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OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/23/2007 11:40:51 AM   
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guess it is being called an Adult RPG, got to watch the use of "colorful" words and all (a couple times I almost fell off the couch laffing at something the NPCs would say)

very different plot line story, some tuff choices to make during play, which effect the way the game works out

(still alot of the old run back and forth to get this to get that, but...)

starts out a little slow, trying to teach you how combat works, but later on, it pays off, and some of the killer moves are sweet (LOL, like the one where he stuns someone, leaps in the air, lands on his shoulders and drives his sword down though his head, and then does a backflip off)

(killer moves are simi rare and only happen when someone is stunned, most are just step in and stab)

very impressed with it, the story is by a Polish Auther who has some books out



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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/23/2007 3:58:17 PM   
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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/23/2007 4:53:39 PM   
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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/23/2007 5:54:39 PM   
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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/23/2007 5:56:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm playing it now. I'm a real Oblivion and Gothic fan and some things about the game I have a problem with ie. combat. Some of the side quests are downright stupid. One thing though I've tried to put it down and move on but something about it keeps me playing it. The adult parts of the game are really over blown in the reviews. If you are an adult and not extremely prissy or religious it's tame compared to what you see and hear in the real world.

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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/23/2007 9:30:52 PM   
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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/23/2007 10:20:19 PM   
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I have the 2Gb (!) demo, but haven't tried it yet. Is this game open ended (a la Oblivion) or linear? If linear, I'll delete it and save HDD space


I would say it is a loose linear game,loose enough that it does not feel like you are being driven to what the programmer wants (you can do what you want, when you want, but you do have to follow the plot line sooner or later)

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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/23/2007 10:21:15 PM   
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One of the best RPGs of this year. I bought the CE version. I heard that the american version was censored somway. The retail distruption doesnt accept games that are for adults.


I don't know, I got Sex and Swearing in mine, would like to see what they censored out !!!

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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/23/2007 10:29:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Sarge. I might give it a go then. I just hope I've got the adult version as I'm going to be in for a big disappointment otherwise! 

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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/23/2007 11:31:51 PM   
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If you are an adult and not extremely prissy or religious it's tame compared to what you see and hear in the real world.


It makes an interesting comparison between the sad PC prudes of America and the people in Europe who have other things to worry about than somebody saying "f*ck" in a computer game.

Still, it's a very good game. I've put it on hold for a while; got other things to attend to.

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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/26/2007 1:46:03 PM   
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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/27/2007 3:56:16 AM   
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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/27/2007 3:58:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		The main problem with The Witcher for me is the name of the lead character:

Geralt of Rivia -> Geralt o' Rivia -> Geraldo Rivea -> Geraldo Rivera



I have trouble playing the game now without imagining our albino monster hunter with a really inappropriate (not to mention mangy) moustache...

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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/27/2007 4:21:49 AM   
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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/27/2007 4:24:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Personally I think they failed in re-creating the Adult theme. It's more like
how pimpled teens laugh at tities in Playboy mags. I mean, bad boob jobs in a so called
mideaval fantasy theme? Yeah right.

I think game designers should watch an HBO show now and then to see how
a proper Adult theme is created. Carnivale is a good start :).

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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/27/2007 1:52:36 PM   
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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/27/2007 2:37:18 PM   
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But if it has to be a fantasy example then I would suggest reading
something from George RR Martin or Steven Erikson (or the more recent Scott Lynch).
Sums it up pretty well.

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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/27/2007 5:50:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		The adult themes are in the stories and not the big tits.The game is great.

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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/27/2007 6:10:10 PM   
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A Cable Network Channel with extensive in house production.

But if it has to be a fantasy example then I would suggest reading
something from George RR Martin or Steven Erikson (or the more recent Scott Lynch).
Sums it up pretty well.


Yes, I know what HBO is... My point is that Americans has very little concept of what makes an "adult" anything. You won't see that sort of censorship over here...

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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/28/2007 1:21:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		HBO is an American channel so it sort of defies your point.
You mean shows like Carnivale, Six Feet Under and Deadwood doesn't have adult themes?

Just trying to say that there's more to being adult than nudity. How about being mature?

