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Typhoon seasons: Snip (J) vs Trollelite(A) scenario ... - 11/12/2007 11:38:12 PM   
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This is what I call myself a „Maverik“ game. While using the WitP engine, no pretentions are even attempted to line up history with what may be possible in this game.

I accepted this challenge, because it is in stark contrast with my other PBM going (CHS 159, highly regulated) – just for a change of pace I have never tried this scenario before, even though I think I know a thing or two about CHS...

Our preliminary HRs are like this:

General:
Sub Doctrines = off
FOW = on
Allied damage control = on
Hist 1st turn = no
PDU = on
Vary Setup = 15 Days
Dec 7 surprise = on
Reinforcements = historical
Auto sub ops = off
Expand at start = off
Automatic upgrades = off
Accept replacements = off
Turn cycle = 1
Specifics:
1.No 4-engine bomb under 15000 feet, except for british 4-e squadrons (FE) ( they use a single 4000 lb bomb)
2.no B-29 under 20000
3.no B-29 anti-ship
4.no strategy bomb on resource under 100, and any other thing (oil, heavy industry, aircraft factory,etc) under 50
5. no night mission except for night fighter and Patrol boat units. Any side could convert a normal bomber unit to night bomber unit. To do so, they first have to be announced, after this, they act as night units and cannot henceforce be given day missions and cannot be converted back.
6.No PT enter those deep water hexes, that surrounded all six sides by water hex.
7.Allied asw group not exceed 6 ships, no restriction to japanese.
8.No sub landing (both sides)
9.No allied units (land, naval or air) can enter soviet territory.
10. Except initial chinese exp.force, only 2 other chinese corps could be changed to southeast asia command and be able to fight in burma and india. There is no restriction to support units, however. Those 2 corps should be announced.
11.chinese forces under china command can fight in manchuria, korea,taiwan, vietnam, but not siam, Burma, DEI,or India, etc.
12,Philippine could only be landed on US and local forces.
13. No allied offensive action in northern pacific before soviet enter war. They can take back any American territory occupied by Japanese, however.
14. No US corsair units on board carriers before 1, Jan, 1945. There is no restriction to British Corsair units. If Japanese ever use kamikaze before 1945, this restriction would be removed.
15. Japanese can only use those aircrafts designed for carrier, such as N1J or J2M are not allowed.
16. Only 6 carriers, 12 cruisers can be reconstructed by allied. Of these, 2 should be used to replace Australian cruisers and not allowed to use on US units. Only Heavy cruisers and american "10000-tons" light cruiser could be replaced. Those reconstruced ships should be announced before enter service.

What is not mentioned or forbidden in HR, is allowed. Well, well....

Even though. I offered a game where the Japanese assault a fully alerted assortment of allies – just to keep things balanced – he declined. Except for being able to move CL Boise and and CA Houston. So be it. And that „be“ includes a lot of things, the way I read it ...

Anyway, I offered to send day one resolution before moving on. For my opponents approval and consent. He accepted.. I am just glad, day one ended with rather „statistical“ results – just to keep things fun.

Before commenting on move one:
I did make a few „dry runs“ with this scenario and soon determined, that taking out „Clark Field“ with a preemptive strike – whatever the size – will not work.
A large number of my dispositions evolved around this finding.

Additions to this AAR will be rather sporadic – just an attempt to keep things in perspective.

Cheers
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RE: Typhoon seasons: Snip (J) vs Trollelite(A) scena... - 11/17/2007 12:04:00 AM   
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Gentlemen,

time for an update. Our game has reached Dec. 10th

And, after the first two moves compeleted, we have finalized – for the time being – our HR. A somewhat curious situation.
Anyway, the main change is in rule #8 which now reads: Only jap airborne unit and allied airbone ( regiment or below size) and raider unit could be sub-landed. (My suggestion – this includes the use of specific units for pre landing recon)
I declined to accept his suggestion to restrict the mobility and flexibility of my paras – after move two: Any airbone unit cannot air-assault multiple target in the same turn. One target every turn for one single unit. However, they could do that in different turns.
You can see the reason soon. Looks like my worthy opponent had no inkling of the powers of the IJA Paras if combined with long range “Tinas” and some APDs to recover the “fragments” asap. I asked for a “seasoned” player anyway. That is: Adjusting rules to game issues/exploits or war situations (to keep things fun for both sides) is one thing. Lack of knowledge of game mechanics is another issue – may cut both ways.

Again, even though I posted the invitation for a game, trollelite quickly responded with his set of HRs. I accepted them. And what is more, I – still – have no idea what the specifics of scenario 160 are – never played it before – I accepted for varieties sake.

As far as IJN midterm naval strategy goes, I rather side with Genda and Fushida, while the genius of Yamamoto does not rank that high in my opinion – after PH.

