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RE: 3 enemy cve's hit near Aparri! - 10/11/2007 11:06:05 PM   
wild_Willie2


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That's a picture from a Queen elizabeth class battleship ?

But none of those turned turtle ?

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RE: 3 enemy cve's hit near Aparri! - 10/11/2007 11:08:14 PM   
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If no QE type bb turned turtle you have to think about another class 

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RE: 3 enemy cve's hit near Aparri! - 10/11/2007 11:34:55 PM   
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Novorossiysk?

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RE: 3 enemy cve's hit near Aparri! - 10/11/2007 11:40:29 PM   
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Now we're getting somewhere!

Read this:

The Battleship Novorossisk
The ex-Italian Battleship Guilio Cesare in Soviet Service

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The Guilio Cesare, like Italy's other First World War battleships, was extensively reconstructed in the mid 1930s. She was active in the early years of the war, suffering a 15-inch shell hit at the Battle of Punto Stilo, but escaping damage during the British carrier air raid at Taranto. She was damaged by high level bombers at Naples, and was present at the First Battle of Sirte. By January of 1942 fuel shortages and the obsolescence of the class caused the Italian Navy to leave Guilio Cesare inactive at Taranto for the rest of the year. On December 30 she sailed for Pola, where she was laid up and used as a barracks ship and stationary training vessel.

The Italian Navy was caught completely by surprise when the armistice with the Allies was announced September 9, 1943. Cesare was ordered to sail, with her greatly reduced crew, to Malta and internment. After a brief stop at Taranto, the ship was proceeding south when a mutiny broke out on September 9. Led by members of the crew who wanted to scuttle the ship rather than turn it over to the Allies, the rebellion was soon controlled by officers who convinced those on board that it was in Italy's best interest to carry out the provisions of the armistice.

While smaller units of the Italian fleet joined the Allies against the Germans, the battleships sat out the war. Cesare remained at Malta until June 1944, when she returned to Taranto and was laid up.

The Russians had demanded that one third of the Italian fleet be turned over to them in 1944, but the British and Americans placated them by lend-leasing several of their own ships to the Soviets. But the Soviets renewed their demands as soon as the fighting stopped, and despite Italy's best efforts their fleet was divided between the Russians, French, British, and Americans. According to the peace agreement signed in Paris on Feb 10, 1947, Guilio Cesare was allocated to the Soviets, and was scheduled to be delivered to the Russian Navy in seagoing condition within two years.

Cesare was given very quick and minimum repairs to electrical and mechanical systems to make her ready for sea, and then decommissioned. Given the number Z-11, she sailed with a civilian crew, under the flag of the Italian Merchant Marine, Feb 5, 1949. A few crew members made an attempt to sabotage the ship and interrupt the transfer, but they were unsuccessful. The next day she was transferred to a Soviet crew at Valone, Albania, as the Montreux Convention prohibited her passage into the Black Sea while still owned by Italy. Two weeks were spent familiarizing the new crew with the ship, and then the old battleship sailed for Sevastopol.

The Russians named their new battleship Novorossisk (sometimes spelled Novorossiysk) March 5, 1949, but perhaps did not get what they expected. The ship was in very poor material condition, having sat for nearly 5 years without maintenance. At the waterline she was caked with barnacles, the ship was rusty, and many systems simply did not work. The neglected machinery, combined with the poor crew training and the fact that all controls and manuals were in Italian, meant that the Russians could barely keep the ship running. In addition to the understandable neglect, the ship itself was not designed for the general way the Soviets operated their ships. For example, the Soviets were quite surprised to find that only the officer's mess was equipped with a full galley; the main galley was equipped only with large pasta boilers, and those did not work. The Italian Navy did not make the seamen live on the ship, housing them instead on shore in barracks with full kitchens. Italian Navy operations rarely put the battleship to sea for more than one or two days, and the day's hot meal at sea always consisted of pasta with olive oil, and red wine. The Russians set up portable Army kitchens on the ships deck to feed the crew until the ship could be refitted to Soviet standards.

Designed for the warm Mediterranean, the ship proved to be unsuited for cold weather operations also, as the crew quarters were not insulated. In the sub-freezing temperatures of the Black Sea in winter, the ship's steam heated air against the cold steel exterior caused tremendous amounts of condensation in the crew quarter of the forecastle, much like an old refrigerator. To escape the constant indoor rain, the crew often slept in the ship's internal passageways. Clearly a lot of work would need to be done if the vessel was to serve in the Soviet fleet. The value of such a ship was questionable, considering the age of the vessel, and the rapid advances in naval warfare since the ship was rebuilt in the 1930s. However, Stalin was a big fan of big ships with big guns, and the old battleship carried the largest guns in the Soviet fleet, so serve she would.

In May 1949 the ship went into the Northern drydock at Sevastopol. Russian naval experts were surprised at the condition of the underwater hull: while the waterline was completely overgrown with barnacles, the underwater hull was free of growth, thanks to an advanced anti-fouling coating used by the Italians. After a good cleaning, inspection, paint, and some repairs Novorossisk returned to service, acting as flag ship for maneuvers in July 1949.

Plans were made to refit the ship with Russian 305mm, 52 caliber guns, but in the end it was decided to keep the Italian weapons and manufacture ammo specifically for the ship. She had been delivered with only a sample of shells, due to concerns about the age and stability of the left over WWII shells, and Soviet expectations that the ship would be re-gunned. But production lines were set up, and soon new AP and HE rounds filled the ship's magazines.

Over the next six years the ship's combat, technical, and mechanical systems were slowly but surely repaired, upgraded, and converted to Soviet standards. A lot of work was done, but on eight occasions the ship had to receive repairs to her propulsion plant, which the Soviets never quite were able to master. Finally the frustrated Soviets replaced the turbines with ones their engineers were familiar with, brand new ones manufactured at the Kharkov plant. After this change, the ship made 27 knots on machinery trials, good for a ship of her age but short of her best in Italian service.

Despite Stalin's death, work on the battleship continued: carrying the largest guns then afloat for the Soviet Navy, and freshly modernized, she was more than a match for the only other large surface vessel in the Black Sea, the old Turkish battlecruiser Yavus. Her guns would also be powerful support for any amphibious operation. By May 1955 the ship was ready to begin working her crew up for front line service, commanded by Fleet Commander Vice Admiral Victor Parkhomenko.

She went to sea several times over the next five months, for training and combat exercises to train her crew, and for fleet maneuvers. On October 28, 1955, Novorossisk returned from sea for the last time and moored 1000 feet off shore in Sevastopol Bay, across from the hospital, and took on board a number of Army personnel. These soldiers had been temporarily assigned to the battleship for gunnery training, as they would be manning coast defense guns removed from old Soviet battleships. The anchorage at Sevastopol was poorly protected and not in a high state of readiness, with the outer harbor unguarded and underwater listening devices that were not functional.