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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/28/2007 2:30:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well from the little I've seen of the " adult " shows you mention it just proves his point. I believe he means the whole adult package ie angst, fear, regret etc. not just nakedness. I don't know which cable channel it's on but to have a pseudo comedy about a serial killer is in my view just disgusting. I'm not a prude and read all I can get about serial killers but to make a comedic show about one is really bad.

Back to the Witcher

I think that the adult parts of making choices and having repercussions from them was great. The horndog parts were not really annoying it's just that they had no real part of the story except for the love triangle with the witcher,Triss, and Shani. Even there you had no real consequences when you made your choice. The other more mature theme running through it was the best I've seen in a computer game. Geralt of rivia was the most striking persona I've yet incountered in a game. it says a lot to me that I now want to read all the books in the series.

That said as far as a game it paled in comparision to Gothic 3 and Oblivion even Two Worlds was a better game. I didn't like a lot of the controls, a lot of the sub plots were idiotic and the interaction with some of the characters was bad beyond belief. It's really too bad that a great series of books and great game plots were mangled by this up and coming company. If only whoever did Oblivion had got their hands on this. It was much like a bad pc port of an Xbox game. Which as far as I know it isn't available for consoles.

This isn't really a spoiler but in my eyes the ending stank. I just kept looking at the screen saying, what the hell.

Everyone has their own opinions and there was a lot to like in the game.

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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/28/2007 3:00:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well my point was that just having nudity/violence doesn't make something adult. It's about
having complex story elements (like those you mentioned). A bit like those HBO shows I talked about.

I think we both agree that censorship is bad and that is the key. A story/play/game/cartoon should never
have to compromise with the content because some kind of "moral majority/minority" dislikes it. There is always an off
button one can switch if the creation doesn't suit ones tastes.

I haven't played this game but from some reviews I got the idea that much of the "adult" content more reminded
of typical teenage bedroom fantasies than actual adult themes. Which probably suits the target audience well.

Maybe I am biased by the fact that we don't have any nudity or swear filters in TV/Movies.
I just don't see the big fuss about naked women(or men) on screen.

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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/29/2007 6:45:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I ordered the UK version. I not down with censorship. Anyways I been wanting to play a good story driven RPG, sounds like this is a good one from the reviews.

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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/29/2007 8:28:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oblivion had a plot and interesting characters?Oblivion was a terrible RPG in my view it bored me to death,it was more like a single player MMO with massive amounts of loot being its only pull.Mass Effect and the Witcher are best RPG's since Balders gate2 in my view,they have a good story,interesting charactors,great setting and never get boring.

Each to his own.

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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/29/2007 8:35:05 PM   
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I haven't played this game but from some reviews I got the idea that much of the "adult" content more reminded
of typical teenage bedroom fantasies than actual adult themes. Which probably suits the target audience well.


This is rubbish.The adult themes are in the setting and story that deals with racism,corruption of power and the shades of grey with all the charactors.The mini game of shagging women to get cards is irelavent to the game.

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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/29/2007 9:08:21 PM   
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The mini game of shagging women to get cards is irelavent to the game.


OOH does it come with a Groin attachment like Listers in Red Dwarf????

I'll get my coat

I will probably buy the Witcher sometime in 2008, as I am totally skint atm.

Cheers

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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/29/2007 9:43:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: marcusm
I haven't played this game but from some reviews I got the idea that much of the "adult" content more reminded
of typical teenage bedroom fantasies than actual adult themes. Which probably suits the target audience well.


This is rubbish.The adult themes are in the setting and story that deals with racism,corruption of power and the shades of grey with all the charactors.The mini game of shagging women to get cards is irelavent to the game.


And you call that mature? Sounds like a real contender for DH Lawrence litterature ;).
I found the main Oblivion story quite compelling. Especially liked the "dream world" sequence towards the end.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.


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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/30/2007 12:46:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you read my post I said "That said as far as a game it paled in comparision to Gothic 3 and Oblivion even Two Worlds was a better game". The stories were your typical rpg hack and slash. Where the Witcher excelled was it's story. I didn't like most of it's game aspects ie. controls, combat etc.. I also don't like any of the D&D like games, baldurs Gate etc.. I like first and third person perspective. As you said to each his own.

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RE: OT, anybody try out the Witcher ? - 12/30/2007 5:28:34 PM   
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