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Channel Crossing Arrow not Optional - 12/20/2007 1:29:31 AM

DCWhitworth

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Can I please make a plea for the channel crossing arrow to be made optional when the next set of upgrades come out ?

I've always hated this rule (which was optional in the board game) it leads to totally unhistorical play.

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RE: Channel Crossing Arrow not Optional - 12/20/2007 5:10:37 PM

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This will not be in the 1.01 patch but the testers and I are discussin ways to do this...

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RE: Channel Crossing Arrow not Optional - 12/21/2007 2:32:12 AM

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I agree it should be out

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RE: Channel Crossing Arrow not Optional - 12/21/2007 3:00:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: Marshall Ellis

This will not be in the 1.01 patch but the testers and I are discussin ways to do this...

If nothing else, would it be viable to simply mod the map?

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RE: Channel Crossing Arrow not Optional - 12/21/2007 8:21:08 PM

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The map is just a Bitmap. Removing the dots indicating the crossing arrow would not make it go away.

Also, some of us like the crossing arrow. It needs to be optional not just removed. The Channel could be (and often was) crossed in small dingy type boats in the middle of the night under heavy fog. Just because it is inconvienient for Britain to be so close to France doesn't mean it can just pretend it doesn't have a soft underbelly.

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RE: Channel Crossing Arrow not Optional - 12/21/2007 8:44:58 PM

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It will be an option so everyone will be satisfied.

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RE: Channel Crossing Arrow not Optional - 12/21/2007 8:49:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: dauphan129

Also, some of us like the crossing arrow. It needs to be optional not just removed. The Channel could be (and often was) crossed in small dingy type boats in the middle of the night under heavy fog. Just because it is inconvienient for Britain to be so close to France doesn't mean it can just pretend it doesn't have a soft underbelly.

I'm afraid I disagree with you. Crossing the Channel at night in a dinghy in no way corresponds with getting serious numbers of troops across in good order.

The Channel is a difficult stretch of water with awkward tides and currents and the logistics of crossing it are formidable, it is far from being a 'soft underbelly'. It doesn't help that there are no major French ports close to the narrower portion.

I don't have a problem if you like it in your games. I'm just saying I feel quite strongly that it is unhistorical and I'd vote against using it in any game I played in regardless if which country I was playing.

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RE: Channel Crossing Arrow not Optional - 12/23/2007 10:26:25 AM

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Well I had this debate with someone else months before the game got released and a channel crossing is very historical. If Julius Caesar and William of Normandy (among many others) could pull it off I am sure the militaries of the 1800s could.

Still agree with the optional, although I would include it for the above reason. Few were the wars when someone did NOT try to cross at the channel.

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RE: Channel Crossing Arrow not Optional - 12/24/2007 6:21:43 PM

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Well I had this debate with someone else months before the game got released and a channel crossing is very historical. If Julius Caesar and William of Normandy (among many others) could pull it off I am sure the militaries of the 1800s could.

Still agree with the optional, although I would include it for the above reason. Few were the wars when someone did NOT try to cross at the channel.

I think you should say "Few were the wars when someone did NOT *consider* trying to cross at the channel." I can't recall hardly any actual *attempts*. Few people have actually tried it, the level of difficulty and organisation required have discouraged most of them. Some have tried to organise it but have called it off for one reason or another.

In fact I feel the examples of Julius Caesar and William the Bastard back this up. Both their invasions were thoroughly prepared over a long period of time beforehand and in JCs case he even made specialist ships for the job (after experiencing difficulties the year before). Not exactly just popping across a crossing arrow !

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RE: Channel Crossing Arrow not Optional - 12/24/2007 6:42:59 PM

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C'mon guys, relax. Nappy would just take the chunnel

I think it would be best as an option, and just to chime in, I would prefer it not be used.

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RE: Channel Crossing Arrow not Optional - 12/24/2007 6:59:04 PM

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C'mon guys, relax.� Nappy would just take the chunnel

I think it would be best as an option, and just to chime in, I would prefer it not be used.

yamma

Don't worry, I am quite relaxed

I'm certainly not taking any of this personally. We've already established that everyone seems to agree the crossing arrow should be optional. We just seem to have moved into a debate about how realistic the idea of a crossing arrow is in the first place. I can't think of any other game I've played that has a channel crossing arrow.

Incidentally, I think there were fears during the Napoleonic wars that the French might build a tunnel under the Channel. Not, I suspect, fears that were taken very seriously however.

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RE: Channel Crossing Arrow not Optional - 12/24/2007 7:11:04 PM

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Option only. Dont remove it completely. Some folks might want to use it.

All England has to do is keep a fleet in that sea space. That nulifies the ability of the French to do that.

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RE: Channel Crossing Arrow not Optional - 12/24/2007 8:09:57 PM

Marshall Ellis

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Hey guys:

This will be set as an option in the 1.01 patch.

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RE: Channel Crossing Arrow not Optional - 12/24/2007 8:37:13 PM

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That's great news Marshall. I was expecting to have to wait a little longer for this.

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RE: Channel Crossing Arrow not Optional - 12/24/2007 10:27:14 PM

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Hey guys:

This will be set as an option in the 1.01 patch.

In the meantime nothing prevents you from houseruling it between France and GB. It's there just don't cross it....

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RE: Channel Crossing Arrow not Optional - 12/25/2007 8:37:41 AM

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LOL that's not happening. If it's there, they will come.

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RE: Channel Crossing Arrow not Optional - 12/26/2007 6:04:05 PM

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LOL that's not happening. If it's there, they will come.

I would not play the game with an opponent that wouldn't respect the house rule.

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RE: Channel Crossing Arrow not Optional - 12/26/2007 7:37:02 PM

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No, I meant the house rule won't happen. It benefits 1 player out of 7 and weakens at least 2 majorly and 2 more minorly.

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RE: Channel Crossing Arrow not Optional - 12/27/2007 3:29:09 AM

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Well, I have played a game with a crossing arrow...Umm, Cough, cough...Risk and Axis and Allies...

C'mon guys!!?? You KNOW you have played them too

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