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ORIGINAL: Froonp
The latest also supports at least a minor port in Port Elizabeth (118k in 1940).

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ORIGINAL: Borger Borgersen

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ORIGINAL: Froonp
The latest also supports at least a minor port in Port Elizabeth (118k in 1940).

I agree we can at least add a minor port in Port Elizabeth. Maybe even a city. Is it also possible to add a minor port in the South African port hex close to the Namibian border? I saw you called the hex Port **** . The **** is not easy to read from the map you showed us.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp
I'm growing in agreement with you, do you know ? You've made strong points, and Johannesburg is really big, compared to all other cities of the 40s. The list I set up shows this blattantly, it is in the top 3 of the large cities not present on the map.

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I know. I heard from friends and colleagues my tendency to dig up lots of strong points in discussions can be quite annoying for some people. But I sometimes have to learn when a "battle" is lost and just accept I can't convince everyone.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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I know. I heard from friends and colleagues my tendency to dig up lots of strong points in discussions can be quite annoying for some people. But I sometimes have to learn when a "battle" is lost and just accept I can't convince everyone.

You know, people should not view discussions as "battles", and think about winning or loosing them, this leads to too many wrong discussions that lead to nowhere but dead ends. Discussions are ways to learn things, and everyone wins in discussions . I find it as pleasing being convincted by the other's sound points, than convincting people with my own good points.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

Here is what South Africa looks like with Johannesburg (554k inhabitants) and Port Elizabeth (118k).

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

And here is what California looks like with Long Beach.
I removed the Signal hill name, as it was cluttering the map too much.

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ORIGINAL: ajds

The little bump is Palos Verdes, and Long Beach is of course to the east of it, so putting Long Beach in the hex to the east of the bump makes sense to me. I doubt anyone could call Long Beach moutainous, but things do get hilly in Orange County and down towards San Diego, so the hex as mountainous is reasonable. Adding the Long Beach city makes sense from a variety of directions, not least because the greater Los Angeles area had more than one population center. Thumbs up from me - as usual, excellent work.

Port Hueneme (or whatever the spelling is) could be a minor port in one of the mountain coastal hexes to the west of Los Angeles, but the coast north of Palos Verdes is all beach or rocks through Malibu and beyond, so no port along there (I am referring to the coast in the Los Angeles clear hex).

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I say this because the Kaiser steel mills were historically in the San Bernardino area east of Los Angeles, served by the Eagle Mountain iron mine even further east. I am not suggesting there isn't significant resources in the coastal mountains where the current resource marker is, I just am not aware of them, but the Kaiser mills and related mine were substantial in the WWII timeframe. In addition there was and is quite a bit of strategic mineral mining in the desert hexes to the northeast of Los Angeles (notably potash and cement), supporting the resource on that side of Los Angeles

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ORIGINAL: Froonp
Thanks, I was in doubt with the port facilities of Los Angeles proper. I removed the minor port.
I'm in doubt with the factory being placed in Long Beach. Is this realistic ?
Also, what about this strait hexside ? Shouldn't it be between Long Beach and the islands, rather than between LA and the islands ?

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

The latest also supports at least a minor port in Port Elizabeth (118k in 1940).

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ORIGINAL: Borger Borgersen

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

Here is what South Africa looks like with Johannesburg (554k inhabitants) and Port Elizabeth (118k).

Looks great to me.

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ORIGINAL: iamspamus

Yeah, I'd agree. I thought that Port Elizabeth was larger even than East London. Isn't that right?

Jason

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: iamspamus
Yeah, I'd agree. I thought that Port Elizabeth was larger even than East London. Isn't that right?

Jason

Cities & Ports of South Africa, in 1940 & 1944 (Source : Collier 1940 & 1944 atlases) :

- Bloemfontein : 51k.
- Cape Town : 352k.
- Durban : 270k.
- East London : 47k.
- Johannesburg : 554k.
- Port Elizabeth : 118k.
- Pretoria : 138k.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

We also re-did the mouth of the Cauca River area in Colombia.
Comments ?

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ORIGINAL: Zorachus99
You should not be able to sail CV's into Maracaibo Lake. The seadot cannot be easily rationalized. There is no major port even.

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ORIGINAL: Zorachus99
You should not be able to sail CV's into Maracaibo Lake. The seadot cannot be easily rationalized. There is no major port even.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: Zorachus99
You should not be able to sail CV's into Maracaibo Lake. The seadot cannot be easily rationalized. There is no major port even.

The pictures from space that I posted show that you are right, but changing it would require :
- Making Maracaibo Lake a Lake in WiF FE terms, that is that the link between it and the sea would be what ? River ? Canal like the Zuider Zee ? Nothing fits here neither. Neither River nor Canal, that is the Lake touches the sea ? This would be the only place where this would show.
- Having Steve code a rule similar to the Gibraltar Rule, that would say that you can access the shores of Maracaibo Lake (104,316, 104,317, 105,315, 105,317, 106,316, 106,317) only if Maracaibo is not in enemy hands.

Moreover, as the bit of the WiF FE map I posted is showing, the 2 OIL resources can be shipped to sea directly from their hexes without going through Maracaibo, so having Maracaibo Lake as a Lake in WiF FE terms would change that.

All this said, frankly this is a tiny issue, how often will MWiF's CVs enter MWiF's Maracaibo Lake I wonder, but I think that they never will.

We'd better let it be how it is.

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ORIGINAL: Borger Borgersen

Here is some info about Lake Maracaibo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Maracaibo

It has brackish water and acts like a major shipping route according to Wikipedia. It also seems oil supertankers enter the ports there and load oil. One of these supertankers crashed with the bridge linking the city of Maracaibo with the rest of Venezuela. This happened in 1964.

So I definitely think it's no problem keeping the all sea hex inside Lake Maracaibo. The lake doesn't have fresh water and even supports supertankers. So I guess warships could have sailed into the lake if they wanted to.

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ORIGINAL: marcuswatney
Paraguay:  The border with Bolivia is pre-1938.  The Chaco War (1932-35), an appallingly bloody war fought under the mistaken belief there was oil there, resulted in a Paraguayan victory.  The border was adjusted so that it heads west from the Paraguay River, then turns sharply south-southwest.  The Gran Chaco is a general term covering a vast stretch of land from Argentina into Paraguay.  It is probably best to remove this name, as the word Chaco is associated with Paraguay.  Perhaps put 'The Chaco' in NW Paraguay in commemoration of the massive loss of life all for nothing?