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Very slow screen drawing - 10/31/2007 7:57:52 PM

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Hi I just bought AT and is really looking forward to play it. But the screen redraws very slowly. The Matrix logo in the start, pop up and start changing colours very slowly, then the credits pops up one line at a time.
The same goes in game, where the maps scrolls very slow and I can nearly see every horizontal line drawing. I'm running the 1.01 beta patch and running in my LCD screens native resolution of 1680x1050.

I've attached my dxdiag file.

And setting the resolution to 1024x768 helps a little. There is no difference in 1280x1024.

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 10/31/2007 8:19:30 PM

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Cougar,

Thanks - looking at your hardware, I have no idea what might cause that. It should be running like a champ as it will run fine on much slower systems than yours. Hopefully Vic will have some idea.

Have you tried turning off all other programs to see if anything could be interfering?

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 10/31/2007 8:27:14 PM

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@cougar,

you have a great system. it should run like a charm. is there anything special with your PC? anything what other people dont do with their pc's?

One thing you might try is playing it without the patch... it might be there is some unintended effect in it, but i dont think so.

Please give any more info about your system which is special.

kind regards,
vic

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 10/31/2007 8:52:45 PM

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No, I really can't think of anything special about it. I use it primarly for playing games. I will try two things 1)un-install and re-install w/o patch and 2)trying the lastest non beta nvidia driver (only using it because of the Crysis demo).

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 10/31/2007 8:57:04 PM

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Ok version 1.0 didn't change a thing. Will try 1.0 with nvidia driver 163.71 and then 1.01 beta.

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 10/31/2007 9:26:41 PM

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Hmmm it seems that Nvidia has broken something in their beta drivers. Re-installing the 163.71 drivers seemed to solve the problem.

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 11/1/2007 12:12:31 PM

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yeah!

i hate to look at problems i dont know how to solve.

happy playing. thanks for the report.

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 11/1/2007 10:44:19 PM

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Thanx Vic, I really enjoy your game!

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 12/30/2007 5:06:51 PM

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Oh bugger, it seems that the slow redraw is back with the new Nvidia 169.21 WHQL drivers. Is anybody seeing this?

You can see my DxDiag here or in my first post in this thread.

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 5/1/2008 12:16:01 AM

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Yep. I have the same problem. I started a new thread on this a little while ago and just now noticed your thread.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1771286

nVidia drivers v. 169.21 do the same thing here. I backed the drivers to the ones that shipped with this machine (v. 97.xx or so, wayyyy old) and the problem went away. Bringing down hardware acceleration in the troubleshooting tab in Windows also makes the slow redraw go away, but I'm not going to run my computer with crippled driver settings for one game.

Anyone else with this issue?

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 5/1/2008 3:24:15 AM

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Hi McGlu,

again sorry for your troubles.

at least the turning of hardware acceleration solves the issue. And also puts me at a bit of a loss. How can hardware acceleration actualy cause lower draw rate then software rendering? it should be impossible.

well... apparently it isnt. for your system and drivers that is.

But you would help me alot by checking if the original v1.00-v1.02 had the same effect and if not.. if v1.10 caused it?

It will be some work for you to do a new install without patches, but it will allow me to get some valuable info.

It might be some patch changes aimed for increasing speed actually caused your system to "balk".

If you have the time to try how version upto v1.02 works on your system with hardware accel on let me know.

kind regards,
Vic

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 5/1/2008 3:40:23 AM

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Not a problem, Vic. It's actually my computer at work, so I can check tomorrow. I'll let you know if it makes any difference.

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 5/1/2008 8:30:46 PM

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Ok, I checked v1.00 and v1.02 and the problem is still there. Which is puzzling, because I'm pretty sure this worked on this machine in the past. Not sure what the problem might be. I've uninstalled and reintstalled the video drivers, reinstalled DirectX, reinstalled AT, etc.

It must just be something with this particular version of the nVidia drivers. My Vista desktop has a 7950 and my laptop at home has an 8600 series card, but both with different versions of the drivers, and everything works great.

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 5/2/2008 6:14:58 PM

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I have just re-installed my pc and the redraw is very slow as before the re-installation. Running the 169.21 drivers.

Here is my most recent dxdiag file: DxDiag.txt

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 5/2/2008 7:36:32 PM

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Hi Cougar,

Disabling hardware accel should remove the problem.

My hunch is that the NVidia 8800 GTS card is the problem and it is somehow thinking it is trying to accel my graphics while it is actually doing the opposite.

My hunch is this card will leave AT alone under Vista.

I am thinking off i can think of something else.

kind regards,
vic

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 5/3/2008 10:19:07 AM

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Hi Vic, I will try some of the different settings in the Nvidia control panel since disabling hw acceleration isn't an option since a lot of other game need it

Cheers
Mark

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 5/13/2008 5:12:06 AM

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Just bought AT and am enjoying it very much. This thread caught my attention before I made my purchase as my rig uses the 169.21 drivers and I was afraid it might cause problems for me. FWIW I am running the 169.21 drivers with a GeForce 8500GT card\windows xp sp2\ direct x 9.0c with no redraw issues.