At 0131 on the 29th, a large underwater explosion was heard, and the ship shook from the force of the explosion. Alarms sounded, and the ship immediately took on a list to starboard and went down by the bow, slowly settling as the list slowly increased. Panic set in among the newer recruits and Army personnel, and officers did a slow job restoring discipline, so it was some time before damage control began. But calm was restored, and damage control reports started coming in.

Damage reports were grim: a huge explosion had ruptured the ship's hull, extending back from the bow over 72 feet. The force of the explosion pierced all the decks, blowing a hole in the forecastle deck that measured 46 feet by 14 feet. Parkhomenko remained calm- too calm, refusing to abandon ship and sending everyone back to their battle stations. He assured everyone that the ship was in no danger, as he felt the ship would not sink by the bow, and the list was irrelevant: the water was only 55 feet deep, and the ship drew 34 feet and water and was 92 feet wide, so she could not roll over. He reluctantly agreed to let volunteers from other ships, experienced damage control personnel, to report on board Novorossisk to assist. Parkhomenko conceitedly reported to his superiors that he had the situation under control. He reportedly sat in a chair looking completely unconcerned, and lamenting that he wished he could "go get a cup of tea".

But Parkhomenko was wrong. While the water was shallow, the harbor bottom was exceptionally soft mud for a depth of over 50 feet before reaching a hard bottom. Novorossisk sank slowly by the head for over two hours, until her bow hit bottom. At 0415 she lurched over to starboard, rolling rapidly until her mast struck the hard bottom below the mud. Dozens of men were throw overboard as the ship capsized, many being struck by the spinning ship, or trapped and drowned between the overturned ship and the muddy bottom. Several hundred more were trapped inside the ship, still at their battle stations.

Small craft and rescue workers rushed to the scene, pulling survivors out of the cold water. Divers rescued 2 men trapped in an air pocket between the quarter deck and the mud, and 7 more were saved by cutting a hole in the bottom of the stern. But the ship continued to take on water, and by 2200 Novorossisk had slipped beneath the waves. 604 men lost their lives, the worst disaster in the history of the Soviet Navy.

The Soviets decided to hide the disaster. No mention of it was made in the domestic press, the victims were buried in a common grave at a local military cemetery, and the survivors were reassigned with warnings not to speak of the incident. Rumors of her loss leaked out to the West, but details were not uncovered until the collapse of the Soviet Union in the 1980s.

The Soviet Navy investigated the disaster, alarmed at the loss of a powerful if aged unit. The investigation started with two possibilities: sabotage or a magazine explosion. However, the evidence soon took the investigation in another direction.

Divers examined the wreck, and engineers determined that the explosion clearly originated outside the ship, ruling out a magazine explosion. However, the damage was caused by a blast of considerable strength, roughly equivalent 2200-2650 pounds of TNT, and did not display the characteristics of damage caused by an explosive devise touching the hull. A devise this large and powerful would have been very difficult to sneak into the harbor and position under the ship in just a few hours. They were unable to rule out sabotage completely though, due to the lack of security at the anchorage.

The Navy pushed for a conclusion, and secret report was delivered in May 1956, saying that Novorossisk was lost due to an explosion of unknown origin. It could not lay blame for the explosion, but it found plenty of blame to go around. The report cited the indifference of the commanding officer as the primary cause of the loss of the ship and her crew, as even if the ship could not have been saved the entire crew could have been evacuated in the 2 hours and 45 minutes that elapsed between the explosion and the ship capsizing. Parkhomenko was criticized for not knowing the conditions of the harbor bottom, for not appreciating the danger his ship was in, and for exercising poor judgment.

The report very clearly also blamed the Navy as a whole, the initial panic and poor training were symptoms of a larger problem. Improved damage control training for officers and crew alike were instituted across the entire Soviet fleet. The man responsible for the current state of the fleet, First Deputy Minister of Defense and Commander-in-Chief of the Navy Nikolai Gerasimovich Kuznetsov, was fired from his post in November 1955. In February 1956 was demoted to the rank of vice admiral and sent to retirement without the right to return to active service in the Navy. He was, however, eventually reinstated.

As for the ship itself, the Russians sealed what they could, blasted off the superstructure to lighten the wreck, and in 1956 re-floated it with compressed air and salvage pontoons. The wreck was then grounded near shore and broken up for scrap over the next two years.

Divers then made a remarkable discovery: a WWII German magnetic mine sitting in the mud on the harbor bottom. Sevastopol Bay had been repeatedly swept for mines following the war, and Soviet ships had been using it continuously since then, yet there was the mine all the same. Divers expanded their search, turning up another mine, and then another, and then another. Within two years they had discovered 19 German mines in the mud, 8 smaller ones and 11 large ones. The larger ones had an explosive force that fell within the estimated range of the explosion that sank the ship.

The circumstantial evidence indicates that Novorossisk moored close to one of the larger mines, and somehow triggered it, perhaps with an anchor chain as she swung at her mooring. Critics claim the design life of the battery powering the magnetic trigger was only nine years, so by 1955 it should have been dead for well over a year. But the circumstantial evidence is strong, and statistically speaking a certain percentage of batteries should have retained a least a small amount of charge well past the design period. A careful examination of the other mines might have settled the issue by finding some charge in the other batteries, but such an examination would have been incredibly dangerous, and it is standard procedure to simply detonate rather than recover old mines.

Others theorize that Italian frogmen repeated their success at Pola, where they attached limpet mines to the ex-Austro-Hungarian battleship Viribus Unitis as it was surrendered to Yugoslavia, in order to deny the ship to their enemy. But there is absolutely zero evidence to support this theory, and the Italians would have absolutely nothing to gain from such an operation. Conspiracy theorists suggest that the Soviets sank the ship themselves so they could blame it on Turkey as an excuse to invade, only to cancel the invasion at the last moment. This seems far fetched, to say the least.

In the end, no one can say with 100% certainty what cause the loss of the battleship Novorossisk. But 604 men lost their lives, when many of them could have been saved if they had been properly trained and competently led. The explosion also marked the end of the big gun era in the Soviet Navy, as the remaining battleships were removed from service in this same timeframe, and the new battlecruisers then under construction were cancelled.

