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RE: The End of the British Empire? - 2/7/2008 6:36:12 PM   
anarchyintheuk

 

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Status: offline 		Quick question. . . how are the exp. levels of your chinese corps now?

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RE: The End of the British Empire? - 2/7/2008 6:47:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, the overall experience of the chinese corps is very good. I'd say that the 70-80% of them are between 55 and 65.
The real problem is the morale...which is almost everywhere very low (around 20-25...)....


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RE: The End of the British Empire? - 2/7/2008 6:53:50 PM   
anarchyintheuk

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, it's not like the chinese army has too many inspirational commanders.

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RE: The End of the British Empire? - 2/7/2008 7:29:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		More gamey news - the only purpose for that AK being where your carriers hit it was to act as a tripwire to warn him if your carriers were coming out to play.

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RE: The End of the British Empire? - 2/7/2008 7:35:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: witpqs

More gamey news - the only purpose for that AK being where your carriers hit it was to act as a tripwire to warn him if your carriers were coming out to play.



The good news is, at some point in time there wont be any tripwires left.
Ringing the alarm every once in a while keeps him alerted and he may become a bit used to 'wrong' alarms...

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RE: The End of the British Empire? - 2/7/2008 8:02:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Man I've learned more gamey tactics in this thread then probably anywhere else.

Who's your opponent, just so I know, because I prefer to not ever play a guy that's going to exploit the game system like I've seen here.

When a player does crap like this, I have absolutely no confidence he'd stay "out" of this thread becasue you ask. Is your opponent allowed to read this thread (can't remember), because if not, I'll bet you real money that he is.


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China's crumbling - 2/7/2008 10:19:48 PM   
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Guys...the situation in China is terrible!!!
He brought (don't ask me from where or how?!) nearly 4000 AVs at Canton!!!...he pushed me out of the city with a bloody shock attack...and now the whole southern front is in danger!!!! His tanks followed the attack and now Wochow is probably going to fall very soon......Plans for a general evacuation of everything south of Tsuyung are already been distributed to our troops...the final decision hasn't been made yet, but.... At Wochow there's only a static corp...400 AVs in total...and don't have anything to send there right now...
He's moving back to Changsha also.....

At Karachi he started the land bombardment...supply is still at 280,000...good! My CVs are going back towards Aden....we'll pay another visit in the near future...let's see if i can annoy him.
Anyway, it really seems that he just want to siege Karachi, without any real intent of assaulting it...i don't consider this a real terrible option...but at the same time i have to be very cautious in the pacific and everywhere else now...
An RCT is moving to Midway Island in order to reinforce that base...just in case...want to keep my pacific routes well safe.


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Day Air attack on Ponape Coastal Gun Regiment, at 73,80

B-17s are resting...time for some 2Es from Eniwetok to suppress a bit that CD unit at Ponape.

My CVs are on the move, along with 8 BBs...will be interesting


Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 12
A-20B Boston x 13
B-25C Mitchell x 7
B-26B Marauder x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
90 casualties reported
Guns lost 1



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Day Air attack on TF, near Tacloban at 44,57

A lonely AK trying to send supplies to Manila...

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-I Lily x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Empire Bruce, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage



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Ground combat at Canton

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 147378 troops, 755 guns, 405 vehicles, Assault Value = 3704

Defending force 22916 troops, 56 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 515

Japanese max assault: 3748 - adjusted assault: 5739

Allied max defense: 472 - adjusted defense: 361

Japanese assault odds: 15 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
2700 casualties reported
Guns lost 75
Vehicles lost 4

Allied ground losses:
2327 casualties reported
Guns lost 11


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!


The worst situation.....
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Ground combat at Nanchang

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 2646 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 373

Defending force 52303 troops, 246 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1571

Japanese max assault: 6 - adjusted assault: 0

Allied max defense: 1262 - adjusted defense: 410

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 6)


Japanese ground losses:
73 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Another suicide attack....what the **** is doing?!?!?






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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8930 troops, 187 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2732

Defending force 128034 troops, 1113 guns, 725 vehicles, Assault Value = 2687



Allied ground losses:
87 casualties reported
Guns lost 5






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RE: China's crumbling - 2/7/2008 10:31:20 PM   
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Whenever it gets glum for you-just think of our game!

