Hortlund
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ORIGINAL: Reiryc You've also been shown that this is wrong and even agreed. Thus it is not always individual. No I havent, yes it is. For your argument to work, you would have to make the case that on a moral level, the female switchboard operator at the Reichstag is just as much to blame as the "soldier" in the einzatsgruppe who personally butchered tens of thousands of jews. The hotel receptionist at the holliday resorts run by the SS (yes, they had those too, check it up) is just as guilty as the mass murdering scum in Dirlewanger brigade. Now, if you want to try to make that case, then go ahead. State your arguments. And, whats even more sad, you havent even read the Nurnberg-documents. You have no idea what you are talking about. If you had read them, you would have noticed that there is one part of the SS that escaped the collective guilt-brush. Care to venture a guess as to what part, and why they escaped being bunched in with the others? Yes you have been shown to be wrong that guilt is always collective. Either your memory is short or you are deliberately lying. I will politely assume that your memory is short on the issue. I take that to mean two things a) you dont know the answer to my question, and b) you dont know how to find the answer to my question So...I'll help you out. The only part of the SS that was cleared at Nuremberg was SS-reiter, a sort of riding club. It started out as the mounted arm of the SS, but later the more warlike parts were transferred to the Waffen SS, while the riding club remained. The reason for this units absolution at Nuremberg was because there were several members of various European royal families who were members of this riding club, and it was decided that it would be better to "let that one slip". Considering that the original SS-Reiter had both an armed (Waffen) part, as well as a Totenkopfverbände (yes, thats the concentration camp guards) there is no logic whatsoever behind the courts desicion to let the SS-reiters off the hook, while deciding that the female switchboard operators and the hotel staff were to be punished. It is somewhat sad, although perhaps not surprising, to see that you havent even tried to make the case as to why guilt should be collective and not individual. I take that to mean you have no answer, or at least you lack the will/ability to articulate your reasons, therefore I am forced to accept that you yeild this part of the debate. Pity, it could have been interesting. But I have been trying to argue and put forth real arguments, and all you have replied with is stuff along the lines of "nah-haa, you are wrong" without ever trying to present some sort of argument or underlying philosophy behind your position.
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