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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/14/2007 12:41:07 AM

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Will there be any penalty for them to jump from base to base during those early months which often happens now (most are probably done with little to no prep points)??

Andy basically answered your question, but if I may add a few points here:

There are not that many units available for Japan in the AE to jump from base to base during the early months (and less shipping that is suited for this task - but this is basically a Naval Team thingy).

Eventually Japan will receive (many) more units than in stock (and Japan will need them just to adequately garrison all the new bases), but there were many errors in the WITP OOB, especially when it comes to IJN LCU's (double-counting of units, units being available far too early, units being too strong etc.).

For example, SNLF's (there are no NLF's anymore) should still do well against weak Allied units (Philippine units, Dutch units, some CW units), but it will not be enough to drop some SNLF's to dislodge a US RCT or a NZ Brigade anymore. For this tasks, Japan will need some IJA units with their heavier equipment.

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/14/2007 12:59:40 AM

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The exact forces that will be released are pure judgement on my part

As things stand now

India gets a Corps HQ (XXI Corps), 56th British Div (that has to leave in 43 for Italy if it appears), 6th Indian Div and 8th Indian Div both in the ME at this time as well as 251st Armoured Bde and an AA Bde

Australia gets 44th British Div (en route round the cape at this time arrives in Capetown), 9th Aus Div accelerated at Aden, 2nd Para Bde and an AA Bde (I may also allow a SA Motorised Bde but I am mulling the last one over)

NZ gets 2nd NZ Div, 32nd Army Tank Bde an AA Bde (all Aden), 12th NZ Bde (in NZ) plus possibly the Militia mounted rifle regts (6 of them in NZ) if I decide not just to have them on map.

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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Oh and probably a reinforcement draft which may be disbanded to provide replacements but setting this up so the AI will use it is difficult

Superb!

I have one request though. Please write a short chapter about all these special drafts, invasion reinforcement and TOE changes in the new manual, or in a separate document. Otherwise I foresee an endless stream of "What The H*ll Just Happened" threads, followed by a steep increase of "Must Read Threads".

Thank you very much for your detailed answers!!

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/14/2007 1:05:48 AM

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Detailed answers are not a problem ;)

As I said we are completing a scen build just now and we need to get back to AI and testing but I am always happy to come and try and answer questions !!!

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/14/2007 1:14:44 AM

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Questions:

1) Do Enginear vehicals count toward the total number of alowable enginear squads in a hex?

2)Do the Dutch Still have all those enginear vehicals in their Enginear squads?

3) Do the dutch Enginear units still work to destroy infastructure before it is captured?

4) Can fortifacations be captured and used? I know that on wake is. for example some of the guns the Japanese emplaced their were taken from captured forts else whear, and some forts that were captured we used to some degree in some locations.

5)Duch HQ's/French HQ's, I asume their are Dutch HQ's, do they get a Naval HQ? Air? and what of the French?

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/14/2007 1:38:29 AM

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1) Yes my understanding is its 250 max squad or squad equivalent so 50 Eng Vehicles or 250 squads.

2) Short answer is some do some dont there are three standard Dutch Base forces small outpost sized which have a few scattered about, main base forces which have 3 or 4 and nodal which have 4

I am currently reducung these a little following some concerns expressed by Joe but broadly yes there are a few and there will remain a few. Same applies here though chances of somewhere like Soerbaja betting to lvl 9 forts is now remote.

3) Yes

4) No

5) HQ's there is a Free French Static HQ in London an ABDA HQ (Command) and a KNIL Army Command HQ (Corps level HQ) for the dutch both Dutch HQ's disband in early 43

Inside the 1st month Air Commodore Brook Pophams Air Command Java becomes operational its a British Air HQ

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ORIGINAL: Brady

Questions:

1) Do Enginear vehicals count toward the total number of alowable enginear squads in a hex?

2)Do the Dutch Still have all those enginear vehicals in their Enginear squads?

3) Do the dutch Enginear units still work to destroy infastructure before it is captured?

4) Can fortifacations be captured and used? I know that on wake is. for example some of the guns the Japanese emplaced their were taken from captured forts else whear, and some forts that were captured we used to some degree in some locations.

5)Dutch HQ's/French HQ's, I asume their are Dutch HQ's, do they get a Naval HQ? Air? and what of the French?

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/14/2007 1:48:04 AM

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Just checked Brady 4 Dutch Base Forces have 4 Engineer Vehicles apiece or capacity to have them (Soerbaja, Batavia, Palembang and Balikapapan)

All others have max 1 and most dont even have that there are less than 20 Engineering Vehicles in whole DEI

Andy

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/14/2007 3:30:26 AM

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London...?