There is an interesting footnote to this story. In 1996 there was a ceremony in Voronezh to honor the 300th anniversary of the Russian Navy. Included in this event was the dedication of a new memorial to the men lost on Novorossisk, which culminated with the reading of a list of names of those killed 41 years before. One of the names was that of Sergeant-Major Alexandr Perelygin. Someone in the audience stood up and said the Alexandr Perelygin was actually alive and well, working as a security guard at a nearby aviation plant. An investigation proved this to be true: with the cover up of the sinking, Mr Perelygin and the Army were both apparently unaware that he was officially on the casualty list.
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Well done Monter




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RE: 3 enemy cve's hit near Aparri! - 10/12/2007 12:58:27 AM   
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If I make a pre-emptive strike on USSR, will their fighters be resting on the ground, on low - medium or high CAP?
It would be more tempting if they were sleeping

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/27/45

Invasions

Coastal Guns at Trimcomalee, 15,25, firing at TF 1078
TF 1078 troops unloading over beach at Trimcomalee, 15,25

19 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
AK Utahan, Shell hits 3
AK Panaman, Shell hits 1, heavy damage
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Bombardments

Naval bombardment of Bataan, at 42,51

Allied Ships
CLAA Flint
CL Adelaide
CA Shropshire
CA Alaska
CA St. Paul
BB Texas
BB New York
BB Richelieu, heavy damage
BB Missouri
BB Wisconsin
BB New Jersey

Japanese ground losses:
615 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
Vehicles lost 1
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Naval bombardment of Bataan, at 42,51

Allied Ships
CA Wichita
CA Tuscaloosa
CA Minneapolis
BB North Carolina, heavy damage
BB California
BB Maryland, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
775 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 6
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 2
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Naval bombardment of Bataan, at 42,51

Allied Ships
BB Iowa
BB Alabama
BB Massachusetts
BB Washington

Japanese ground losses:
3420 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 23
Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 15
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Air Combat

India

Day Air attack on Trimcomalee , at 15,25

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 48

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 1 destroyed
A7M2 Reppu: 1 destroyed
Ki-67 Peggy: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
87 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 71
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Day Air attack on TF, near Trimcomalee at 15,25

Japanese aircraft
J7W Shinden x 9
G4M2 Betty x 3
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 9
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 8

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 15
F4U-1D Corsair x 10
P-51D Mustang x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
J7W Shinden: 4 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 9 destroyed
Ki-84-Ic Frank: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 2 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 damaged
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Day Air attack on TF, near Trimcomalee at 15,25

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 3
B7A Grace x 4

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 13
F4U-1D Corsair x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 3 destroyed
B7A Grace: 4 destroyed
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Day Air attack on TF, near Trimcomalee at 15,25

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 2
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 2

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 13
F4U-1D Corsair x 10
P-51D Mustang x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
LCI(G) LCI-70
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Day Air attack on TF, near Yanam at 22,21

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 4
D4Y Judy x 27
B7A Grace x 24
G4M2 Betty x 13
P1Y Frances x 7
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 10
Ki-102a Randy x 8
Ki-67 Peggy x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y Judy: 1 damaged
B7A Grace: 1 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 1 damaged
Ki-67 Peggy: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied Ships - most of these ships sank
LSD Lindenwald, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, Kamikaze hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Horace V. White, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
APD Bates, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
APD Hopping, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LSD Colonial, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LCI(G) LCI(G)-366, heavy damage
AP Howell Lykes, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF, near Yanam at 22,21

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
APD Hopping, on fire, heavy damage
AP Oxford, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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Luzon

No luck around Luzon - Andy has not forgotten how we hit him when he neglected his CAP!

Day Air attack on TF at 43,55

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67 Peggy x 5

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67 Peggy: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
APD Bray
TK Stanvac Manila
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Day Air attack on TF at 43,55

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 18

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 8 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
APD Tollberg
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Ground Combat

That was a rough ride, but we fought back and inflicted heavy casualties on the enemy!!

Ground combat at Bataan

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 295357 troops, 2472 guns, 1350 vehicles, Assault Value = 5935

Defending force 98885 troops, 477 guns, 355 vehicles, Assault Value = 2022

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 8

Allied max assault: 5561 - adjusted assault: 2204

Japanese max defense: 1363 - adjusted defense: 2135

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 8)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 8

Japanese ground losses:
3500 casualties reported
Guns lost 35
Vehicles lost 33

Allied ground losses:
6707 casualties reported
Guns lost 212
Vehicles lost 40
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Not sure we can hold much longer! We're getting slowly decimated.

Ground combat at Trimcomalee

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 22124 troops, 98 guns, 307 vehicles, Assault Value = 530

Defending force 16521 troops, 99 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 195

Allied max assault: 758 - adjusted assault: 205

Japanese max defense: 166 - adjusted defense: 177

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Japanese ground losses:
2004 casualties reported
Guns lost 15

Allied ground losses:
355 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
Vehicles lost 2
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Ground combat at Naga

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 12821 troops, 112 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 272

Defending force 18910 troops, 84 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 244

Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
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Yeah! That taught them. Let's wear down their units and make them unfit for fight for
another month.

Ground combat at San Marcelino

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 20177 troops, 165 guns, 18 vehicles, Assault Value = 482

Defending force 6055 troops, 59 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 127

Allied max assault: 874 - adjusted assault: 141

Japanese max defense: 120 - adjusted defense: 148

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 9)

Japanese ground losses:
124 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Allied ground losses:
1967 casualties reported
Guns lost 43
Vehicles lost 11
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Ground combat at Trimcomalee

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6255 troops, 52 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 114

Defending force 22400 troops, 115 guns, 305 vehicles, Assault Value = 491
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Shindens over Ceylon

Unfortunately our main strikes did not launch on Trimcomalee today - the Shindens had
taken the edge of the local CAP!

We got some payback for todays air losses. 61 enemy Dakotas reported OP losses.
Must be from one of the freighters we sank




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RE: 3 enemy cve's hit near Aparri! - 10/12/2007 1:12:18 AM   
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No way you may take a shot at his bombardment force at Bataan with some RO subs? So many damaged battleship asking for a fish there...
Night-attack emilies may also give it a try in this case?

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RE: 3 enemy cve's hit near Aparri! - 10/14/2007 8:13:05 PM   
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Moved some night air attack Emily's in and a Ro sub is enroute to Bataan, but
enemy asw ac makes it quite futile.

With August in sight I start preparations for war against Soviet Union!
The Navy is ill prepared and can only muster 1 carrier, 2-3 battleships, 4 cruisers, 10 destroyers
and 5 subs. The Taiho will provide air cover with 81 Reppus.

The alternatives is to bombard enemy bases and - if this is decided; secure sea lines to Oka-Sakalin.
An invasion of this base will provide us with new oil resources close to the Home Island.

With only 1 George and 1 Jack unit left to upgrade, the Shinden program is almost completed.
Got 60+ ac in the pools and all units are being brought up to strength. Soon we will be able to
must 200+ Shindens in threatened sectors.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/28/45

Sub/ASW Attacks

Ro-44 isn't so lucky today!