If it comes to strategy, I am rather conservative – or rather stick with simple rules:
Secure your lines of communication and supply.
Secure your lines of advance (retreat)
Get there first with more men.
If you lack force, confuse the enemy.
Stick to your “doctrines” on a strategical level.

Here is what happened so far:

Dec. 7th

KB with CarDiv1 and CarDiv5 attacks PH – Mission: immobilise USN Battle Wagons for as long as possible. Mission accomplished.

BB Maryland, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 1
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB California, Bomb hits 8, on fire
PC Reliance, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DM Gamble, Bomb hits 1
AR Argonne, Bomb hits 1
AV Tangier, Bomb hits 1
CL Detroit, Torpedo hits 1
DM Pruitt, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1, on fire

That “just” leaves his carriers. However four IJN CVs should suffice to keep the USN CVs at bay for the next month or two.

I scrached the Wake operation – to dicey – but took Nauru, Tarawa and Baker Isl. instead.
My subs have left the PH area – heading for softer – less asw heavy – areas.
Talking of Carriers:
CarDiv 4 (CVEs) is operating to the east of Luzon/Mindanao
CarDiv3 (CVLs) is operating to the north of Palawan (covering landings at Brunei)
CarDiv5 (CV) is operating in the south of Tarakan.

Curious ?

Lets cover the other issues:

Three (only) Groups of “Nells” attacked Singapore Port. I just hoped for a single hit on PoW and got this:

BB Prince of Wales, Torpedo hits 12, on fire, heavy damage
PC Raub, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Danae, Torpedo hits 1
CL Mauritius, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

I would guess, this result was helped by sending in Zeroes at high altitude from Singora AF cutting up the fighters at Singapore at a high altitude – sweep mission. A gamble – I admit.

However: The RN is pretty much cut up around Malaya. All I wanted. Sinking PoW is just a bonus.

This still leaves one issue: How to resupply Torps to my naval forces operating west of the home islands. If things go wrong, the IJN surface units will have to fight without torps for some time west of Formosa for lack of a suitable port. Solution: Send an AD (only three for the duration) to French Indochina – and manage a secure passage.

Here is what happened: Any DB in reach attacked Honkong Port plus Sallies and Lillies in the area. Looks like none of the RN ships are fit to sortie after this one.
On the other hand, any available CL/DD capable of reaching the South China Sea (including the ones without ASW capability) where send in this direction. Worked. Precious little was still afloat in the area (minus wreckage) . And if the AD makes it (which it did) the useless ships become an asset.

That just leaves Manila. Actually my main concern.

Two attacks took out the stuffing:

1: Formosa Based

SS Skipjack, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS S-41, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Salmon, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Permit, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Saury, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Sargo, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Corregidor, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Porpoise, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Capillo, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AS Holland, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Seadragon, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
SS Stingray, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PC Genesee, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PG Asheville, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

2: Camranh Bay
AV Langley, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AS Canopus, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Sculpin, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Spearfish, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Seal, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Pope, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Perch, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP President Madison, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
SS Tarpon, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AVD Childs, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Not good, but not bad either.

Lets corrolate this with my amphibious ops in the area:
Kota Bahru.
Brunei
Tarakan
Vigan
Bataan Isl.
Aparri.

Para Drops at:

Laoag – securing a size 2 AF on Luzon
Naga – get the ships in port. Secure a size 2 port
Legaspi: Take the place.
Sandakan: Take the ships.


Did I mention the Manado force ? 4 BBs plus some small fry for a landing. No landing at Legaspi ?

Anyway – this leaves the Boise/Houston problem. Remember I offered him to move them on day one.

I guess you got the picture – if my opponent knows what he is doing, those two vessels may prove to be a headache. Unless I manage to bait him – how about Ceram ?

Cheers

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RE: Typhoon seasons: Snip (J) vs Trollelite(A) scena... - 11/19/2007 11:06:10 PM   
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Hi chaps !

I do not care to bore you to death – I guess we all have read eraly war AARs ad nauseam.

So just the facts:

Trollelite used his Swordfish and Vildebeest units to attack my ships in the north of Malaya – with little result and heavy losses.
My rather motley conglomeration of Nates, Oscars and Claudes at Singora saved the day.
Anway, Kotha Bahru is taken (evacuated by allied forces) and Alor Star is empty. That means, I will have 2 size 4+ AF operational in northern Malaya tomorrow.
Looks like he is „racing“ for Singapore.

Borneo:
Miri (Para)
Brunei (heavy damage to oil installations)
Tarakan (no damage)
are taken.

Subs in the Tarakan Strait and AC from CarDiv 5 take their toll from fleeing allied shipping.