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RE: China's crumbling - 2/7/2008 10:34:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: 1275psi

Hang in there general
Whenever it gets glum for you-just think of our game!

PS. LOOOOOOOOOOOVED the Nuns outfit





This nun?






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RE: China's crumbling - 2/7/2008 10:37:02 PM   
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RE: China's crumbling - 2/8/2008 12:03:31 AM   
Elladan

 

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Status: offline 		He seems to have a bloody lot of LCUs everywhere. Is it possible the troops at Canton are an avangarde of his India Army? Also, do you have the data about his current AV strength in various areas as compared to his AV total at start + reinforcements up to date? Could be useful to make an educated guess about his capabilities.
As for China, if he really wants to fight there and brings massive reinforcements there is little zou could really do. Best option would be probably to pull him deeper into China and hold at a favourable terrain, e.g. Tuyun/Kweiyang area. Will you lose a lot of supply production by abandoning southern provinces?
Karachi - Can we congratulate you the successful defense now or should we wait few weeks more? Leaving holding force there is probably the best option for Japanese now, but it also means the whole India endeavour was a waste of time for him :)
Central Pacific - it's the most important area for the grand strategy. The key now is to neutralize KB threat, which is easiest to do at this stage of war by luring him into a battle close to a lot of LBA. Any plane losses you may incur are quite easily replacable. His aren't.


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RE: China's crumbling - 2/8/2008 12:20:47 AM   
Gen.Hoepner


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ORIGINAL: Elladan

He seems to have a bloody lot of LCUs everywhere. Is it possible the troops at Canton are an avangarde of his India Army? Also, do you have the data about his current AV strength in various areas as compared to his AV total at start + reinforcements up to date? Could be useful to make an educated guess about his capabilities.
As for China, if he really wants to fight there and brings massive reinforcements there is little zou could really do. Best option would be probably to pull him deeper into China and hold at a favourable terrain, e.g. Tuyun/Kweiyang area. Will you lose a lot of supply production by abandoning southern provinces?
Karachi - Can we congratulate you the successful defense now or should we wait few weeks more? Leaving holding force there is probably the best option for Japanese now, but it also means the whole India endeavour was a waste of time for him :)
Central Pacific - it's the most important area for the grand strategy. The key now is to neutralize KB threat, which is easiest to do at this stage of war by luring him into a battle close to a lot of LBA. Any plane losses you may incur are quite easily replacable. His aren't.




He's surely less strong in the northern sector of China...today events, even if really discouraging for me, showed that he has very few units there...however i'm not strong enough to do any real damage to him there...maybe some annoyances, but nothing more.
My guess is that all those troops at Canton are those who conquered Luzon last month...he left there just enough to block any Manila springing up and then moved everything he had in terms of naval units to Canton...the pacific at this stage is still very very undefended!

At Karachi he's surely not going to take the city anytime soon...nor he seems to even try to do that....279800 supplies today...still very good!
Sooner or later Karachi is going to be relieved...and then the whole Indian front will become a real problem for him

In one week and a half we'll be landing at Ponape...hold your breath guys!


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/25/42


Today could have been an interesting day in China...but my troops performed really bad...and now i will probably have to face the idea that the southern perimeter must be shriked and so the whole Changsha-Hengchow etc...area abbandoned

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Day Air attack on Changsha , at 45,37

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54
G3M Nell x 24
G4M1 Betty x 53
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 36
Ki-21-II Sally x 34
Ki-49 Helen x 117
Ki-15 Babs x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
145 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 165


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Day Air attack on Kwajalein , at 81,84

Usual raid at Kwajalein..my bombers are really experienced now. Around 70

Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 24
B-25C Mitchell x 53
B-26B Marauder x 53


Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
50 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 15
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 1

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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
Ki-21-II Sally x 129
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 9 damaged


Allied ground losses:
173 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 59



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Ground combat at Changsha

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3010 troops, 73 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6842

Defending force 202020 troops, 955 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5186



Allied ground losses:
203 casualties reported



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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8944 troops, 188 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2733

Defending force 129686 troops, 1146 guns, 725 vehicles, Assault Value = 2692



Allied ground losses:
50 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Kaifeng

I wanted to catch him off guard here at Kaifeng...and i managed to do that...but the adjusted assault, despite the supplies were at a good level, was so bad that we achieved only a 1-1

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 130738 troops, 647 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3428

Defending force 43105 troops, 129 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 623

Allied max assault: 3018 - adjusted assault: 588

Japanese max defense: 672 - adjusted defense: 579

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3


Japanese ground losses:
796 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Allied ground losses:
3736 casualties reported
Guns lost 47



At Manila...supplies today dropped to 11,800....