ASW attack at 52,56

Japanese Ships
SS RO-44, hits 7

Allied Ships
AK Waco Victory
AK Kota Inten
AK Circe
AK Bullock
DE Tinsman
DE Eugene E. Elmore
DE Day
DE Chaffee
DE Rudderow
DE Douglas A. Munro
DE Ulvert M. Moore
DE Oliver Mitchell
DE Doyle C. Barnes
DE Lloyd E. Acree
DE Abercrombie
DE Ahrens
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ASW attack at 52,56

Japanese Ships - 90 flood and 75 sys....afraid this is it for her!
SS RO-44, hits 17, heavy damage

Allied Ships
AK Berea Victory
AK Bartlesville Victory
AK Cynthia Olson
LCI(M) LCI(M)-660
MSW Requisite
DMS Ellyson
APD Burke
APD Arthur L. Bristol
APD Kinzer
APD Raymond W. Herndon
APD Greene
DE Peiffer
DE Crowley
DE Connolly
DE Bright
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Bombardments

Naval bombardment of Bataan, at 42,51

Allied Ships
CLAA Flint
CL Adelaide
CA Shropshire
CA Alaska
CA St. Paul
BB Texas
BB New York
BB Richelieu, heavy damage
BB Missouri
BB Wisconsin
BB New Jersey

Japanese ground losses:
628 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
Vehicles lost 3
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Naval bombardment of Bataan, at 42,51

Allied Ships
CA Wichita
CA Tuscaloosa
CA Minneapolis
BB North Carolina, heavy damage
BB California
BB Maryland, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
858 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Runway hits 8
Port supply hits 6
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Naval bombardment of Bataan, at 42,51

Allied Ships
BB Iowa
BB Alabama
BB Massachusetts
BB Washington

Japanese ground losses:
1409 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 6
Port supply hits 4
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Air Combat

India

We continue to inflict havoc on enemy shipping in the area around Yanam-Ceylon.
The lack of a port has cost Andy a lot of losses. Trimcomalee is a size 6 AF and 9 port.
I will withdraw our air assets to Bombay/Karachi and protect what can be protected if and when
this base becomes operational.

Day Air attack on Madras , at 18,21

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 8
A-26B Invader x 13
PB4Y Liberator x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
L2D2 Tabby: 1 destroyed
Ki-57-II Topsy: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 13
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Day Air attack on Trimcomalee , at 15,25

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 57

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 99
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Day Air attack on TF, near Yanam at 22,21

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 8
D4Y Judy x 31
B7A Grace x 3
Ki-102a Randy x 8
Ki-67 Peggy x 3

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 1
F4U-1D Corsair x 11
P-38J Lightning x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 6 destroyed
D4Y Judy: 10 destroyed, 2 damaged
B7A Grace: 2 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 5 destroyed
Ki-67 Peggy: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed
P-38J Lightning: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Daly, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Leutze, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DM Ramsay, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF, near Yanam at 22,21

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 14
Ki-100 Tony x 5

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 1
F4U-1D Corsair x 11
P-38J Lightning x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed
Ki-100 Tony: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
APD Blessman
APD Manley
APD Register, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
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Day Air attack on TF at 16,27

Japanese aircraft
B6N Jill x 4
B7A Grace x 16
G4M2 Betty x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Panaman, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
APD Newman, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP Callaway, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF, near Trimcomalee at 15,25

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 10
G4M2 Betty x 3

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
G4M2 Betty: 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Michael C. Kerr
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Enemy carriers has a powerful CAP:

Day Air attack on TF at 16,28

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 5
Ki-67 Peggy x 3

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 24
F4U-1D Corsair x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-67 Peggy: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
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Day Air attack on TF at 20,22

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 2
D4Y Judy x 4
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 3
Ki-102a Randy x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
DD Irwin, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Ground Combat

Afraid we have shot our bolt at Trimcomalee! Only shattered remnants left of our troops.
40 tanks will arrive tomorrow, so I won't halt the air shuttle until the base falls.

Ground combat at Bataan

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 248605 troops, 2156 guns, 36 vehicles, Assault Value = 5207

Defending force 90642 troops, 343 guns, 311 vehicles, Assault Value = 1813

Japanese ground losses:
71 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Ground combat at Trimcomalee

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 22309 troops, 94 guns, 322 vehicles, Assault Value = 516

Defending force 16157 troops, 78 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 182

Allied max assault: 768 - adjusted assault: 243

Japanese max defense: 155 - adjusted defense: 65

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Japanese ground losses:
2586 casualties reported
Guns lost 34

Allied ground losses:
183 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Vehicles lost 3
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Ground combat at Naga

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 12875 troops, 113 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 277

Defending force 18830 troops, 81 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 244

Japanese ground losses:
135 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Trimcomalee

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4565 troops, 35 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 92

Defending force 22650 troops, 110 guns, 319 vehicles, Assault Value = 487
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RE: 3 enemy cve's hit near Aparri! - 10/15/2007 2:55:55 PM   
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The alternatives is to bombard enemy bases and - if this is decided; secure sea lines to Oka-Sakalin.
An invasion of this base will provide us with new oil resources close to the Home Island.


Do you really need the oil?
How are reserves of war materiel?
Can you show us a pic of your Indsustry screen please.

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Trimcomalee falls! - 10/15/2007 11:12:55 PM   
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There are two ways of looking at it Tallyho;

1. We know the game will end in 03-46 and that our HI reserves will most likely
last until then (may have to reduce production the last 2 months, but that's not important).

2. We don't know that the war will end - until the Americans are forced to the negotiation table.
With oil reserves running dry Japan has to secure new oil resources. Rumors have circulated about
a forthcoming Soviet invasion of Manchukuo and preparations have been made to perform a pre-emptive strike
to reduce their offensive capabilities.

I have 1 full division 60 miles SW of Oka-Sakalin. They can march into the base within a week.
LBA attacks supported by paras and naval support will make sure the base falls. If Andy sails a US force past
Paramushiro Jima, a strong LBA force will be waiting.

So what do you think?

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/29/45

The usual bombardments against Bataan - no reason to include them each day!
Less than 200 casualties today.

Air Combat

Today Andy sent his 4Es to a dozen bases in and around the Philippines!

Day Air attack on Hong Kong , at 43,42

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 2
B-24J Liberator x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 1
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Day Air attack on Jesselton , at 35,56

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1
B-24J Liberator x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 4
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Day Air attack on Kuching , at 28,56

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 13

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 2
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Day Air attack on Miri , at 31,57

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 14

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 14
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Day Air attack on Brunei , at 32,57

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 2
B-24J Liberator x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-51 Sonia: 1 destroyed

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 24
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Day Air attack on Tarakan , at 33,61

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 6

Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 2
B-24J Liberator x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-N Rufe: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 26
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Day Air attack on Davao , at 41,61

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 8
F-5A Lightning x 1
B-24J Liberator x 28

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 7
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Day Air attack on Dadjangas , at 41,62

Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1
B-29 Superfortress x 21

No Allied losses

Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 36
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Day Air attack on Tacloban , at 44,58

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 2
B-24J Liberator x 40

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y Judy: 2 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported

Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 22
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Day Air attack on Ormoc , at 43,57

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 3
F-5A Lightning x 1
B-29 Superfortress x 7

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 5
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Day Air attack on Lingayen , at 44,50

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIC x 9
F-5A Lightning x 1
B-29 Superfortress x 28

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
59 casualties reported

Airbase hits 8
Runway hits 67
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Day Air attack on Batan Island , at 47,47

Allied aircraft
Mosquito B.XXVI x 15
B-29 Superfortress x 42

Allied aircraft losses
Mosquito B.XXVI: 1 damaged
B-29 Superfortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
52 casualties reported

Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 26
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Day Air attack on Cebu Island , at 42,58

Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 2
B-24J Liberator x 42

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 16
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Day Air attack on Puerto Princesa , at 38,55

Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 2
PB4Y Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 28

No Allied losses

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 16
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Day Air attack on Zamboanga , at 39,59

Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 1
B-29 Superfortress x 12

No Allied losses

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8
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Day Air attack on Jolo , at 38,59

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 3
F-5A Lightning x 1
B-24J Liberator x 41

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 13
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Bonins

Another convoy - east bound this time - enters the Bonins area.
A wing of Helldivers arrives only to get shot to pieces

Day Air attack on Iwo Jima , at 63,53

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 20
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 27
Ki-100 Tony x 51

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 23

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 18 destroyed

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 59,56

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 2
B7A Grace x 5

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 40
F4U-1D Corsair x 12
Corsair IV x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 2 destroyed
B7A Grace: 5 destroyed

Allied Ships
DE Wyman
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India

We continue to pound enemy ships into Davy Jones locker!