Jolo Island is taken by Paras. Just some sort of advise: In a game like this, try to get some troops to Jolo as an allied commander, just to blunt(delay) this kind of thing. A small scale airlift should suffice.

PI:

Vigan and Aparri are taken. According to my intel, Tuguegarao, San Fernando and Lucena have no garrison. Interesting.
Some B-17 on search, no attacks. Thanks for small favours.

Ships:
I have no idea where Boise and Houston are. Therefore covering my landings is of the first importance.
Looks like, a lot of single ship TFs are heading south-east from the area.

Celebes:

Landings at Manado are going on.

Moluckas:

Diversionary actions at Namlea draw out enemy air assets from Amboina.

Central Pacific:

Nothing to report. KB was not been attacked by air assets from Hawai, but managed to sink an AV near Frensh Frigate Shoal. I do not mind to give away the position of KB. On the contrary.

Cheers

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RE: Typhoon seasons: Snip (J) vs Trollelite(A) scena... - 11/19/2007 11:23:50 PM   
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Is Troll on a mission to take everyone on the board on?

Good luck anyhow Snip

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RE: Typhoon seasons: Snip (J) vs Trollelite(A) scena... - 11/19/2007 11:35:04 PM   
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No offence mate,

but the call sign of my worthy opponent is "Trollelite". Whether "troll" or "elite" are more important, is a an open question.

If I should consider your term "Taking on everyone on this board" as a slew on my own person - for accepting him as an opponent on his own HR - you are free to explain.

Anyway - as far as I can see, he managed to bluff GH pretty nicely - and in our game, he shows as an opponent with considerable tactical skill.

Would you mind to explain your comment please ?
Just that I know.
Who you are ?

Any AAR of yours ?

Cheers




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RE: Typhoon seasons: Snip (J) vs Trollelite(A) scena... - 11/19/2007 11:55:54 PM   
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Snip, do you have a sense of Humour? I wasnt being derogatry to you or troll. just a tounge in cheek comment about the number of AAR's with his name.

Good for him and if he is a worthy opponent even better.

Yes i do have AAR's in this forum and in the TOAW forum

No slew on your person at all, and for someone with 19 posts on this forum you should think before you type and engage brain, as to the 'slew on your person' comment totally out of the blue

good luck with your game mate, just mature a bit more

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RE: Typhoon seasons: Snip (J) vs Trollelite(A) scena... - 11/20/2007 12:04:06 AM   
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Well mate,

tounge in cheek it was ? There are ways you could have made sure "dumboes" like me may get it.
But of course, 19 posts speek for themselves.

I very humbly regret to have questioned your "ante" as a senior herabaouts.

I hope you accept my appologies.

Oh - jep I kinda a care to be sarcastic - if I find the occacison warrants it. To my lights, that is.

Cheers

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RE: Typhoon seasons: Snip (J) vs Trollelite(A) scena... - 11/20/2007 12:08:51 AM   
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Like i said good luck with your game.

As they say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and all that.

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RE: Typhoon seasons: Snip (J) vs Trollelite(A) scena... - 11/20/2007 12:14:04 AM   
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"As they say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and all that."

I knew, I would learn something tonite.

Thank you !

Cheers

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RE: Typhoon seasons: Snip (J) vs Trollelite(A) scena... - 11/20/2007 12:16:16 AM   
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RE: Typhoon seasons: Snip (J) vs Trollelite(A) scena... - 11/20/2007 12:21:27 AM   
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Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room



Seriously, just put eachother on ignore and keep your blood pressures low. This is meant to be an AAR of WiTP not a recreation of how the Pacific War would be fought if it were run by 5 year olds in a playground.

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RE: Typhoon seasons: Snip (J) vs Trollelite(A) scena... - 11/20/2007 12:24:57 AM   
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Hahah !

Exactly !

But "netiquete" is supposed to apply ?

Cheers

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RE: Typhoon seasons: Snip (J) vs Trollelite(A) scena... - 11/20/2007 12:31:22 AM   
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On the net all that applies is the law of the jungle and those who decide that today they are going to act as though they aren't in a jungle. You can't determine what "the other guy" will do but you CAN determine how you will act.

I didn't realise that and apply that for a LONG time but now I try to. I think it makes net-life a lot easier.

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RE: Typhoon seasons: Snip (J) vs Trollelite(A) scena... - 11/20/2007 12:36:37 AM   
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Hmm.

Nemo121, thank you. Serious.
You are right.

I just felt someone was taking an easy shot on a chap on this board. Issues or no.
Apologies to cantona2.

Cheers

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RE: Typhoon seasons: Snip (J) vs Trollelite(A) scena... - 11/20/2007 9:48:10 AM   
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Apologies to Snip

No cheap shot was being taken

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