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RE: China's crumbling - 2/8/2008 12:42:33 AM   
Elladan

 

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Status: offline 		You were crossing a river at Kaifeng. That doesn't help. Will you be able to repeat the attack anytime soon? That could potentially cause him enough problems to draw significant forces from the south.

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RE: China's crumbling - 2/8/2008 12:46:55 AM   
Gen.Hoepner


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ORIGINAL: Elladan

You were crossing a river at Kaifeng. That doesn't help. Will you be able to repeat the attack anytime soon? That could potentially cause him enough problems to draw significant forces from the south.



I'll wait a pair of turns, then i'll try a deliberate attack...but i bet he's already sending some units there (a simple division will be enough) and for sure hundreds of planes will target our guys there from the next turn...but however i'll give it a try

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RE: China's crumbling - 2/8/2008 1:26:52 AM   
Gen.Hoepner


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Guys...38 units are advancing towards Whocow...cannot hold anything under these conditions...the general plan for the retreat to a new perimeter is on the way.
Timing will be decisive in order to save as much units as i can....
The idea is to form a first perimeter...abbandoning Changsha and getting ready to move back.
Soon i'll have to get back also in the north...gotta be very cautious from now on with the supplies in China...the months ahead will be terrible for the chinese theatre...

As predicted he sent hundreds of bombers over my units at Kaifeng...and already a unit is advancing in reinforcing his positions there...no way


Ah, it's official: he's leaving Malir with most of his units...leaving at Karachi only 2700 AVs (5 divisions)...Karachi won't fall...at least

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Night Time Surface Combat at 42,52

Japanese Ships
PG Myoken Maru
PG Shinko Maru #3

Allied Ships
AK Empire Baxter, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

another lonely AK that tried to send some supplies to Malina...sunk
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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 33
Ki-49 Helen x 145
Ki-46-II Dinah x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 2 destroyed, 18 damaged


Allied ground losses:
252 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 50

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Day Air attack on Honan , at 49,31

At first he bombed Honan in order to burn some of my supplies in the backyard of my army at Kaifeng...

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 45
Ki-21-II Sally x 30
Ki-49 Helen x 102
Ki-15 Babs x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 2 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 5 damaged
Ki-15 Babs: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 73



Then...hundreds of bombers bombed my units at Kaifeng....
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Day Air attack on 28th New Chinese Division, at 44,35

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 18
Ki-15 Babs x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 76th Chinese Corps, at 51,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 10
Ki-15 Babs x 1

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on 31st Chinese Corps, at 40,38

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 12

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on 34th Chinese Corps, at 51,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 10

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on 61st Chinese Corps, at 51,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 10
Ki-15 Babs x 1

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on 61st Chinese Corps, at 51,32

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 14
Ki-15 Babs x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
39 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 55th Chinese Corps, at 51,32

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 15

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 5th Chinese Cavalry Corps, at 51,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on 5th Chinese Cavalry Corps, at 51,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 90th Chinese Corps, at 51,32

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 11
Ki-15 Babs x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
41 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 22nd Chinese/C Corps, at 52,28

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 24
Ki-51 Sonia x 10

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
47 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 4th Chinese/A Corps, at 43,40

Japanese aircraft
D3A2 Val x 17

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 47th Chinese Guer./C Corps, at 50,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 6
Ki-15 Babs x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported



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ASW attack at 88,75

Finally we caught one of his damned subs patrolling south of Wake...

Japanese Ships
SS I-9, hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Russell
DD Hammann
DD Anderson
DD Hughes
DD Sims
DD Warrington







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RE: China's crumbling - 2/8/2008 11:06:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/26/42

Guys...38 units are advancing towards Whocow...cannot hold anything under these conditions...the general plan for the retreat to a new perimeter is on the way.
Timing will be decisive in order to save as much units as i can....
The idea is to form a first perimeter...abbandoning Changsha and getting ready to move back.
Soon i'll have to get back also in the north...gotta be very cautious from now on with the supplies in China...the months ahead will be terrible for the chinese theatre...