Day Air attack on TF, near Trimcomalee at 15,25

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 7
P1Y Frances x 4
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 2

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y Judy: 1 damaged
P1Y Frances: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Dashing Wave, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Michael C. Kerr, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF, near Yanam at 22,21

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 3
D4Y Judy x 5
B7A Grace x 2
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 9
Ki-102a Randy x 4
Ki-67 Peggy x 3

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 2
F4U-1D Corsair x 8
P-38J Lightning x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 3 destroyed
D4Y Judy: 2 destroyed
B7A Grace: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 4 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 2 destroyed
Ki-67 Peggy: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
DMS Chandler, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF, near Trimcomalee at 15,25

Japanese aircraft
J7W Shinden x 7
B7A Grace x 24
G4M2 Betty x 13
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 3
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 11

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
J7W Shinden: 2 destroyed
B7A Grace: 4 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-84-Ic Frank: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied Ships
TK W. S. Rheem, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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Ground Combat

We can't hold the well supplied enemy for long, but they take heavy casualties!

Ground combat at Bataan

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 286594 troops, 2216 guns, 1340 vehicles, Assault Value = 5367

Defending force 90446 troops, 338 guns, 309 vehicles, Assault Value = 1804

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 6

Allied max assault: 9670 - adjusted assault: 3345

Japanese max defense: 1151 - adjusted defense: 1415

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 6)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 6

Japanese ground losses:
2899 casualties reported
Guns lost 61
Vehicles lost 32

Allied ground losses:
4101 casualties reported
Guns lost 220
Vehicles lost 86
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We had nothing left to fight with; 90% of all units were damaged.
After a brilliant fight Trimcomalee finally falls. It cost Andy a very high price!

Ground combat at Trimcomalee

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 22451 troops, 86 guns, 330 vehicles, Assault Value = 508

Defending force 16101 troops, 56 guns, 67 vehicles, Assault Value = 193

Allied max assault: 758 - adjusted assault: 340

Japanese max defense: 159 - adjusted defense: 71

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Trimcomalee base !!!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
2026 casualties reported
Guns lost 23
Vehicles lost 63

Allied ground losses:
179 casualties reported
Guns lost 11
Vehicles lost 7
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Industrial State: End July 1945




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RE: Trimcomalee falls! - 10/15/2007 11:17:50 PM   
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Aircraft pools are pretty slim, but we produce enough to replace most losses in short time.
The pool of Franks is useful and we now make more Reppus and Shindens than ever. This will change when
Harbin becomes infested by Reds though.

And will also drop 2 nukes soon. All this put together will reduce Shinden output by 35-40% I'm afraid.
300 pr month will be sufficient though, especially if there are 4-500 in the pools before this happens.

Surprise Strike - for whom?





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RE: Trimcomalee falls! - 10/16/2007 3:37:12 PM   
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As it seems the Allied won't be suing for peace anytime soon things seem pretty healthy except for oil.
I presume that to optimize your HI Points use, naval shipyards and vehicle factorys have ceased production?
The only anomaly that catches my eye is the imbalance in Mitsubishi and Nakajima engine production.

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RE: Trimcomalee falls! - 10/17/2007 12:18:33 AM   
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Yes, I've halted all naval shipyards and vehicle factories - only repair yards are running.
The 'anomaly' is caused by the switch of front line fighter from the A6M5 Zeke to Shindens and Reppus.
The former required Nakajima's - the latter Mitsubishis. This turned engine requirements completely upside down
I have halted and reduced production of many ac, so the actual needs are a bit lower than the ones on the screens.

So this is something you should pay attention for if you ever play a late war game!
Engine production must be shifted before the 3rd generation fighters goes into mass production.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/30/45

Air Combat

Again, dozens of attacks accross the PIs and Borneo area.
Only one attack meets resistance from the air:

Day Air attack on Tarakan , at 33,61

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 5
Ki-102a Randy x 17

Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 2
B-24J Liberator x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-N Rufe: 1 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
38 casualties reported

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 20
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India

Finishing some cripples before enemy CAP comes in place over Trim.

Day Air attack on TF, near Trimcomalee at 15,25

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 7
B7A Grace x 12
G4M2 Betty x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Michael C. Kerr, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Dashing Wave, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF, near Trimcomalee at 15,25

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 20
G4M2 Betty x 10
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
TK W. S. Rheem, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Bonins

Throwing in untrained kamis and 'expendables' against the enemy convoy passing south of the Bonins.
Had hoped to get a coordinated strike, instead they went in piecemeal and got shot up.
The damaged enemy ships should fall behind and be destroyed though.

Day Air attack on TF at 63,56

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zeke x 23
A7M2 Reppu x 31
A6M5c Zeke x 10
B5N Kate x 8
G4M2 Betty x 16
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 5
Ki-67 Peggy x 3

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 40
F4U-1D Corsair x 14
Corsair IV x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zeke: 23 destroyed - kamis
A7M2 Reppu: 31 destroyed - mostly kamikaze reppus
A6M5c Zeke: 10 destroyed - kamis
B5N Kate: 8 destroyed - kamis
G4M2 Betty: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 5 destroyed - escorts
Ki-67 Peggy: 3 destroyed - kamis

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 2 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
AK William A. Henry
AK Mapele
AK Elwood Haynes
AK John B. Kendrick, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire
AK Frank H. Evers
AP President Fillmore
AK Joshua Slocum, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire
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Day Air attack on TF at 63,56

Japanese aircraft - conventional bombers went in without escorts
D4Y Judy x 36

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 19
F4U-1D Corsair x 7
Corsair IV x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y Judy: 15 destroyed
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Day Air attack on TF at 63,56

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 36 - mix of escorts and kamis
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 24 - escorts
Ki-67 Peggy x 3 - kamis

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 40
F4U-1D Corsair x 14
Corsair IV x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 32 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 22 destroyed
Ki-67 Peggy: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 5 destroyed, 5 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Hornet
CV Lexington
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Day Air attack on TF at 63,56

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zeke x 3 - kamis
A7M2 Reppu x 3 - kamis
G4M2 Betty x 15 - conventional bombers

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 30
F4U-1D Corsair x 19
Corsair IV x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zeke: 3 destroyed
A7M2 Reppu: 3 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 3 destroyed

Allied Ships
AK Walter Christiansen
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Day Air attack on TF at 63,56

Japanese aircraft - conventional bombers are back for another round without escorts...
D4Y Judy x 17

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 28
F4U-1D Corsair x 15
Corsair IV x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y Judy: 4 destroyed
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Day Air attack on TF at 63,56

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 4 - kamis
Ki-67 Peggy x 3 - kamis

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 30
F4U-1D Corsair x 19
Corsair IV x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 3 destroyed
Ki-67 Peggy: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
AK Joshua Slocum, on fire
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Ground Combat

More casualties for the Allied troops. Instead of attacking deliberately every 2-3 days
Andy is smashing in everything every day! His troops must hate him.

