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How are supply requests computed ? - 11/1/2007 1:31:16 AM   
Herode_2


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Status: offline 		Gentlemen,

I'm afraid I need some help about these cryptic matters...

The manual says :
quote:

Example 2: Subformation Y has a basic supply of 200 points and can store 400 points. It has 350 points in stock and its Readiness is 90. It will thus request a full basic supply of 250 points. It then uses 200 points due to its needed Readiness recovery, then puts 50 points in stock. If unit Y had a Readiness of 45, it would have requested 300 points and used 350 points, draining its supply stock to 300 points.


Unfortunately, I do not understand anything about this. Because
quote:

The first 10 Readiness loss costs 50%, while the next 90 Readiness costs 100%.


200 + 50% (RD 90) = 300.
200 + 100%(RD 45) = 400.
So, why does subformation Y requests 250 points when it's readiness is 90 ??? And why 300 whith readiness 45 ?????
And what about the stocks ? Are they used only if the unit has no supply line ? If the unit has a supply setting < 100% ?
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RE: How are supply requests computed ? - 11/1/2007 1:53:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		tbh they also have me puzzled quite a bit and ive tried to make sense of those calculations but to no avail.

All i know is that gaining readiness takes supply. And regaining readiness takes up to 150% of a units base supply.
Where as simply maintaining readyness only takes 50% of a units base supply.

hmm think i have it now.

200 BS and 90 RD. So it need to recover 10 RD at a cost of 50% of of maintaining RD so 50% of 100 = 50;

200 BS and 45 RD needing to recover 55 RD first 10 at a cost of 50%.
100 + 50% = 150 "the 10 RD"
100 + 100% = 200 "the 20 RD"
150 + 200 = 350 used. but it can max request 300 since max supply is BS * 1.5

but do this mean that a point of RD isnt based on the total BS of a unit??? im totaly lost now
ahh wait you can max regain 30 points of RD pr turn. thats the missing pice.

ok

BS = basic supply
fRD = first 10 points of readiness
lRD = last 20 points of RD

fRD * ((BS/2)/10) * 1.5 + lRD * ((BS/2)/20) * 2 = total supply needed to regain full 30 RD.

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RE: How are supply requests computed ? - 11/1/2007 2:25:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nahh the above makes no sense either since you are paying those 50% BS supply twice just for maintaining readiness.

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RE: How are supply requests computed ? - 11/1/2007 2:35:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah this has also puzzled me a bit. An explenation from someone who knows would be nice.

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RE: How are supply requests computed ? - 11/1/2007 2:06:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Willburn

Yeah this has also puzzled me a bit. An explenation from someone who knows would be nice.

Agreed. At the moment I've got HQs with dozens of truck cartings around huge stocks just in case I run out of supply, because I cant be sure I can predict how much I'm going to need.

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RE: How are supply requests computed ? - 11/1/2007 2:36:34 PM   
seille

 

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I do it the following way:
Production overview shows for the top level HQ the supply asked for and the produced supply.
In case the sub HQ´s are attached to that top level and all the supply production goes direct to the
Top level HQ you can use this start for your needed supply. Together with the supply stored and the weather you
expect you can calculate your supply.
When i see 8000 supply produced and units asked for only 4900 i usually reduce the production depending on how much stored
in my HQ´s. Íf i have tons of supply i sometimes doesn´t produce any supply for one or two turns.

This is what i would do in your case Snoman.
An other good way is sending parts of the overproduction to the sub level HQ´s to get mobility back for
your HQ.
Other players use the supply prognosis from the statistics, but i always do it via production overview.


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RE: How are supply requests computed ? - 11/1/2007 2:56:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		What I'm doing now is having the bottom level HQs have a couple of turn worth of supply held in reserve (using the reserve setting) with the transport required to keep up with the advance. They request stores from a higher up HQ that doesn't move and has many turns woth of supply in reserve.
My problems are that because I dont know exactly how much supply formations are going to request I end up simply adding more reserve ans trucks to their HQs, which results in suboptimum efficiency.
Also, my HQs will sometimes request too much for some reason and go over the reserve setting of supply in stock, which means I need to allocate extra transport to cover this contigency. Again, another small loss of efficency.

Yeah I'm that guy on a raceboat team that drills holes in everything to shed every last gram and gain half a second on the time. OK so thats a bad example, but I will spend heaps of effort getting things just right even if it means only a slight increase in performance.

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RE: How are supply requests computed ? - 11/1/2007 4:05:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		rdn 90 means the unit will want to consume 100% BS. it will thus request 200. if its supply store is not full it will ask up to 300 to fill up the supply store.

rdn 45 means the unit will need 150% BS. It will request the max 300 supply. (the 350 stated in the manual does not seem to be right)

rdn 0 means the unit will need 200% BS. It will want to ask 400 supply, but it will only ask 300 supply because thats max request. if it has supply store it will consume a 100 from it.

hope this clears it up.


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RE: How are supply requests computed ? - 11/1/2007 4:23:23 PM   
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Unit at 100% RD - need 50% BS

Unit at 90-99% RD - need 100% BS

Unit at 1-89 % RD - need 150% BS

Unit at 0% RD - need 200% BS ( 150% from request and 50% from storage)

and beside the supply needed for regain readiness , the unit will also request additional supply to fill up the storage subject to a maximum of 150%(300SP)






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RE: How are supply requests computed ? - 11/1/2007 4:44:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		how does the supply numbers in the corner affect this0 5 50 75 100 ?

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RE: How are supply requests computed ? - 11/1/2007 5:03:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: freeboy

how does the supply numbers in the corner affect this0 5 50 75 100 ?


The unit in question will modify its supply request. So if it would like to request 200 supply and you set supply to 50% then it will only request a 100 supply.

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RE: How are supply requests computed ? - 11/1/2007 5:04:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: zhu_kov

so

Unit at 100% RD - need 50% BS

Unit at 90-99% RD - need 100% BS

Unit at 1-89 % RD - need 150% BS

Unit at 0% RD - need 200% BS ( 150% from request and 50% from storage)

and beside the supply needed for regain readiness , the unit will also request additional supply to fill up the storage subject to a maximum of 150%(300SP)




No.

Unit at 100% RD - need 50% BS

Unit at 90-99% RD - need 50-100% BS

Unit at 0-89 % RD - need 100%-200% BS


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RE: How are supply requests computed ? - 11/1/2007 5:09:24 PM   
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RE: How are supply requests computed ? - 11/1/2007 5:13:47 PM   
Herode_2


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Status: offline 		Ha well ! Many thanks for the explanation, I've got the point now.
I really think you should rewrite/update the manual on this point for it is not understandable at all .
Also, the 200% BS request for 0% RD units is not stated anywhere in the manual (well, at least I did not found it...). Nor is the scaling of the request supply in
quote:

Unit at 90-99% RD - need 50-100% BS


Anyway, those pedagogic details are not the most important. What is important in fact is that's a very fine game you delivered to us, Vic.
Long live to AT !!

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RE: How are supply requests computed ? - 11/1/2007 5:48:09 PM   
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RE: How are supply requests computed ? - 11/1/2007 6:37:13 PM   
Herode_2


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Status: offline 		Attacking at least and, generaly speaking, any combat, lowers the unit's Readiness. Hence, it affects the basic supply request.

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RE: How are supply requests computed ? - 11/1/2007 6:43:50 PM   
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