I think you may find that men and equipment are very rarely at 'five minutes' or 'full readiness' or any other term you may wish to use. Ships dont sail around with all crew at stations 24/7 and they are not left with the engines running (other than for gen. purposes) and one up the spout when at dock. Im pretty sure that shore leave is still recomended for crew morale as well, including hostilities!

In fact I think it is a damn good question, readiness in whilst in harbour, good one! Opens up some interesting scenario questions, damn interesting!

Yeah chuck us the keys Im just taking Broadswork for a quick oncer round lands end, ok rear guv? Wodya mean Im gunna need some crew and warm 'er up a bit?

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RE: Harpoon Series FAQ - 10/10/2007 1:19:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: Taitennek

The scenario designer likes it

Then the Scenario Editor could just use the database editor to create a non-ready unit. No difference between doing that and tinkering with the game engine. Of course, the unit would not switch from being a dead weight to being a live unit...

Yeah, it would mean distributing a custom database with the scenario - so what?

Multiplayer forces a new database download anyway, to make sure players are playing from the same one.

IF it was a case of deciding which mission a ship would prosecute - that's a different issue. But it's not like ships carry different loadouts like planes do.

All that's going to happen is that scenario writers will be delighted at the opportunities to screw up players fun.

Players will hate it.

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ORIGINAL: Bungle
Is this based on research, experience or opinion? :confused:

It's based on the fact that when a player clicks on a unit, they expect that unit to respond. Not a "sorry, we're too busy polishing the brass" message.

I'm sure you get my point. Yes, I get your point that ships are not at Action Stations 24/7, but the point is the watches are continuous. It's not like everyone goes to sleep by midnight or there's no one at the wheel from 0200-0600.

Don't get me wrong here - there could be a very good idea at the bottom of this.

I just don't see it myself. Then again I haven't played with the scenario editor for very long.

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RE: Harpoon Series FAQ - 10/11/2007 10:06:37 PM

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It's based on the fact that when a player clicks on a unit, they expect that unit to respond. Not a "sorry, we're too busy polishing the brass" message.

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That would be annoying too.....

, I mean the message....

Ships sometimes must stay in harbor because of all kind of [periodly] duties. Some of them were discribed in earlier topic.
Harpoon is a game about reality, designers [ I am one of them] are looking for the most realistic circumstances in their scenario.
When Aircraft logistics are possible, why not the same for ships/submarines? [imo, technically it is not a problem, or?]

But, talking about messaging, there are many possibillities/reasons available:
1 of them could be:

Unit is docked, est. time readiness time is 14:00 hrs. [example].

Implement 2-3 standard messages for such situations, the player would understand.
Playing HC, messages are rather realistic.... "malfunction of Mk141 VLS" or the vessel that runs on the ground.... etc. nice and sometimes frustrating messages. But that's all in the game.

My request does imo improve the game. I hope that AGSI can do something with it.

Cheers,
Frans

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RE: Harpoon Series FAQ - 10/15/2007 11:26:28 PM

analog

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Regarding ship ready times. (wonder what this has to do with the original post

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A possible work around would be to place a ship in the scene with empty magazines or very little fuel so that it cannot go very far, and force a replenishment ship to rendevous with it. The time delay for the unit can be set by the distance between the ship and replenishment unit.

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