Ground combat at Bataan

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 276933 troops, 1973 guns, 1270 vehicles, Assault Value = 4550

Defending force 85967 troops, 276 guns, 272 vehicles, Assault Value = 1636

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4

Allied max assault: 6812 - adjusted assault: 2058

Japanese max defense: 1082 - adjusted defense: 893

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 4

Japanese ground losses:
2998 casualties reported
Guns lost 38
Vehicles lost 13

Allied ground losses:
4665 casualties reported
Guns lost 135
Vehicles lost 50
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Hopefully Andy will spend weeks reducing our remnants in Trim and wreck his troops completely!

Ground combat at Trimcomalee

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 22459 troops, 79 guns, 335 vehicles, Assault Value = 497

Defending force 12541 troops, 19 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 103

Allied max assault: 772 - adjusted assault: 177

Japanese max defense: 80 - adjusted defense: 68

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
1579 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Allied ground losses:
202 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 1
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RE: Trimcomalee falls! - 10/17/2007 9:06:27 PM   
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The soviet air force consists of about 1200 fighters, most of them fighter/bombers with range 3. Also they field some 300 dive bombers and 240 level bombers. And there are also some recon airplanes.
The (from my experience) best fighter La-7 makes only a very small fraction of the whole fighter force. Most is the P-63A, but this is still a very tough opponent.

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RE: Trimcomalee falls! - 10/18/2007 12:04:56 AM   
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Thanx Aterpa! After considerable consideration I decided against a pre-emptive strike on the Soviet Unit.
In real life Japan would a) not want a war against Soviets b) not know that the Soviets were planning to attack

So let's wait and see what Andy does and counter him as good as we can.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 07/31/45

Air Combat

Uber boring turn as ALL Jap LBA units in India and Bonins are closed due to weather both AM and PM.
Was hoping to give the enemy convoy a knack - but again weather fouled all efforts.

Lots of enemy LBA attacks in Luzon.

In India I withdraw units to Karachi and Bombay for refit while several bomber units go back
to Home Islands to participate in forthcoming campaigns there.
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Ground Combat

We prolonged the fighting in Bataan by holding on for another turn, causing even more
casualties.

Ground combat at Bataan

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 268646 troops, 1782 guns, 1215 vehicles, Assault Value = 3873

Defending force 81943 troops, 211 guns, 250 vehicles, Assault Value = 1489

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Allied max assault: 5092 - adjusted assault: 2408

Japanese max defense: 951 - adjusted defense: 581

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Japanese ground losses:
1025 casualties reported
Guns lost 20
Vehicles lost 11

Allied ground losses:
2418 casualties reported
Guns lost 81
Vehicles lost 32
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Ground combat at Trimcomalee

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 22801 troops, 78 guns, 348 vehicles, Assault Value = 503

Defending force 10993 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 87

Allied max assault: 804 - adjusted assault: 284

Japanese max defense: 72 - adjusted defense: 77

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
406 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
288 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
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RE: Trimcomalee falls! - 10/18/2007 1:39:42 AM   
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Here we go!!! Been following this thread for years and it is simply outstanding!

Looking forward to the next few weeks of turns. Good luck!

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Shindens vs Yak-3 and Red Army bombers! - 10/18/2007 10:13:04 PM   
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Nice to hear from old readers GordonZ

Indeed; the Red storm broke from Vladivostok and hundreds of light LBA attacked Mutanchiang!
104 fighters and 250 medium bombers met a CAP of 28 Shindens and a dozen Reppus (rookies).
For 9 Reppus and 4 Shindens we shot down 29 fighters and 11 bombers.

All AF damage is already repaired and another 16 Shindens moved in to bolster the defenses.
If this is the best the Reds can throw at us from distance, we have little to fear.

Let Andy batter his Red Hammer against our steel shield!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/01/45

Sub/ASW Attacks

Tried to intercept enemy damaged carrier Yorktown with the I-402.
She took some hits, but mostly flood damage. Should be ok.

ASW attack at 68,58

Japanese Ships
SS I-402, hits 7, on fire

Allied Ships
AP Empress of Asia
AK Greenville Victory
AK Wallace Farrington
AK Josiah Tattnell
AK John Hope
AK Walter Luckenbach
DE Hodges
DE Wyman
DE Wileman
DE Whitman
DD Knapp
DD Kimberly
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Air Combat

Manchukuo

Day Air attack on Mutanchiang , at 65,30

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 12
J7W Shinden x 28

Allied aircraft
Yak-3 x 89
P-63A x 9
Pe-2 x 118
Tu-2S x 138
Pe-2R x 5
Yak-9UF x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 9 destroyed
J7W Shinden: 4 destroyed, 5 damaged
C6N Myrt: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Yak-3: 27 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-63A: 2 destroyed
Pe-2: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged
Tu-2S: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
58 casualties reported

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 84
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Day Air attack on Hailar , at 64,22

Allied aircraft
P-63A x 43
IL-2 Shturmovik x 38
Tu-2S x 74
Pe-2R x 3

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 22
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Luzon

Looks like Batan Island may be next on the list!

Day Air attack on Batan Island , at 47,47

Allied aircraft
Mosquito B.XXVI x 15
P-47D Thunderbolt x 10
B-29 Superfortress x 54

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
42 casualties reported

Airbase hits 7
Runway hits 53
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Day Air attack on Batan Island , at 47,47

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIC x 11
Mosquito PR.IX x 6
P-40N Warhawk x 13
P-38J Lightning x 12
F-5A Lightning x 5
F-5C Lightning x 6
B-29 Superfortress x 218

Japanese aircraft losses
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
56 casualties reported

Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 369
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Day Air attack on Batan Island , at 47,47

Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 9
P-51D Mustang x 23
B-29 Superfortress x 101

Allied aircraft losses
F-5C Lightning: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Port hits 6
Port supply hits 18
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Bonins

The damaged stragglers are destroyed.

Day Air attack on TF at 67,54

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 11
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 30
Ki-100 Tony x 15
Ki-67 Peggy x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67 Peggy: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
AK John B. Kendrick, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF at 67,54

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 13
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 4
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 12
Ki-100 Tony x 7
Ki-67 Peggy x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67 Peggy: 3 destroyed

Allied Ships
AK Joshua Slocum, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
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Ground Combat

Bataan finally falls - but Allied troops take 7500 casualties on Luzon only today!

