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Value of games found... - 1/25/2008 12:19:35 AM

sysrkm
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Hi folks,

I'm coming here to the forum to ask the braintrust what they think the value might be on some games I found.
I'd like to sell them to finance the purchase of a new ham radio, but I'm not sure of the value and I'm not sure that looking at what ebay has produced on the same games is a good yardstick.

Some of the games I have are these:

What I consider the crown jewel of the find, all three games in the Panzerblitz series

Panzerblitz
Panzerleader
Arab\Israeli wars

the copies above are new in box, with the shrink wrap intact.

I have a copy of Panzerleader and Panzerblitz that do NOT have the shrink wrap, but are in like new condition and unpunched.

I also found a copy of Squad Leader (SL) Cresendo of Doom and SL Cross of Iron, where the box is good to very good, unpunched
I also have a punched and played copy of SL, evidently I never got past SL.

I also have a copy of TSG's Starfire in VG to New cond. unpunched.

I'd like to get as many opinions as I can about the value, and I'm hoping that I can find someone crazier than I am with more money than I have that will take the in the shrinkwrap copies of the Panzerblitz series off my hand for ridiculous cash.

Well, I CAN hope, can't I???

Thanks in advance for your help folks.

Regards,

Rob 'needing a new radio' McClure, KC5RET

PS: these aren't all the games I found, but with a few exceptions, they are the best of lot. If you want to make a ridiculous offer, email me at thanatos74@gmail.com

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RE: Value of games found... - 1/25/2008 12:57:34 AM

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i give ya a buck each

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RE: Value of games found... - 1/25/2008 1:08:17 AM

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Panzerblitz
Panzerleader
Arab\Israeli wars

the copies above are new in box, with the shrink wrap intact.

I think ebay is a good indicator of what these are worth. Shrinkwrapped you're going to get $50+ for each of these, especially the first two.

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I have a copy of Panzerleader and Panzerblitz that do NOT have the shrink wrap, but are in like new condition and unpunched.

Possibly also $50+, or close to it.

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I also found a copy of Squad Leader (SL) Cresendo of Doom and SL Cross of Iron, where the box is good to very good, unpunched

Not sure about these, but most unpunched AH games, especially the more popular wargames, will usually fetch close to $50+ or thereabouts.

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I also have a punched and played copy of SL, evidently I never got past SL.

Not sure about that one.

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I also have a copy of TSG's Starfire in VG to New cond. unpunched.

Don't know.

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RE: Value of games found... - 1/25/2008 1:15:08 AM

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Shucks, I forgot to ask my other question:

Is there any where on the web where I can go to verify that I have all the contents to the games that have been opened?

I would HATE to have someone spend good money only to open their box and not find all that is supposed to be in there.

Regards,

Rob

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RE: Value of games found... - 1/25/2008 1:41:16 AM

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Shucks, I forgot to ask my other question:

Is there any where on the web where I can go to verify that I have all the contents to the games that have been opened?

I would HATE to have someone spend good money only to open their box and not find all that is supposed to be in there.

Regards,

Rob

Yes, there are several good resources for this, in regard to boardgame contents.

The first is BoardGameGeek. They have user-uploaded screenshots of games, usually including screens of unpunched unit sheets.

There is also a site called Simulacrum.com. All they do is show screens of unpunched sheets and there's a lot of them.

There is also Web-Grognards, which has various files for games, such as errata notes.

The first two sites should be all you need to verify whether you have all the pieces for wargames.

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RE: Value of games found... - 1/25/2008 3:49:41 AM

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Oh, and in regard to SL, keep in mind that Advanced Squad Leader is presumably what players prefer nowadays. That could put a little crimp in what you get for SL. I'm not familiar with the game myself - I mean I never played it.
I did buy a few other older board wargames on ebay last summer, including PanzerBlitz+Leader, so I'm familiar with recent prices for those.

So, why do you think ebay would not be a good yardstick? Where else would you sell them?

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RE: Value of games found... - 1/25/2008 4:13:25 AM

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sysrkm,

If the PanzerBlitz game is one of the original editions, it has the game box tucked into an outer sleeve box, then you might get $50 or more for it. But if it is just a standard box, just top and bottom, then I doubt very much if you will get more than $20 or $30 for it. There are lots of PanzerBlitz games out there for sale, punched and unpunched. They are fairly numerous except of course for the original editions. Same goes for PanzerLeader and Arab/Israeli Wars.

I am very leery of buying shrinkwraped games from other than a retailer or original publisher. There have been many scams on eBay where people have bought supposed original shrinkwrapped games only to find blank paper and cardboard inside. Not saying what you have is not real, but many people are like me and would prefer to know what's inside before buying. I don't think being shrinkwrapped makes a game all that much more collectable or valuable. It's what's inside that makes the game worth something.

Now if I knew that shrinkwraped PanzerBlitz game you have was one of the originals with the shiney black and red counter backs and was unpunched, I might give you $50 for it.