Thanks Andy btw

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/14/2007 9:26:24 AM

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OK Guys wearing my other hat now not land team lead

The rules must be an HQ (Naval, Ground or Air HQ)
Can be for British, Indian, CW, NZ, Australian, or Canadian Forces
I need the name the rank anbd the date of arrival -

Canada Land (2), Air (1) (has 1 air HQ but no leader)

Fire away I look forward to recieving suggestions

I'll take a shot at the Cdn bit:

Land Commander's
(do you need the National Commanders CGS etc?)

Pacific Command:
MGen R.O. Alexander (DSO) GOC in C Pacific Command (Later CinC West Coast Defences) Oct 1940 - 30 Jun 42

From 30 May 42 until Sept 42 the CGS moved West and took command until the Midway/Alleutian situation clerified:
LGen K Stuart (CB, DSO, MC)

MGen Pearkes, (VC, CB, DSO, MC) 2 Sep 42 - 15 Feb 45
MGen Worthington (CB, MC, MM) 1 Apr 45 - 22 Jan 46

Military Distric No. 11 (this post was linked to Pacific Command and was only filled when CGS arrived
Gen Alexander 30 May 42 - 30 Jun 42

GOC 6th Div (Vancouver Island and Southern mainland )
MGen A.E. Potts (CBE, ED) 20 May 42 - 11 Oct 43
MGen H.N. Ganong (CBE) 16 Oct 42 15 Dec 44

GOC 8th Div (Northern BC)
MGen H.N. Ganong 11 July 42 - 15 Oct 43

6th & 8th Divs were merged in Oct 43

I am looking for the Air Staff but my library in that area is scant.

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/14/2007 9:38:46 AM

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While looking for the Air commander (still working) I found a list of RCAF stations in BC. It may be too much to ask (or probably for the Map thread) but could you indicate if any of these are included:

RCAF Station Abbotsford, British Columbia
RCAF Station Alliford Bay, British Columbia
RCAF Station Bella Bella, British Columbia
RCAF Station Boundary Bay, British Columbia
RCAF Station Coal Harbour, British Columbia
RCAF Station / CFB 19 Wing Comox, British Columbia
RCAF Station Dog Creek, British Columbia
RCAF Station Jericho Beach, British Columbia
RCAF Station Patricia Bay, British Columbia
RCAF Station Port Hardy, British Columbia
RCAF Station Prince Rupert, British Columbia
RCAF Station Sea Island, British Columbia
RCAF Station Tofino, British Columbia
RCAF Station Terrace, British Columbia
RCAF Station Uclulet, British Columbia
RCAF Station Vancouver, British Columbia
Victoria International Airport, British Columbia

Thanks

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/14/2007 11:47:45 AM

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Question:

Land unit moves from A to adjacent B and has already walked 50 miles. If I now set the destination to C which is 1 hex beyond B I lose the 50 miles and the unit starts at 0 miles travelled distance. Can this be changed?

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/14/2007 12:37:00 PM

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Yup there is a London/UK Box with the Rosyth shipyards - its the arrival point for some British and French late war troops.

Andy

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London...?

Thanks Andy btw

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/14/2007 12:38:05 PM

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I have Alexander and Peakes as the two land HQ options for the Canadians its an air leader of Group Captain or higher that I need

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

OK Guys wearing my other hat now not land team lead

The rules must be an HQ (Naval, Ground or Air HQ)
Can be for British, Indian, CW, NZ, Australian, or Canadian Forces
I need the name the rank anbd the date of arrival -

Canada Land (2), Air (1) (has 1 air HQ but no leader)

Fire away I look forward to recieving suggestions

I'll take a shot at the Cdn bit:

Land Commander's
(do you need the National Commanders CGS etc?)

Pacific Command:
MGen R.O. Alexander (DSO) GOC in C Pacific Command (Later CinC West Coast Defences) Oct 1940 - 30 Jun 42

From 30 May 42 until Sept 42 the CGS moved West and took command until the Midway/Alleutian situation clerified:
LGen K Stuart (CB, DSO, MC)

MGen Pearkes, (VC, CB, DSO, MC) 2 Sep 42 - 15 Feb 45
MGen Worthington (CB, MC, MM) 1 Apr 45 - 22 Jan 46

Military Distric No. 11 (this post was linked to Pacific Command and was only filled when CGS arrived
Gen Alexander 30 May 42 - 30 Jun 42

GOC 6th Div (Vancouver Island and Southern mainland )
MGen A.E. Potts (CBE, ED) 20 May 42 - 11 Oct 43
MGen H.N. Ganong (CBE) 16 Oct 42 15 Dec 44

GOC 8th Div (Northern BC)
MGen H.N. Ganong 11 July 42 - 15 Oct 43

6th & 8th Divs were merged in Oct 43

I am looking for the Air Staff but my library in that area is scant.