As predicted he sent hundreds of bombers over my units at Kaifeng...and already a unit is advancing in reinforcing his positions there...no way




38 units? Think about this! Your opponent certainly likes to split his units. You encountered at least one of his CEA divisions in the PI. Is it possible that he already moved some sizeable forces from India to China? I would not order a general retreat in China without any intel about the composition of his forces.

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RE: China's crumbling - 2/8/2008 11:15:32 AM   
Mistmatz

 

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ORIGINAL: Kereguelen


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/26/42

Guys...38 units are advancing towards Whocow...cannot hold anything under these conditions...the general plan for the retreat to a new perimeter is on the way.
Timing will be decisive in order to save as much units as i can....
The idea is to form a first perimeter...abbandoning Changsha and getting ready to move back.
Soon i'll have to get back also in the north...gotta be very cautious from now on with the supplies in China...the months ahead will be terrible for the chinese theatre...

As predicted he sent hundreds of bombers over my units at Kaifeng...and already a unit is advancing in reinforcing his positions there...no way




38 units? Think about this! Your opponent certainly likes to split his units. You encountered at least one of his CEA divisions in the PI. Is it possible that he already moved some sizeable forces from India to China? I would not order a general retreat in China without any intel about the composition of his forces.



I agree, although this sounds like a serious threat I'd recommend to gather some intel first. Do you fly recon missions with your chinese LB's?

Unless your opponent is going for Wuchow - Liuchow you don't need to fall back right away. If you are lucky his Canton troops head for Hengchow instead in an attempt to sack the Changsha forces. Of course Changsha would have to be abandoned anyway...
Difficult situation.

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RE: The End of the British Empire? - 2/8/2008 11:18:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think it's time to form one or two ASW task forces in Aden (maybe send the CVs back alone and use their escorts immediadely). Those I-Boats are helpless against british destroyers, you can make his dense picket line costly.

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RE: The End of the British Empire? - 2/8/2008 2:03:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Beware of paras attacks on non base hexes as he already did in India. Timed with massed assaults thanks to river crossing and armored rgt shockatttack+pursue he would be able to destroy most of your army at Hengchow-Changsha by forcing it to retreat on non rail/road hexes.Suggest you evacuate Changsha now and secure river crossing northwest of it. If he cut this road while he drives hard toward Kweiling you will lose the whole central zone.

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RE: China's crumbling - 2/8/2008 2:26:14 PM   
Gen.Hoepner


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ORIGINAL: Kereguelen


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/26/42

Guys...38 units are advancing towards Whocow...cannot hold anything under these conditions...the general plan for the retreat to a new perimeter is on the way.
Timing will be decisive in order to save as much units as i can....
The idea is to form a first perimeter...abbandoning Changsha and getting ready to move back.
Soon i'll have to get back also in the north...gotta be very cautious from now on with the supplies in China...the months ahead will be terrible for the chinese theatre...

As predicted he sent hundreds of bombers over my units at Kaifeng...and already a unit is advancing in reinforcing his positions there...no way




38 units? Think about this! Your opponent certainly likes to split his units. You encountered at least one of his CEA divisions in the PI. Is it possible that he already moved some sizeable forces from India to China? I would not order a general retreat in China without any intel about the composition of his forces.


Sure he did! the 18th Division is advancing in the Canton army towards Whochow!!...many other units are going back from Malir...so i guess he's using some units already used in India...!

Two turns in a row.
He sent two TFs to Karachi...not to bombard it...he unload a small fragment there,why? because doing that he swept nearly 500 mines and made me burnt some 6,000 supplies!!!...don't ask me how...or why...but seems that defending the beaches, even against some 100 enemy men, makes you burn a LOT of supplies...

We abbandoned Nanchang, moving everything i could towards Changsha...and at the same time he moved back to Changsha...with 35 units!!!, while his tanks are already at Whochow, waiting for the other 30 units from Canton...i'm trying to send some reinforcements to Whochow...let's hope
Going bck from Kaifeng (sp?)...there's no way i can force him to retreat from there...he has already reinforced the base


At Ponape we're sending our DMS to sweep mines at full speed...he's sending tons of subs to lay his mines...will be a minewar

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/27/42

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TF 1046 encounters mine field at Ponape (73,80) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

6 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
DMS Wasmuth

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TF 39 encounters mine field at Karachi (21,3)

Japanese Ships
MSW W.18
MSW W.15
MSW W.12
MSW W.9
MSW W.8
MSW W.7
MSW W.6
MSW W.4
MSW W.3
MSW W.2
AP Michiyu Maru, Mine hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported

So which is the purpose of this????????
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Ground combat at 43,40 North of Canton...3500 AVs pushed me back to Whochow...