Ground combat at Bataan

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 264261 troops, 1697 guns, 1186 vehicles, Assault Value = 3503

Defending force 79375 troops, 185 guns, 234 vehicles, Assault Value = 1402

Allied max assault: 4448 - adjusted assault: 2207

Japanese max defense: 937 - adjusted defense: 329

Allied assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Bataan base !!!

Japanese ground losses:
3130 casualties reported
Guns lost 25
Vehicles lost 23

Allied ground losses:
4004 casualties reported
Guns lost 31
Vehicles lost 30
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Lingayen is still putting up a sterling defense!

Ground combat at Lingayen

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 137205 troops, 1420 guns, 425 vehicles, Assault Value = 3125

Defending force 52708 troops, 332 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1000

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 6

Allied max assault: 5954 - adjusted assault: 3845

Japanese max defense: 905 - adjusted defense: 1739

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 6)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 5

Japanese ground losses:
1321 casualties reported
Guns lost 18

Allied ground losses:
3503 casualties reported
Guns lost 139
Vehicles lost 17
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Ground combat at Trimcomalee

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 22826 troops, 70 guns, 353 vehicles, Assault Value = 498

Defending force 10297 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 87

Allied max assault: 776 - adjusted assault: 236

Japanese max defense: 72 - adjusted defense: 29

Allied assault odds: 8 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
1162 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
184 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
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Red Air Force hits a brick wall!

I hope Manchukuo can provide a wealth of experience for our aviators and bring us lots
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RE: Shindens vs Yak-3 and Red Army bombers! - 10/18/2007 10:16:57 PM   
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NB! Notice the op loss of 24 Corsairs.

These were casualties when the escort carrier Munda finally sank near Luzon!

Banzaai!

USS MUNDA was the last ship in the CASABLANCA - class of Escort Carriers.

General Characteristics: Awarded: 1942
Keel laid: March 29, 1944
Launched: May 27, 1944, 1944
Commissioned: July 8, 1944
Decommissioned: September 13, 1946
Builder: Kaiser Shipbuilding Co., Vancouver, Wash.
Propulsion system: four boilers
Propellers: two
Length: 512.5 feet (156.2 meters)
Flight Deck Width: 108 feet (32.9 meters)
Beam: 65 feet (19.9 meters)
Draft: 22.6 feet (6.9 meters)
Displacement: approx. 10,400 tons full load
Speed: 19 knots
Catapults: one
Aircraft: 28 planes
Armament: one 5-inch L/38 gun, 16 40mm guns, 20 20mm guns
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Red Army launche offensives - 10/19/2007 1:28:09 AM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/02/45

Sub/ASW Attacks

Last attempt at enemy convoys end in another sunk sub....

ASW attack at 71,58

Japanese Ships
SS I-184, hits 29, on fire, heavy damage *sinks*

Allied Ships
AK Wayne MacVeagh
AK Liloa
DE Hodges
DE Wyman
DE Wileman
DE Whitman
DD Knapp
DD Kimberly
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Air Combat

No air activity in Manchukuo!
Trimcomalee launches its first small strike against Colombo.

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Ground Combat

First Red Army assault on the outpost of Heiho! A tiny Cavalry unit withstands the
enemy's might.

Ground combat at Heiho

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 68462 troops, 829 guns, 30 vehicles, Assault Value = 1074

Defending force 1641 troops, 13 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 35

Allied max assault: 1410 - adjusted assault: 629

Japanese max defense: 38 - adjusted defense: 73

Allied assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 9)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Japanese ground losses:
572 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Allied ground losses:
74 casualties reported
Guns lost 14
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San Marcelino is overrun in Luzon!

Ground combat at San Marcelino

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 42667 troops, 316 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 768

Defending force 4942 troops, 23 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 104

Allied max assault: 1478 - adjusted assault: 1188

Japanese max defense: 52 - adjusted defense: 13

Allied assault odds: 91 to 1 (fort level 9)

Allied forces CAPTURE San Marcelino base !!!

Japanese ground losses:
310 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Allied ground losses:
108 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
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Lingayen is resisting bravely!

Ground combat at Lingayen

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 137129 troops, 1304 guns, 410 vehicles, Assault Value = 2798

Defending force 50596 troops, 285 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 952

Allied max assault: 4512 - adjusted assault: 2683

Japanese max defense: 793 - adjusted defense: 1187

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 5)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3

Japanese ground losses:
814 casualties reported
Guns lost 14

Allied ground losses:
1446 casualties reported
Guns lost 79
Vehicles lost 16
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Ground combat at Bataan

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6575 troops, 195 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3140

Defending force 74716 troops, 122 guns, 132 vehicles, Assault Value = 1226

Japanese ground losses:
283 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Trimcomalee

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 23085 troops, 70 guns, 360 vehicles, Assault Value = 502

Defending force 9105 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 70

Allied max assault: 800 - adjusted assault: 169

Japanese max defense: 51 - adjusted defense: 34

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
517 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Manchukuo Operational Theater






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RE: Red Army launche offensives - 10/19/2007 12:39:56 PM   
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He who defends everything defends nothing.

The danger of "Cannae" maneuver is that you could get yourself "Tannenberged".



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RE: Red Army launche offensives - 10/19/2007 5:27:24 PM   
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No fancy manouvering here. Just 4 strong corners with a central reserve.
Already given up half of Manchukuo to enable our troops to defend the key areas.
If Harbin falls we may as well withdraw to the line Port Arthur - Hungnam!

As of now it is Andy that should consider that he who attacks everything doesn't win anything


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RE: Red Army launche offensives - 10/19/2007 5:37:21 PM   
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If only comparing AV, and suppose most his divisions and brigades upgraded, then your situation is hopeless (considing his armor superiority and full strenght of combat engineer). But perhaps some tricks and ruses could help? I watched scot's games, and think he is just that kind that could easily be "maneuvered"....

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RE: Red Army launche offensives - 10/19/2007 5:45:32 PM   
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Questions that needs to be answered;

1. How high assault values is needed to defeat 2000 AP in mountainous terrain with 9 forts while the attacker is under constant air bombardments?
2. Does Andy have this kinda of firepower already - have his divisions upgraded to corps size by now?
3. Were will his main strike be launched and how strong is it?

But rest assured, Imperial HQ is considering a wealth of cunning plans to bring the war to Moscow



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RE: Red Army launche offensives - 10/19/2007 5:59:47 PM   
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I don't know the stock map well (I only play CHS with AB's map) but it looks like the Russians have almost a clear run along the line from Heiho - Tsitsihar and to Harbin (possibly passing over the river round the rear.  Am I seeing it right or missing s'thing?

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RE: Red Army launche offensives - 10/19/2007 6:34:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

Questions that needs to be answered;

1. How high assault values is needed to defeat 2000 AP in mountainous terrain with 9 forts while the attacker is under constant air bombardments?