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/14/2007 12:38:33 PM

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London...?

Thanks Andy btw

Not London literally, but the "UK" base, which represents, naturally enough, all of the UK.

Andrew

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/14/2007 12:40:02 PM

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Some of these are in some are not and some are down as RCMP (the very small ones) - I have edited the list to indicate those that made the cut

RCAF Station Alliford Bay, British Columbia
RCAF Station Bella Bella, British Columbia
RCAF Station Boundary Bay, British Columbia
RCAF Station Coal Harbour, British Columbia
RCAF Station Prince Rupert, British Columbia
RCAF Station Terrace, British Columbia
RCAF Station Vancouver, British Columbia
Victoria International Airport, British Columbia

Thanks
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/14/2007 12:40:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: Gunner98

While looking for the Air commander (still working) I found a list of RCAF stations in BC. It may be too much to ask (or probably for the Map thread) but could you indicate if any of these are included:

RCAF Station Abbotsford, British Columbia
RCAF Station Alliford Bay, British Columbia
RCAF Station Bella Bella, British Columbia
RCAF Station Boundary Bay, British Columbia
RCAF Station Coal Harbour, British Columbia
RCAF Station / CFB 19 Wing Comox, British Columbia
RCAF Station Dog Creek, British Columbia
RCAF Station Jericho Beach, British Columbia
RCAF Station Patricia Bay, British Columbia
RCAF Station Port Hardy, British Columbia
RCAF Station Prince Rupert, British Columbia
RCAF Station Sea Island, British Columbia
RCAF Station Tofino, British Columbia
RCAF Station Terrace, British Columbia
RCAF Station Uclulet, British Columbia
RCAF Station Vancouver, British Columbia
Victoria International Airport, British Columbia

Thanks

Some of these are included. Some are not.

In general, although we have added quite a few bases in North America, the base "density" there is still lower than other places, due to the fact that it is virtually never a ground combat area.

Andrew

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/14/2007 12:41:18 PM

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No its to hard as we cannot make it direction specific so the player could always at 99% complete change direction 180 degrees

So no this wont be changed

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Question:

Land unit moves from A to adjacent B and has already walked 50 miles. If I now set the destination to C which is 1 hex beyond B I lose the 50 miles and the unit starts at 0 miles travelled distance. Can this be changed?

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/14/2007 2:13:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: Rainerle

Question:

Land unit moves from A to adjacent B and has already walked 50 miles. If I now set the destination to C which is 1 hex beyond B I lose the 50 miles and the unit starts at 0 miles travelled distance. Can this be changed?

If he has gone 50 miles he is already in hex B in AE because hexes are 46 statute miles.

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/14/2007 3:17:45 PM

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True very true

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/14/2007 7:36:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

I have Alexander and Peakes as the two land HQ options for the Canadians its an air leader of Group Captain or higher that I need

AVM L.F. Stevenson (CO of RCAF Western Air Command)

GCPT B.D. Dal Russel (CO of RCAF X-Wing, commanding the RCAF Squadrons under USAAF operational command in Alaska)

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/14/2007 7:44:06 PM

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Thanks K perfect that will do nicely

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/16/2007 2:07:36 AM

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I just remembered this, it might be useful to look at it for AE.

In current WITP there is a bug with the land units reinforcement routine. Any LCU's scheduled to arrive on 12/8/41 never arrive. I think that actually the bug is that all land units arrive a day early, so the code doesn't know what to do with units that are set to arrive during the very first reinforcement phase. Obviously the easy work-around has been to set 12/8/41 arrivals to arrive on 12/9/41 instead. Air and naval reinforcements arrive just fine (no bug noted).

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/17/2007 4:12:49 PM

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Thanks yes we have that one so we should be able to avoid it.

I have had a couple of PM's raising concern about the invasion reinforcements.

I just want to reiterate clearly.

Indian reinforcements only arrive if the Japanese cross a line which will run one hex south of Madras.

