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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

El Cid:

You know that the Japanese would have made them into CVLs like Chiyoda and Chitose but they were sunk by 1/43.  We talked about this in my thread a day or two ago.  PLEASE give us Japanese fans the opportunity of doing this!

John

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Let them become Chitose Class.  Nisshin was planned for that exact conversion but couldn't due to getting sunk.  The Mizuho could of the same class since she was laid out pretty close to the other three.  Only problem is her speed but that could still work if she was hooked up with the CVEs.

I haven't given this any thought....

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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

Just for accuracy, CS is not the correct classification for the Chitose, Nisshin, Mizuho class ships.   Under the US type designation in effect during World War II, these ships should be classed as CVS.   Who's for changing it??

REPLY: IF this is a query re changing it officially - at Matrix - in code: I am. I used the term because in WITP it is being used that way. WITP seems pretty much to use USN ship nomenclature - and that is a widely understood nomenclature system and certainly much of the Matrix market knows it - so being consistent with it is good form IMHO.




Most of the classifications match the US standard system - a very complete system by the way.    Other types at odds with the system are:

AG - Used for Japanese Barges.  AG is Miscellaneous Auxiliary in the US system.  Ocean going barges of the various types know as Daihatsu would be either LCsomething, or perhaps the British LB (Landing Barge).

REPLY: Yes indeedy - and I dives a USN oriented person slightly nuts to see AG used in this way. Not sure who thought AG was a good idea - or why?

MSW - An apparent abbreviation.   Should be AM

REPLY: I think you have this one right: MSW is often used as an abbreviation, particularly in British English usage. But it isn't consistent with USN nomenclature - why mix systems?

ML - Another abbreviation.   Should be CM, or CMc for the small ones.

REPLY: I think this is also correct - the same abbreviation system as used for MSW. Perhaps whoever did this was used to reading some British reference materials?

MLE - A made up type to facilitate and control mine usage - lest WITP become MITP (Mines in the Pacific)


REPLY: I don't think you are correct here: An MLE is a type, and in particular a IJN type. It just was not a USN type, so we might need to add it to the list. And - I confess - I am guilty of the charge of WANTING MITP - if wanting realistic mine warfare is to be guilty. I see no reason whatever to have a system permitting high speed minesweeping (still impossible) - forbidding air minelaying by any bomber - making sub minelaying way too easy - permitting paravanes on a few ships but not most (my 10,000 ton APA had paravanes) - or a long list of others. Whatever reasons we use to change this or that - let no fear of MITP be one of them: more correct ought to be our only standard.

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ORIGINAL: Historiker

Sid?
I created you an own ftp account, so you can upload new files yourself from now on.

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ORIGINAL: el cid again

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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

Just for accuracy, CS is not the correct classification for the Chitose, Nisshin, Mizuho class ships.   Under the US type designation in effect during World War II, these ships should be classed as CVS.   Who's for changing it??

REPLY: IF this is a query re changing it officially - at Matrix - in code: I am. I used the term because in WITP it is being used that way. WITP seems pretty much to use USN ship nomenclature - and that is a widely understood nomenclature system and certainly much of the Matrix market knows it - so being consistent with it is good form IMHO.

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

MLE is a made-up classification in WitP. No such thing in real life.

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ORIGINAL: treespider

CF - Flying Deck Cruiser
DA - Destroyer (1933)
APC - Cavalry transport and/or Small Coastal Transport

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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

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ORIGINAL: treespider

CF - Flying Deck Cruiser
DA - Destroyer (1933)
APC - Cavalry transport and/or Small Coastal Transport

Real good!

DA actually meant heavy destroyer, in the same way CA meant heavy cruiser. It was created for the large destoyers of the Porter class, but never used.

REPLY: I like it - because it is consistent with CA. I always thought we should call Porters DL or something special.

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ORIGINAL: el cid again

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

MLE is a made-up classification in WitP. No such thing in real life.

Not sure where this idea comes from - and possibly people at Matrix even believe it - but it is real enough.
An MLE is a minelayer fitted with sensors and weapons to serve as an escort ship. Several classes of these were designed and built BEFORE WWII by IJN. Some were not fitted for their wartime role as escorts until 1942 or so, others always had dual fitting - but they were all so intended - and so designated. MLE is certainly a classification you will find in my data bases and writing going back at least 30 years.