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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 11/17/2007 6:50:21 AM   
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Fall 1943:

Allies:

Indeed Russia's fighters are quite deadly but we'll be catching fast. Still Japan does teach those a few lessons already

Now her Tactical Bombers are a few generations behind and not many build yet. Numbers will tell for the next one so here is the situation for now.

Russia tried to mount an attack against Manchuria but run away tails between their legs and lost one Tank Army in the adventure If this is the best they can do against Japan then we will be in Moscow in the blink of an eye

In the meantime we have liberated Timor, Borneo, Sarawak, French Indochina, Changsa, Foochow, Hainan and wreak havoc on targets we could reach

Hiro Hito armies are still a force not to dismiss lightly and they could well strike back anytime as Uncle Joe do notice each turn




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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 11/17/2007 2:14:48 PM   
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Japan can´t do anything but to retreat to main islands and defend it to the last man!
WA is far from a-bomb, but he can still bomb me back to stone age :-)




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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 11/18/2007 6:09:21 AM   
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Winter 1944:

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Trying to keep it fun

We keep using our airforce to move forwards as fast as possible. Peking, Shangai, Honk Kong, Formosa, the whole of the Philippines (Mc Arthur is happy) and Papua New Guinea (great ) are liberated. Hawai is free as well again.

Our carriers after crawling their way close to Japan under heavy Fighters cover did launch a lightning strike at the Japanese navy and sunk 2 carriers on top of gunning dows all Japanese CAGS. Left some Heavy and Light Fleet plus a huge airforce to deal with.

The A-Bomb is indeed not so close to be delivered but with an industry left to use local ressources Japan will have a hard time facing the intensive bombing I'm going to deliver soon. Won't be very civilized way of waging war... just bluntly dropping bombs after bombs till Tokyo surrenders.




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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 11/18/2007 12:15:47 PM   
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In imperial Japan harakiri is becoming a smashing hit ;-)

Here is the world in spring of ´44.




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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 11/25/2007 9:38:48 AM   
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Spring 1944:

Allies:

Japan still has a nice airforce with 11 Fighters and 7 HVY Bombers so the fight for Air Supremacy will come next turn as we still consolidate our forces around Japan and begin to hit his infrastructure and troops out of Tokyo as you can see below.

The Japanese navy should realize staying at sea is a folly

After Korea, Russia can't violate any other country. Some countries should realize soon that siding with us is a good idea or we will make them understand

As it looks like we won't really need the A-Bomb but it will still be coming in handy against Moscow




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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 11/25/2007 6:59:40 PM   
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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 11/26/2007 10:43:25 AM   
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Summer 1944:

Allies:

Summer time and the skies are red painted by an airforce in flame Craters blossom all over Honshu airfields... quite a beautifull sight but not done without losses.

As Japan did show we have about 40 TAC bombers ready and used this turn half of those so Uncle Joe should have an idea where the other half is heading

For his birthday we just send Stalin a nice new mask to wear once Japan will surrender. Lots of laughs guaranteed

In the meantime we landed in Kyushu, this is one of the last steps before Japan fall. We might expect a counterattack but our airforce should render this hopeless. Forces in presence shown below. Also an idea of the desesperate efforts from Russia to build enough fighters to keep our bombers at bay. Ground forces are still in Russia favor by numbers but quality is on our side for ART and TANK ground attack. Other breakthrough coming in the short term.




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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 11/26/2007 11:03:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Imperial army marches into last battle for the emperor! Vastly outnumbered they fought a brave battle and now can lay down with the peace in their harts, because they have lost this war, but not their face...
Scr... the face, we have lost
Well at least we managed to stick it to the yanks one last time .
It will be interesting to see how this fight east vs west will continue... WA is steaming but SU is also strong and unhindered with short war with Germany...





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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 11/29/2007 3:09:20 PM   
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Allies:

The IJA could still do a Banzai attack to save their honor but their AA did more than that shooting quite a few of my TAC bombers. More than I would like to admit (5 or so I think but forget the SS)

We are building back Asia and preparing to defend ourselves against what seems a mounting attack from Russia via Eastern France

Still a lot of our troops to be deployed but even with 62 transports it seems not nearly enough of those

What our crystal ball says nonetheless is that there is a good chance Japan will full during year 1945

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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 12/1/2007 12:03:50 AM   
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Nothing to do, turn forwarded...
Go kill each other ;-)

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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 12/4/2007 1:37:57 PM   
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Winter 1945:

Allies:

We needed a lot of supplies to rebuild the damage done to Asia ressources. So we couldn't mount a proper attack this turn. Anyway it's Winter so too cold to fight

Nothing much to notice but strangely our ART is better than the Russia as well as our Tanks but Russian Fighters are still better... for now.

We notice also that Russia did invest a lot in spies. MI6 and 007 are watching






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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 12/4/2007 11:26:57 PM   
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Here is the current troop numbers...
Both sides are building artys but WA has 10 LA, and SU only 8... It´s the same with everything else, only Ft-s are slightly on SU side...(9 def, to 8 def WA).
It should be interesting fight!