Not sure if this helps anyone (I'm a bit on the tech challenged side) but thought I'd throw it out there, just in case.

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 5/17/2008 2:12:44 PM

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Im getting the same issue.

The game run perfect on my 4 year old work laptop, but my gaming PC redraws REALLY slow, i formatted last night, installed XP, SP3, 169.21 Drivers, Sound drivers etc, and straight away it has horrible redraw. Any clues? It's driving me mad, i simply cannot get it working on my gaming PC!

Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp.080413-2111)
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6700 @ 2.66GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 3582MB RAM
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GTS
Driver Version: 6.14.0011.6921 (English)
Description: SB Audigy 2 ZS Audio
Driver Version: 5.12.0001.1196 (English)

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 5/17/2008 3:36:38 PM

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Hi nirvana,

Sorry to hear. I am very upset about this. It seems to me its Nvidia's fault.

What you could try is installing an older driver: 162.65
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_162.65.html

I think that might fix the issue.

If you do let me know if it helps.

kind regards,
Vic

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 6/5/2008 12:02:11 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vic

Hi nirvana,

Sorry to hear. I am very upset about this. It seems to me its Nvidia's fault.

What you could try is installing an older driver: 162.65
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_162.65.html

I think that might fix the issue.

If you do let me know if it helps.

kind regards,
Vic

I'm not sure how its done when the drivers get fixed for specific games (just take a look at the release notes following the driver). So Vic have you tried to contact Nvidia and talk to them about our specific problem?

Cheers
Mark

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 6/5/2008 7:45:43 PM

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No i didnt, i dont feel like they'll take a small guy like me serious. furthermore they require a whole registration and weeks of waiting before you can answer a question and there form is to hard to fill in. I'll see if i can get some better line to them through matrix games.

I know exactly what is going on though.

I found some Adobe products have the same issue:
http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.3c0649ef

What it is, is that GDI+ on XP is no longer supported with the newest drivers for the newest cards of nvidia.
I am quite sure it will work again on Vista since vista pipes the GDI+ commands through DirectX.
But still its evil to quit support like this.

kind regards,
vic

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 6/6/2008 5:52:52 AM

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I'm running an XP machine with an NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT (MSI NX8600GT) PCI Express/512MB ram and I'm not having any redraw problems. Driver version is 6.14.11.6921.

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 6/6/2008 12:24:56 PM

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I dunno if this would work for you but it has made AT work abit faster on my pc try the next time you run AT to open taskmanager right click the process that is AT go down to priority and select high and left click close task manager go back to AT that might make things redraw faster on screen i dunno its just an idea.

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 6/6/2008 1:00:24 PM

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@rome87,

concerning the 8800 nvidia card => switch off hardware acceleration. thats the optimal solution. software rendering is waaaay faster.

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 7/31/2008 9:35:26 PM

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No i didnt, i dont feel like they'll take a small guy like me serious. furthermore they require a whole registration and weeks of waiting before you can answer a question and there form is to hard to fill in. I'll see if i can get some better line to them through matrix games.

I know exactly what is going on though.

I found some Adobe products have the same issue:
http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.3c0649ef

What it is, is that GDI+ on XP is no longer supported with the newest drivers for the newest cards of nvidia.
I am quite sure it will work again on Vista since vista pipes the GDI+ commands through DirectX.
But still its evil to quit support like this.

kind regards,
vic

Ok guys, there could be some good news about this issue since some of the people on the Adobe forum has used some new beta drivers.

Here are the post:

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Victor Boruta - 6:53pm Jul 15, 08 PST (#71 of 75)

Problem is fixed in the newest NVidia BETA drivers 177.66. They are not available on the nvidia site (latest I could find is 177.41) so google it. Ignore the fact that they are "for the GTX200 series", the .inf contains way more device profiles than just the GTX 260 and 280. I guess NVidia just wants you to run out and buy a new video card even though the 8800 series is on AE's list of supported cards...

I'm using an 8800 GT on WinXP x32 SP3. Was ready to pay the "convenience fee" associated with buying from my local big name retail electronics store just to get whatever ATi card they're pushing so that I could meet my deadline. Good thing I took a chance on shady software instead! Been editing for about an hour so far and the UI is every bit as slick as it should be. Haven't tried Encore CS3 (supposedly has the same problem) because I don't have it installed, so I don't know if this is a hotfixed workaround for AE, or if NVidia actually fixed DirectDraw.

I'm not home at the moment so I can't test this before tomorrow after work

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RE: Very slow screen drawing - 8/1/2008 6:05:37 AM

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Yeeeeessssss it works. I have just installed the 177.66 beta driver and screen redrawing is back to normal!

Vic, I guess it helps to have the same problems as Adobe CS3