The basic (unmodified) assault value does not tell much, especially in the later stages of the game. Late-war Allied squads and vehicles - including Soviets - tend to have very high firepower which can lead to very high modified assault value (this already happened in your game at Luzon and in Indochina). If he employs many units and gets enough supplies, air bombardments will not help that much. If the modifier for armored vehicles works in mountainous terrain, an unmodified av of 2000 may not be enough and the Soviets should have enough combat engineers to reduce the forts anyway.

quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

2. Does Andy have this kinda of firepower already - have his divisions upgraded to corps size by now?



If the upgrade function does work as intended, all divisions that are scheduled to upgrade in the database/code should have upgraded by now. If Andy manages to properly employ his Mechanized Corps and the Tank Corps, he should be able to crush any resistance regardless of air superiority.

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RE: Red Army launche offensives - 10/19/2007 8:16:06 PM   
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Quatch! Imperial Intelligence officers have reported that the Red Army is totally worn out after fighting the Nazis,
that the WitP ground combat model is skewed and that the Allied CinC has been drinking too much scotch lately!

As long as one of these statements hold water, we should be fine


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RE: Red Army launche offensives - 10/19/2007 8:46:38 PM   
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Yakface; your observation is correct.
The Red Army will be allowed to advance to Harbin unopposed.

If you study the map you will see that defending any of the cities north and north east of Harbin will
allow Andy to easily cut them both of and destroy their garrisons. There are 3 approaches here and defending them would
mean using all our troops in Harbin as well as most of our reserves. This would make us top heavy and vulnerable.

If any of the garrison cities on each flank of Harbin falls, it is possible that we have to abandon Harbin and fall back to the Korean
Peninsula. Andy will not move into China proper according to our agreements. Nevertheless I have sent an Army to Peking, ca 3000 AP.

The situation in Manchukuo is tense but with so little previous experience almost anything is possible.
Let's find some weak spots and put spanners in the Red Tractor Works


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RE: Red Army launche offensives - 10/20/2007 1:02:39 AM   
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Normally to say, to bring down a level 9 fort with 2000 AV he need at least 15000 BESIDES overwhelming air superiority, but his armor strengh... The problem is Jap simply don't have anything that could deal with T-34 effectively.

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RE: Red Army launche offensives - 10/20/2007 1:05:47 AM   
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I suppose your naval landing forces and parachute regiments not all be destroyed? Perhaps send some guys into his LOC after the mass passed the border?

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RE: Red Army launche offensives - 10/22/2007 12:11:18 AM   
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Let's see what happens when Andy assaults our heavily defended bases...afraid it will be tough going, but
maybe Andy's huge Armies will require long periods of R&R if they take heavy casualties?

Yes, we got SNLF units left and there are plenty of targets for them. Just have to pick the right time and place
Massive guerrilla warfare is another option.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/03/45

Air combat

Air strikes out of Luzon is so plentiful that I almost fall asleep clicking my way
past them...miss the good ole days of 42!

Manchukuo

Some Red AF attacks on undefended outposts.

Day Air attack on Sunwu , at 68,23

Allied aircraft
Yak-3 x 7
IL-2 Shturmovik x 55
Pe-2R x 2
Yak-9UF x 2

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 19
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Philippine Sea

Returned some bombers to disrupt enemy shippin and force Andy to divert some bombers.

Day Air attack on TF at 37,61

Japanese aircraft
Ki-102a Randy x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK John Page

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,61

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged

Allied Ships
DD John Rodgers
AK Adoniram Judson
AK John Page, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Peter Cooper Hewitt, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Rowan, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,61

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
AK United Victory
AK Mary E. Kinney, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Cape George, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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Near Sea of Japan

Another _crazy_ move by Andy. He's sending transports towards Vladivostok *no comments*
Utter suicide tactic's !! Noticed them yesterday and moved some bombers to deal with them.
Also got a few surface groups that will take care of the survivors.

Day Air attack on TF at 72,34

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 12
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 11
Ki-48 Lily x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK China Victory, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF at 72,34

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 13
Ki-102a Randy x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied Ships
TK S.C.T. Todd, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF at 72,35

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 5 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Philip Doddridge, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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Ground Combat

Today I finally booted some Chinese troops that Dave marched into Mancukuo ages ago.
The base turned Soviet and I couldn't attack it... Also kicked another few visitors out
of Tabun-Nur.

Ground combat at Tabun-Nur

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 51250 troops, 584 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 1023

Defending force 3113 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 97

Japanese max assault: 1278 - adjusted assault: 1514

Allied max defense: 65 - adjusted defense: 52

Japanese assault odds: 29 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
159 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

Allied ground losses:
122 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
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Ground combat at Jehol

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 16156 troops, 208 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 330

Defending force 2186 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 87

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 6

Japanese max assault: 345 - adjusted assault: 306

Allied max defense: 80 - adjusted defense: 3

Japanese assault odds: 102 to 1 (fort level 6)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Jehol base !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
82 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Allied ground losses:
3321 casualties reported
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A few outposts fall to the Red Army:

Ground combat at Hailar

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 93961 troops, 969 guns, 232 vehicles, Assault Value = 2334

Defending force 1617 troops, 13 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 34

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 7

Allied max assault: 4992 - adjusted assault: 7196 (these adjusted assault values are scaring)

Japanese max defense: 37 - adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 7196 to 1 (fort level 7)

Allied forces CAPTURE Hailar base !!!

Japanese ground losses:
649 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
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Ground combat at Heiho

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 111087 troops, 1277 guns, 138 vehicles, Assault Value = 2200

Defending force 735 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8

Allied max assault: 3072 - adjusted assault: 1255

Japanese max defense: 5 - adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 1255 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Heiho base !!!

Japanese ground losses:
212 casualties reported

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
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Ground combat at Mishan

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 57171 troops, 755 guns, 109 vehicles, Assault Value = 1173

Defending force 1650 troops, 14 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 35

Allied max assault: 2456 - adjusted assault: 434

Japanese max defense: 37 - adjusted defense: 15

Allied assault odds: 28 to 1 (fort level 9)

Allied forces CAPTURE Mishan base !!!

Japanese ground losses:
257 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

Allied ground losses:
291 casualties reported
Guns lost 11
Vehicles lost 5

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
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Ground combat at Bataan

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6660 troops, 198 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2702

Defending force 75008 troops, 137 guns, 117 vehicles, Assault Value = 1255

Japanese ground losses:
151 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Trimcomalee

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 23437 troops, 75 guns, 364 vehicles, Assault Value = 516

Defending force 7816 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 69

Allied max assault: 858 - adjusted assault: 297

Japanese max defense: 47 - adjusted defense: 53

Allied assault odds: 5 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
73 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
120 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1
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Ground combat at 45,50

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 3204 troops, 78 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 22

Defending force 660 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied max assault: 40 - adjusted assault: 70

Japanese max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 70 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
999 casualties reported
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Manchukuo on Fire





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RE: Red Army launche offensives - 10/22/2007 1:08:13 AM   
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Agreed PzB crazy move by Andy using AK's near Japan

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