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 147550 troops, 675 guns, 407 vehicles, Assault Value = 3430

Defending force 14940 troops, 30 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 335

Japanese max assault: 6766 - adjusted assault: 7172

Allied max defense: 290 - adjusted defense: 9

Japanese assault odds: 796 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
1819 casualties reported
Guns lost 31
Vehicles lost 8

Allied ground losses:
3917 casualties reported
Guns lost 14


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!






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RE: The End of the British Empire? - 2/8/2008 2:33:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TenChiMato

Beware of paras attacks on non base hexes as he already did in India. Timed with massed assaults thanks to river crossing and armored rgt shockatttack+pursue he would be able to destroy most of your army at Hengchow-Changsha by forcing it to retreat on non rail/road hexes.Suggest you evacuate Changsha now and secure river crossing northwest of it. If he cut this road while he drives hard toward Kweiling you will lose the whole central zone.


Oh, if he wants to do that i really cannot do anything about it...he can use his paras everywhere in China in that way...
However i'm waiting to save the last 1200 AVs that are coming out of Nanchang before leaving Changsha...

However i asked him not to do that this time in China...


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/28/42

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TF 39 encounters mine field at Karachi (21,3)

TF 39 troops unloading over beach at Karachi, 21,3


Japanese Ships
MSW W.18
MSW W.15
MSW W.12
MSW W.9
MSW W.8
MSW W.7
MSW W.6
MSW W.4
MSW W.3
MSW W.2
PG Iwate
AP Kenbu Maru, Mine hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
PG Idzumo

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Coastal Guns at Karachi, 21,3, firing at TF 39
291 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AP Unyo Maru #2, Shell hits 2
PG Idzumo, Shell hits 8

Japanese ground losses:
27 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported


Again???

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TF 1046 encounters mine field at Ponape (73,80) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

7 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
DMS Long, Shell hits 1

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TF 1057 encounters mine field at Ponape (73,80) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

6 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
DMS Hovey

mmmmm....a lot of mines at Ponape....
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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
Ki-49 Helen x 136
Ki-46-II Dinah x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 3 destroyed, 27 damaged


Allied ground losses:
282 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 41
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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
Ki-21-II Sally x 122
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 5 destroyed, 22 damaged


Allied ground losses:
120 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 100

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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
G3M Nell x 98
G4M1 Betty x 156

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 29 damaged


Allied ground losses:
154 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Airbase hits 21
Airbase supply hits 12
Runway hits 165



My flak at Karachi did a great job today!
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Ground combat at Nanchang

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 26039 troops, 84 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 416

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese max assault: 794 - adjusted assault: 387

Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 387 to 1 (fort level 6)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Nanchang base !!!


Empty...good

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Ground combat at Karachi

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 96083 troops, 1022 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2714

Defending force 133095 troops, 785 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2733


Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

This useless bombardment was cause by his landings....6000 supplies burnt






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RE: The End of the British Empire? - 2/8/2008 3:14:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner
This useless bombardment was cause by his landings....6000 supplies burnt


The supplies aren’t all burned up G.H., combat increases your units daily supply requirements by about 50%-100%. So check your units, they probably pulled the 6,000 supplies to meet requirements and will dump most of it back into the base after a turn or two of no combats.

Air bombardment of units also increases their daily supply usage, but airstrikes and naval bombardments on the base or port shouldn’t increase your unit’s daily usage demands.

Jim

Edit: To get an idea of how much extra supply these attacks actually burn up, total your units on-hand supply and divide it by 30. Then do that again when their daily usage drops and compare the two numbers. Your units use 1/30th of their on-hand supply each day. So the difference between the two numbers is the amount of extra supplies these attacks cause you to burn each day (plus whatever the ground combat itself burns up when your equipment items fire at his attackers).

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RE: The End of the British Empire? - 2/8/2008 5:37:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do not understand the supply usage here. Karachi suffered 25 supply hits. So why don't you lose more supplies? If the rule "1% per supply hit" was correct, these hits should burn more than 40k!