I am curious. Does it appear to be a gamebox slipped inside an outer sleeve box?

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RE: Value of games found... - 1/25/2008 10:48:09 AM

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sysrkm,

If the PanzerBlitz game is one of the original editions, it has the game box tucked into an outer sleeve box, then you might get $50 or more for it. But if it is just a standard box, just top and bottom, then I doubt very much if you will get more than $20 or $30 for it. There are lots of PanzerBlitz games out there for sale, punched and unpunched. They are fairly numerous except of course for the original editions. Same goes for PanzerLeader and Arab/Israeli Wars.

I am very leery of buying shrinkwraped games from other than a retailer or original publisher. There have been many scams on eBay where people have bought supposed original shrinkwrapped games only to find blank paper and cardboard inside. Not saying what you have is not real, but many people are like me and would prefer to know what's inside before buying. I don't think being shrinkwrapped makes a game all that much more collectable or valuable. It's what's inside that makes the game worth something.

Now if I knew that shrinkwraped PanzerBlitz game you have was one of the originals with the shiney black and red counter backs and was unpunched, I might give you $50 for it. I am curious. Does it appear to be a gamebox slipped inside an outer sleeve box?

That's a pretty funny dilemma. Suppose you buy a shrink-wrapped game because it is that way and you intend to keep it that way. You intend to sell it for a profit later, and when that day comes your buyer doesn't want to keep it shrink-wrapped, -then- it's discovered there was nothing of any value inside the box (no game). In such a situation, how does the seller come off good or innocent? Does he say he never opened it, and that he must had been the one originally ripped off? This puts the whole issue of something being shrink-wrapped into the realm of the absurd, when you realize, that if shrink-wrap is what places more value on it, you will never break it, and therefore never know what is truly inside.

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RE: Value of games found... - 1/25/2008 2:28:33 PM

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Or you could open it, check the contents and then take it down to a local software or music/video store an ask someone there to reshrink-wrap it for you. ;) I used to work at a place where sometimes during shipment the shrink-wrap would get torn off or damaged and we had a machine that we could reshrink-wrap the items and put them on the shelves and of course no one was the wiser that they had been repackaged. ;)

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RE: Value of games found... - 1/25/2008 3:00:33 PM

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Or you could open it, check the contents and then take it down to a local software or music/video store an ask someone there to reshrink-wrap it for you. ;) I used to work at a place where sometimes during shipment the shrink-wrap would get torn off or damaged and we had a machine that we could reshrink-wrap the items and put them on the shelves and of course no one was the wiser that they had been repackaged. ;)

Well yes, I knew about that sort of thing, but I fear a great deal of the world does not, elsewise why so highly value the fact it is shrink-wrapped? I guess if we hammered a wooden box around it, something no software store does, that would guarantee the true authenticity of the contents so much better wouldn't it?

No, make that a steel box instead, with a guarantee that it has never been opened, all made possible from some supposed impartial commission. Why, such a unheard of procedure would make the contents priceless. And then, once you opened it of course, it would just as valueless as any other game not in a shrink-wrapped, wood-wrapped, or steel-wrapped state.

Ha, ha, this shrink-wrapping business reminds me of that old One Tin Soldier song.

Go ahead and hate your neighbor
Go ahead and cheat a friend
You can do it in the name of Heaven
You can shrink-wrap it in the end

Well I was talking more about the rock in the song which everybody thought had such a great treasure underneath, but it's nice to butcher a portion of the song as well.

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RE: Value of games found... - 1/25/2008 3:42:58 PM

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sysrkm,

If the PanzerBlitz game is one of the original editions, it has the game box tucked into an outer sleeve box, then you might get $50 or more for it. But if it is just a standard box, just top and bottom, then I doubt very much if you will get more than $20 or $30 for it. There are lots of PanzerBlitz games out there for sale, punched and unpunched. They are fairly numerous except of course for the original editions. Same goes for PanzerLeader and Arab/Israeli Wars.

Hi Dave,

I VAGUELY remember the versions you're talking about. I think the last time I saw one of these is when I bought all of the copies of the PB, PL and AIW games, which was at a going out of business sale for a game store in Pasadena Texas. Given time, I'll remember the name of the store as it was part of a chain of stores in several states. I think the copies that I have in and out of shrinkwrap are the same versions, so I'll check the open one when I get home for a version number. BTW, mine are the top and bottom with no sleeve.

I am very leery of buying shrinkwraped games from other than a retailer or original publisher. There have been many scams on eBay where people have bought supposed original shrinkwrapped games only to find blank paper and cardboard inside. Not saying what you have is not real, but many people are like me and would prefer to know what's inside before buying. I don't think being shrinkwrapped makes a game all that much more collectable or valuable. It's what's inside that makes the game worth something.