1. So the japanese will still be able to attack Ceylon, Sothern India, Bengal and even place on the West Coast this is not about stopping India invasion as a tactic it is purely about a proportionate response if they choose to go deep.

2. Australia Perth, Brisbane, Darwin are all still vunerable but were the Japanese to push south I think again a proportionate response is justified.

3. NZ its so small that a landing anywhere triggers a response.

Just to be totally clear all of these units will be MODDABLE - if you don't like what I have done - dont use them, if you disagree with my choice of available units at the time - change them, if you think I have underdid the reaction make em all Corps !!!!

The key thing is we are putting in the slots and I will use my judgement about the units that go in them in the new baseline scenarios if you dont agree - don't worry you can mod them to your hearts content !!!!

Andy

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/17/2007 4:53:07 PM

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Ummm I of course meant DELHI not MADRAS in above post !!!

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/17/2007 9:34:37 PM

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Will there be the ability to add/modify bases as there is now.

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/17/2007 9:57:39 PM

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2. Australia Perth, Brisbane, Darwin are all still vunerable but were the Japanese to push south I think again a proportionate response is justified.

Andy

You don't consider Brisbane to be in the southern part of Australia?

Perth and Darwin I can see. They seem to be isolated from the other areas. But the south-east coast of Australia, from Adelaide to Rockhampton is where the bulk of the Australian population was, and should provoke an "invasion" response.

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/17/2007 10:28:58 PM

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I do but I wanted to give the Japanese the ability to hurt the allies and attack reasonable targets without dramatic responses.

Remember the allies recieve a force broadly of 3 Divisions in each line that is crossed so its only fair to give both sides to have some ahistoric options

Its one of those being reasonable things

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/17/2007 10:37:29 PM

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Also remember the Australians do get the full militia orbat at start and is probably the only nation that does because of the unique fact that most of the Australian Militia rotated overseas at some stage or another.

They seem to have the highest percentage of servicemen who served in a war theatre of pretty much any western allied nation - I am always amazed that forces considered among the elite of the allied armies were so badly squandered after 43.

It strikes me as totally nuts I often wonder what MacArthur was smoking.

(I wonder had the Australian Govt knew how badly they were to be treated after 43 would they have sent 1st Aus Corps back to Europe - probably not but I suspect the Australian Corps would have been far more usefull in Normandy than on Borneo !!!)

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/17/2007 10:39:51 PM

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Ok, thanks. :)

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/18/2007 2:50:24 AM

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Also remember the Australians do get the full militia orbat at start and is probably the only nation that does because of the unique fact that most of the Australian Militia rotated overseas at some stage or another.
While the Australian Army had the structure, it was deficient in men & material. Most Militia formations should be at about 25% on Dec 7, 41 and building up to full strength in men by April 42. They were mostly still equipped with obsolete weapons (18pdr Gun/How etc). About 3 Div equivs served overseas, a similar number defended Perth, Darwin, Sydney, Melbourne and didnt move OS.

They seem to have the highest percentage of servicemen who served in a war theatre of pretty much any western allied nation - I am always amazed that forces considered among the elite of the allied armies were so badly squandered after 43.

It strikes me as totally nuts I often wonder what MacArthur was smoking. If he wasnt on Drugs , he should have been!!(I wonder had the Australian Govt knew how badly they were to be treated after 43 would they have sent 1st Aus Corps back to Europe - probably not but I suspect the Australian Corps would have been far more usefull in Normandy than on Borneo !!!)
There was talk, dont know how far it went, to send 9th Australian Div to Europe for "OVERLORD", might have been hard on the guys who enlisted in Sept 39 to be sent to Europe though. In 1944 there was a major spat about Aussie units replacing US Army forces which would be used in the PI. From memory 8 Aussie Bdes were planned to replace 4 US Inf Divs, Dougout Dug wouldnt hear of it and sucked in the 6th Div. A I Aust Corps of 6,7 & 9 Aust Divs would have been handy in the PI and for any landings in Japan.
Against this was the war wearyness of the Australian population, I had an uncle in 6th Div who enlisted in '39, been to Nth Africa, Greece, Syria, Darwin & New Guinea and walked out in '45, they had contributed heavily to the cause and I think there was a bit of if MacArthur doesnt want us we'll stay home.

Andy

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/18/2007 3:15:46 AM

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Dont worry the Australian Militia are all heavily under strength at start they are not quite at 25% strenght the actuals vary unit by unit effective stregnth incl disruption at start are on the order of 30% overall with some units nearer 100% i.e. 30th Bde when it arrives.

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