I think you should constandly keep his Aden picket line busy. This is his "alarm bell", and you should make it ring at least once every week. Send ASW ships, send the CVs to sink another picket ship, let his Glens spot some of your AKs etc. pp. Even if you don't plan any concrete action at the moment, this will probably pay dividents in the future. Without those frequent false alarms, you will never be able to surprise him with anything from Aden.

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RE: The End of the British Empire? - 2/8/2008 5:52:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi all.
For what concerns paras in China, the answer initially was "NO". Then, after a long and difficult discussion we've found a deal. No paras in non-base hex but i have to retreat from the northern part of China (so to say Kaifeng and Yengtu).
I was retreating anyway from there so i told him that if he doesn't agree with my request of no-paras it doesn't matter. I'll keep on playing, knowing that the threat is lingering there.

One more thing guys.
As i ask you some time ago i must re-request you to refrain yourself from any comment about Trollelite behaviour, play-style or whatever you think of him. Please. He cannot read this thread and so he cannot defend himself. So i find myself in the horrible position to be caught in the middle of two fire-guns...have to defend you readers from his complaints (because he knows what you think of his game-style) and defend him from your attacks here....
I ask you this because i'd like to stick this AAR only on a strategical and tactical point of view.

Hope you understand.

Thx

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RE: The End of the British Empire? - 2/8/2008 5:53:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bogo Mil

I do not understand the supply usage here. Karachi suffered 25 supply hits. So why don't you lose more supplies? If the rule "1% per supply hit" was correct, these hits should burn more than 40k!

I think you should constandly keep his Aden picket line busy. This is his "alarm bell", and you should make it ring at least once every week. Send ASW ships, send the CVs to sink another picket ship, let his Glens spot some of your AKs etc. pp. Even if you don't plan any concrete action at the moment, this will probably pay dividents in the future. Without those frequent false alarms, you will never be able to surprise him with anything from Aden.



Bogo, simply i think that rules has never worked. Supply consumption is a complete mistery!!!! Holy Graal!

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RE: The End of the British Empire? - 2/8/2008 5:55:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

quote:

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner
This useless bombardment was cause by his landings....6000 supplies burnt


The supplies aren’t all burned up G.H., combat increases your units daily supply requirements by about 50%-100%. So check your units, they probably pulled the 6,000 supplies to meet requirements and will dump most of it back into the base after a turn or two of no combats.

Air bombardment of units also increases their daily supply usage, but airstrikes and naval bombardments on the base or port shouldn’t increase your unit’s daily usage demands.

Jim

Edit: To get an idea of how much extra supply these attacks actually burn up, total your units on-hand supply and divide it by 30. Then do that again when their daily usage drops and compare the two numbers. Your units use 1/30th of their on-hand supply each day. So the difference between the two numbers is the amount of extra supplies these attacks cause you to burn each day (plus whatever the ground combat itself burns up when your equipment items fire at his attackers).



mmmm...i'll try to figure it out Jim...will do a deep check next turn!
Thanks mate!


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RE: The End of the British Empire? - 2/8/2008 6:02:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bogo Mil

I do not understand the supply usage here. Karachi suffered 25 supply hits. So why don't you lose more supplies? If the rule "1% per supply hit" was correct, these hits should burn more than 40k!

I think you should constandly keep his Aden picket line busy. This is his "alarm bell", and you should make it ring at least once every week. Send ASW ships, send the CVs to sink another picket ship, let his Glens spot some of your AKs etc. pp. Even if you don't plan any concrete action at the moment, this will probably pay dividents in the future. Without those frequent false alarms, you will never be able to surprise him with anything from Aden.


I *think* the 1% rule should be read as possibly causing up to 1%. So a supply hit on a base with 10000 supplies could cause anywhere from 0-100 supplies to be destroyed depending on die rolls. Only someone with knowledge of the code could confirm this, but it makes sense given what we see happening in games.

I know in my current PBEM game, my Manila supplies dried up a lot faster than I am used to seeing them go down. Singapore on the other hand took a lot longer to kill off the supplies than usual, so I think it's simply the luck of the dice when it come to how much of that 1% gets destroyed.

Also don't forget his base is producing supplies every day (less now that it is occupied, but it still produces 200 a day I think), so some of what gets killed gets replaced each turn, so it mitigates the damage caused somewhat.