I appreciate your viewpoint. I'm leery of buying used ham radio equipment, but thanks to the over all integrity of our service\hobby, getting burned in sales of used or NIB equipment doesn't happen very often. But ALL of these had shrinkwrap on them when I bought them and the copies that are opened are from the same batch, so I don't think I got ripped off.
I would also tend to agree with you that having the original shrinkwrap on it doesn't make it more valuable, but for some people it makes it more desireable, and that's good for me.

Now if I knew that shrinkwraped PanzerBlitz game you have was one of the originals with the shiney black and red counter backs and was unpunched, I might give you $50 for it. I am curious. Does it appear to be a gamebox slipped inside an outer sleeve box?

As I said above, it's not one of the versions you speak of. Shucks.I'm trying to remember what year I bought these, I'm guessing it was 2 wives ago <grin> so the latest it could have been was 1986.

Finally, thanks for taking the time to reply and impart your opinion, it's most appreciated.

Regards, Rob

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RE: Value of games found... - 1/25/2008 4:48:23 PM

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Try this site that sells out of print games for an idea of the market value of your collection:

http://www.nobleknight.com/ViewManuf.asp_Q_CategoryID_E_13

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RE: Value of games found... - 1/25/2008 5:18:10 PM

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Now if I knew that shrinkwraped PanzerBlitz game you have was one of the originals with the shiney black and red counter backs and was unpunched, I might give you $50 for it. I am curious. Does it appear to be a gamebox slipped inside an outer sleeve box?

Actually, the very first copies of Panzerblitz had counter-backs that were matte-red and matte-black and had kind of a coarse, crepe-paper texture. The backs could/would tear easily when separating the counters from the trees. It wasn't long at all before the "shiny," more survivable replaced the originals. Those are something to look for, though, if you're a collector.

Shrinkwrapping really means nothing. It's in fact a great way for an ebay seller who unloads stuff "as is" to screw people by wrapping up a game that's punched, abused, and otherwise of little value. Then they can claim that they didn't know because they couldn't examine the contents before sale, "Sorry, fella, caveat emptour." For that matter, I saw a copy of 1914 advertised on ebay that was marked as SW even though that title went out of print before AH starting using shrink-wrap!

And while I'm on ebay, let me warn everyone about a fella operating out of Dallas, TX who hawks counterfeit parts, counters in particular to buyers, claiming that they are new. He also sells a lot of expansion-module parts as new. In point of fact, he makes the parts himself and is simply screwing people right and left. I've seen him discussed on several forums like this one, and he's changed his seller-name several times because so many people have reported him as a fraudster.

I can remember thinking that ebay was the coolest place on earth to trade in games, but I've found that I've got to be REALLY careful about who I do business with over there, lest it all be a waste of my time and money.

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RE: Value of games found... - 1/25/2008 5:43:52 PM

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I never have and never will sell a game once it's been added to my collection. I'm too much of a pack rat!

I have well over 150 boxed board wargames with at least another 50 magazine games, as well as at least 250 computer games.

If I want an out of print game I don't have or a replacement for a worn out one I do have I go to the KnobleKnights site I linked above and buy from a reputable merchant rather than an unknown quantity on EBay.

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RE: Value of games found... - 1/25/2008 11:59:46 PM

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Actually, the very first copies of Panzerblitz had counter-backs that were matte-red and matte-black and had kind of a coarse, crepe-paper texture. The backs could/would tear easily when separating the counters from the trees. It wasn't long at all before the "shiny," more survivable replaced the originals. Those are something to look for, though, if you're a collector.

Like the old saying goes, "You learn something new every day." Never heard of those first counters. Those matte back counters must have been on the very first print runs. I bought my first PanzerBlitz within months of the game first coming out so they must have replaced them very quickly. Not sure when they stopped using the shiny backs but I think it was within a year or two. I have three other PanzerBlitz games and they all have plain white backs. (Before I painted them black and red with a magic marker.) My wargame buddies and I used to create Corps sized PanzerBlitz scenarios using a dozen-plus boards. Oddly enough with about four or more players it was quite playable. Now that was some fun wargaming.

About buying games off eBay, I've bought about ten or so from there and haven't been ripped off yet. As I said earlier, I'd never buy a shrink-wrapped game. Just too risky. I've always bought from sellers who show a photo of the games contents and I also send at least one or two emails to ask questions. I figure if I get reasonable answers I can trust the seller. If the seller doesn't respond at all to my emails, I don't bother bidding.

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RE: Value of games found... - 1/26/2008 5:48:49 AM

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Or you could open it, check the contents and then take it down to a local software or music/video store an ask someone there to reshrink-wrap it for you. ;) I used to work at a place where sometimes during shipment the shrink-wrap would get torn off or damaged and we had a machine that we could reshrink-wrap the items and put them on the shelves and of course no one was the wiser that they had been repackaged. ;)

But that leads to the wrong kind of shrinkwrap. The soft pliable kind is the modern type, the original shrikwrap type is styrene like ridgid and stiff.

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