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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 12/22/2007 1:36:16 PM   
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Allies:

A last round of bombing did clear a few INF and all the AA the Japanese still had. The need to reinforce France did prevent us to have enough supplies to mount the last attack needed to take Tokyo but Summer is a nice season for a ground offensive. The blossoming flowers tainting with some sweatness the bitter smell of gunpowder... lovely

Russia has quite a few Fighters ready and definitely more ART but we welcome the challenge. At least now our fighters are technologically equals to the Soviets. We notice that Russia steal needs to still technology from China

We noticed also that France will win WW3 anyway as they are playing both sides




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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 12/24/2007 6:24:38 PM   
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Summer 1945:

Allies:

The end is near but it means a new fight to begin with.

Japan last troops are damaged just need the final push.

In the meantime our tanks got better




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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 12/27/2007 6:58:28 AM   
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Oups Didn't pay attention to the rules saying Decisive Victory is for Summer 1945.

Now we have only a substantive Victory

Anyway this should be the turn for Russia to start WW3.





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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 12/27/2007 4:25:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good Job guys, excellent aar reading.
I have just tallied up the AAR points.
I am allowing all players to miss 1 post before penalties are applied.
If I made any mistakes let me know.

WWII Allies SV Allies +40 Axis +0

Dahnul 10 x .25 = 2.5 missed Fa42 wi43 (-1) = 1.5
Kondor 16 x .25 = 4 missed none (0) = 4

Tica 3 x .25 = .75 missed All of 43,44,45 (-11) = (-10.25)
Polonthi 22 x .25 = 5.5 Missed none (0) = 5.5

Now Time for what looks like the most interesting WWIII so far.



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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 1/5/2008 7:41:30 AM   
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The Good Guys :

After a sneak attack by the Red Airforce on France airfields the Red Army decided to retreat on better defensive positions behind the Rhine. Greece and Northern Persia were also invaded.

That air attack did achieve very good results rendering our position in France at least on a Air level quite unsustainable. Nonetheless our tanks destroyed the infrastructure in the TLC, Eastern and Southern France. That's 5 resources gone.

Our bombers did take care of 9 more in various places from Norway to Siberia.

Rumania being only lightly defended was stormed by one Elite INF whose sacrifice did destroy 4 more resources.

The Eastern Kazhakstan, Grozny and the Caucasus were invaded which takes care of 9 more resources.

All in all this is 27 resources lost to Russia for next production. Also with Grozny opens we have quite a few targets for next turn.

We paid a visit to Vladivostok destroyed a few fighters as well as some lonely one here and there. All in all we lost a lot of TAC bombers but in terms of Fighters it's not to bad at the end. Russia's advantage is to have a lot of those in one place. The inconvenience is of course to leave the rest open to airstrikes.

Russia was at 26VP but after this turn it's down to 21 only.




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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 1/10/2008 3:44:19 AM   
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WW3 Summer 1946:

Allies:

Russia still has air supremacy over Germany this turn but our side attacks in the Caucasus and Kazhakstan is diverting some of those. We might get there to fight that supremacy soon enough.

In the meantime we keep pounding Russian ressources in Yugoslavia, Sweden, Austria, Tchekoslovkia, East Germany, Manchuria,...

Our TAC bombers investment begins to pay off. Greece and Korea are vacuum cleaned of troops. Western Kazakhstan is heavily bombed before our Indian militias go pulverized the Russian militias. Siberia lays open.

Bulgaria is liberated and therefore Yugoslavia and Rumania are threatened.

We move troops to Beijing to threaten Manchuria while bombing rails lines all around and move troops in Southern France as well for Northern Italy. Grozny is reinforced and is in a good position to push forward next turn as well.

We had a few TAC air losses but all in all it's quite positive.

Our technical superiority in INF, ART, TANKS is paying dividends as well.

Next turn will be interesting.




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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 1/12/2008 12:19:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		WW3 Fall 1946:

Allies:

Things begin to turn sour for Russia.

Her last air attacks were not so great and we have now the means to countest air supremacy above Germany while in the meantime our strategic bombers keeping bombing what they can find even Transports ships in Leningrad.

Northern Italy was succesfully stormed and a sizeable army is ready to attack Austria or Yugoslavia next turn.

The airforce in Turkey did smash TAC AIR and ART in Stalingrad to pieces. Rostov suffered an ART attack while we keep moving in te Urals from Western Kazahkstan. Vladivostock is now cut from the rest of Russia and Manchuria was attacked suffering great losses for nothing much on our side. I noticed afterwards they were unsupplied not to mention we did bomb them as much as we could before the attack.

Having 300 supplies points still after our moves I did spend enough to ensure that our spies would have the upper hand. Feels good but no glory for this as the Allies production is silly when running full speed. What a luxury of options.




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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 1/17/2008 3:53:34 PM   
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Winter 1947:

Allies:

After this turn I doubt Russia will last beyond 1947.

Russia is neatly cut in 2 from the Urals to Siberia meaning lots of unavailable resources. Vladivostok will be attacked next turn after the fall of Manchuria and Korea. Mainly MIL and ART in defense with lots of air support on my side.