Jim


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RE: The End of the British Empire? - 2/8/2008 6:54:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		There could also be some sort of cap in the software on the number of supplies that can be destroyed per hit or per turn.  So at bases with lots and lots of supply, individual hits are limited to less than 1%. 

It would also make sense that fortification level was taken into account in the supplies lost per hit, too.  The Allies bombed Rabaul heavily for a long time once it was isolated, and the Japanese still had quite a bit of supplies when it surrendered at the end of the war.  Many of the supply dumps had been moved underground where they were safe from bombing (or theoretically drive-by style bombardments although there weren't really any performed).  Not saying that the game does take forts into consideration, but it would make sense if it did.

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RE: The End of the British Empire? - 2/9/2008 2:56:31 PM   
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A bad day.

At Karachi his BBs are back hammering the place and causing a massive distruption.
SS Sturgeon, that was laying mines there, tried to attack the enemy ships but got pounded and now he's going back to Aden...but the damage is very hard and i doubt he'll make it.

At Ponape my DMSs today got hit hard by his CD guns, which, after 2 weeks of heavy bombings, are still firing hard and precise!
3 important ships are now out of order...
However we're almost ready to attack Ponape!

In China...well, we had the deal: he's not going to use his paras in non-base hexes and i retire from the northern sectors (Kaifeng and Yangku).....

However we've almost saved the Nanchang army...but now Whochow is really in danger...i doubt i'll be able to save it...We'll have to get back and shrink our perimeter...it will be a pain...

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TF 39 encounters mine field at Karachi (21,3)
He swept almost 500 mines in a single day

Japanese Ships
MSW W.18
MSW W.15
MSW W.12
MSW W.9
MSW W.8
MSW W.7
MSW W.6
MSW W.4
MSW W.3
MSW W.2
AP Kashiwa Maru, Mine hits 1, on fire

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Sub attack at 20,3

Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga
DD Inazuma
DD Kasumi
DD Arashio
DD Michishio
DD Oshio

Allied Ships
SS Sturgeon, hits 6, on fire...torpedo got dude again

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TF 1097 encounters mine field at Ponape (73,80) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

13 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
DMS Lamberton, Shell hits 1...ouch

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TF 1102 encounters mine field at Ponape (73,80) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

14 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
DMS Dorsey, Shell hits 2, on fire...ouch

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TF 1131 encounters mine field at Ponape (73,80) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

17 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
DMS Elliot, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage..double ouch!!!!

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro
BB Hyuga
BB Mutsu
BB Kongo


Allied ground losses:
6340 casualties reported
Guns lost 128
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 62
Port hits 4
Port supply hits 2



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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7
Ki-49 Helen x 133
Ki-46-II Dinah x 6

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
PBY Catalina: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 33

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Day Air attack on Kwajalein , at 81,84

His flak is still working well here....

Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 20
B-25C Mitchell x 41
B-26B Marauder x 46


Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 3 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 31
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 1


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Ground combat at Changsha

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 403140 troops, 2162 guns, 27 vehicles, Assault Value = 9379...*35 units are back at Changsha, while 44 are advancing towards Whochow...*

Defending force 166676 troops, 814 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4241



Allied ground losses:
381 casualties reported




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RE: The End of the British Empire? - 2/9/2008 3:00:15 PM   
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And then it comes the CAs' turn at Karachi....Which now has 274,000 supplies...still enough
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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
A-20B Boston: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Furutaka
CA Nachi
CA Haguro
CA Myoko
CA Tone


Allied ground losses:
1695 casualties reported
Guns lost 18

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 73
Port hits 3
Port supply hits 6


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Day Air attack on Ponape Coastal Gun Regiment, at 73,80

Let's hammer a bit those bastards!!!!!


Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 7
A-20B Boston x 11
B-25C Mitchell x 8
B-26B Marauder x 9
B-17E Fortress x 57


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
204 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
Ki-21-II Sally x 103
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 69

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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 49
G3M Nell x 97
G4M1 Betty x 169

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 168



Now April is over. In May we can upgrade the british fighters...the first will be the fulmars aboard our carriers...the SeaHurricanes will be a good upgrade!
Britain called back 1 BB and 2 DDs...not bad..i can give them back easily
My US CVs are 3 days far from Eniwetok. We're gonna see some action very soon in the Pacific!




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