On the center front we keep progressing within the Urals and using airpower from Turkey to destroy the possibility of a counterattack for Russia.

On the West Yugoslavia has been stormed by a pinch attack from Italy and Bulgaria with air support from Tunisia. Destroying first the rail lines to take out the defensive bonus and then attacking with combined arms bonus. Survivors were destroyed with Western France TAC bombers. Speed 4 for the fighters and the TAC is a big advantage. Rumania has been liberated once again giving a base of attack to the Ukraine.

Next turn we will have the possibility to invade more or less where we want in Northern Europe.

At last we begin to have a clear troop advantage in all but ART and a small advantage in terms of Fighters.






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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 1/17/2008 5:27:47 PM   
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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 1/17/2008 10:14:43 PM   
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I just started reading the AAR and am very new to the game. Early on Japan refers to forgetting to take their SS?? What is that referring to?

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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 1/17/2008 10:59:49 PM   
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(Under the right circumstances it would mean submarine though.)

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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 1/18/2008 8:09:22 PM   
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Allies:

The spring offensive is decisive. Russia did retreat from Germany to counter the push from Yugoslavia keeping the airforce and the navy to supply the troops but we send an all out attack on those destroying all airforce in Western Europe and most of the Russian navy in the Baltic.

We send the Tanks from France to Western Germany and from Yugoslavia to take West and East Poland, Hungary, Tchekoslovkia, landings are done against Finland.

In the Center Stalingrad and Gorki are occupied via the Urals troops receiving supplies through Siberia rail lines. Vladivostok is stormed and the surviving airforce destroyed in Kamtchatka.

We will suffer some losses from lonely troops next turn but at this moment it's of no consequence as the damage is done and impossible to reverse. The Allies have 2 times as many fighters than Russia and enough TAC and HVY bombers to keep destroying rail lines and troops.

Troops on the ground enjoy superiority in numbers and quality.

It's definitely very hard for Russia to win WW3 without a clear advantage at the beginning and reaching AV in the first few turns.

(Guess some losses comes from WW2 as the total seems high but it shows that Russia fighters did do quite a bit of damage.)




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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 1/21/2008 11:22:33 AM   
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Allies:

If you look at the map you'll wonder as me how the Victory Screen doesn't appear yet.

After this turn nothing much left from Russia. Moscow, Berlin, Prussia, Baltic State, Leningrad, Stalingrad, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Archangelsk, Murmansk, Sevastopol. Kamtchatka,... all falling in the hands of our troops. The main part of Russia's army is trapped in Austria with no supplies and no chance to get any anytime soon.

To give this scenario a chance there should be some demobilization of US troops before the start of WW3 maybe with a minimum in case the US finish the WAR in a bad shape. Something simple like minus 50% with a minimum of 75% of Russia numbers unless Russia attacks Neutrals with 25% back in the US. If Russia did attack 2 neutrals then showing some aggressivity against the "free world" then it would be +10% (2 times 5% per country attacked) to give 60% to min 85% of Russia numbers and 15% back in the US. That would give Russia a chance I think.

The AI would do the adjustments without the player controls. Afterall the US is a democracy and the army doesn't make the decisions in time of peace.




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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 1/30/2008 7:00:57 PM   
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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 2/4/2008 3:16:14 AM   
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Its obvious WWIII is a easy win for Western Allies and I think we will change the victory conditions in round 3 and 4 to make the WA capture Moscow to get the full 15pts, I think that will prove tougher but certainly not impossible.

WWIII
Polinthi 6 x .25  =  1.5 +15 for DV  16.5
Tica  1 x .25  =  .25  =  0 for DL  .25

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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 2/8/2008 1:44:15 PM   
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Taking Moscow is not impossible (I took it easily only because the Victory didn't include this part or Tim would surely have defended it more) but is it possible before you get AV by the Allies?

Surely not easily unless you refrain yourself so does it mean to continue the game after AV to see if you can take Moscow?

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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 2/8/2008 9:49:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Polonthi

Surely not easily unless you refrain yourself so does it mean to continue the game after AV to see if you can take Moscow?



No continue.
AV would end WWIII

WA wins via East/West with in game AV(i.e. required strat points) no Moscow WA +5 SU 0
WA wins via capturing Moscow WA +15 SU 0
Game ends before WA gets AV or Moscow and WA has more than 22sp SU +15 WA 0
Game ends before WA gets AV or Moscow and WA has less than 23sp SU +20 WA 0
SU gets east/west AV SU +25 WA +0

How does that sound??


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RE: Round 2 2vs2 Dahnyul/Kondor vs Tica/Polonthi - 2/15/2008 6:12:38 AM   
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Not sure how it sounds but at least it would put some pressure against the Allies to prevent Russia to go to far to fast in Europe. Russia can't do much against Japan during WW2 anyway.

At the end this scenario WW3 depends on the ending of WW2

If Axis goes after Russia then it's from the start impossible for Russia to win this WW3

If Axis goes against the Allies and Russia is left untouched then it's possible for Russia to win if the damage done against the Allies is extensive and if not it can be a fair fight.

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