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Research Material - 1/22/2001 5:11:00 AM   
jonhooper

 

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Status: offline 		Although I've been gaming for years, its usually from the American perspective. Are there any good books out there on German small unit tactics, both armor and infantry? I've bookmarked many internet sites which I've gotten off of this forum, but you can never have too much reading material.

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- 1/22/2001 9:29:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some pretty good books on this theme would be: Anvil of War, Tsouras Fighting in Hell, Rauss-Tsouras Small Unit Actions during the German Campaign in Russia, CMH I've found these very helpful. Good scenario ideas, too!..WB ------------------ In Arduis Fidelis Wild Bill Wilder Coordinator, Scenario Design Matrix Games

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- 1/22/2001 9:40:00 AM   
jonhooper

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks Wild Bill. Seems like I'm saying that alot lately.

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- 1/22/2001 9:45:00 AM   
jonhooper

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks Wild Bill. Seems like I'm saying that alot lately.

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- 1/22/2001 10:05:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since this is a Research Material topic I figgered I would add some more sites that I found really good that you may want to chick out. France 1940, very nice site http://members.tripod.com/~France40/index.html#Army Norway 1940, The best site that I have seen on Norway campaign and one of the best WW2 sites in my mind. http://hem.fyristorg.com/robertm/norge/ Military Historic Panzer Battles! A OK site http://www.xs4all.nl/~gjlingen/ Polish Campaign 1939 Not a bad site, the best I have seen yet on this campaign. http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/~rzepinsk/1939/index2.htm Battle of the Bulge Best site on this battle that I have found. http://users.skynet.be/bulgecriba/battlebul.htm The Battles of Winter War The best site I found on the winter war http://www.winterwar.com/ This site has a very nice timeline of WW2. http://www.euronet.nl/users/wilfried/ww2/main.htm Just for something deffrent, this is a really nice U-boat site. http://uboat.net/ A nice site on armour http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/4635/ A nice site devoted to the Panther http://members.tripod.com/~dietmagic/panther.html PKKA Site with some nice info on the Red Army. http://www.dol.ru/users/hotdog/home.htm Finland in World War II A ok site on the Winter War http://www.hkkk.fi/~yrjola/war/finland_wwii.html/ Two of the best map sites I have found. http://www.dean.usma.edu/history/dhistorymaps/WWIIPages/WWIIEurope/WWIIEToC.htm http://www.lib.utexas.edu/Libs/PCL/Map_collection/historical/history_ww2.html#European Some nice OOB sites Armoured Formation Profiles http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/8418/#top ORDER OF BATTLE OF THE UNITED STATES ARMY WORLD WAR II http://www2.army.mil/cmh-pg/documents/eto-ob/etoob-toc.htm WWII Orders of Battle and Organizations http://www.freeport-tech.com/WWII/000_admin/000oob.htm A nice armour Pic site http://www.inf.upol.cz/~stepanos/ww2.html Some interesting Pics http://members.nbci.com/KievPapa/germany.htm WWII Statistics Some interesting stats. http://www.angelfire.com/ct/ww2europe/stats.html A nice site on The 1st Canadian Parachute Battalion. http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/bsmills/UNIT_HISTORY/unit_history.html Some interesting info on the normandy compaign at this site. http://home.swipnet.se/normandy/ Will thats all for now, more thin likely I will add more later.

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- 1/22/2001 10:41:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Would also highly recommend the works of David Glantz (Eastern Front).

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- 1/22/2001 11:51:00 AM   
jonhooper

 

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Originally posted by Drake: Since this is a Research Material topic I figgered I would add some more sites that I found really good that you may want to chick out. France 1940, very nice site http://members.tripod.com/~France40/index.html#Army Norway 1940, The best site that I have seen on Norway campaign and one of the best WW2 sites in my mind. http://hem.fyristorg.com/robertm/norge/ Military Historic Panzer Battles! A OK site http://www.xs4all.nl/~gjlingen/ Polish Campaign 1939 Not a bad site, the best I have seen yet on this campaign. http://mops.uci.agh.edu.pl/~rzepinsk/1939/index2.htm Battle of the Bulge Best site on this battle that I have found. http://users.skynet.be/bulgecriba/battlebul.htm The Battles of Winter War The best site I found on the winter war http://www.winterwar.com/ This site has a very nice timeline of WW2. http://www.euronet.nl/users/wilfried/ww2/main.htm Just for something deffrent, this is a really nice U-boat site. http://uboat.net/ A nice site on armour http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/4635/ A nice site devoted to the Panther http://members.tripod.com/~dietmagic/panther.html PKKA Site with some nice info on the Red Army. http://www.dol.ru/users/hotdog/home.htm Finland in World War II A ok site on the Winter War http://www.hkkk.fi/~yrjola/war/finland_wwii.html/ Two of the best map sites I have found. http://www.dean.usma.edu/history/dhistorymaps/WWIIPages/WWIIEurope/WWIIEToC.htm http://www.lib.utexas.edu/Libs/PCL/Map_collection/historical/history_ww2.html#European[/ URL] Some nice OOB sites Armoured Formation Profiles [URL=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/8418/#top]http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/8418/#top ORDER OF BATTLE OF THE UNITED STATES ARMY WORLD WAR II http://www2.army.mil/cmh-pg/documents/eto-ob/etoob-toc.htm WWII Orders of Battle and Organizations http://www.freeport-tech.com/WWII/000_admin/000oob.htm A nice armour Pic site http://www.inf.upol.cz/~stepanos/ww2.html Some interesting Pics http://members.nbci.com/KievPapa/germany.htm WWII Statistics Some interesting stats. http://www.angelfire.com/ct/ww2europe/stats.html A nice site on The 1st Canadian Parachute Battalion. http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/bsmills/UNIT_HISTORY/unit_history.html Some interesting info on the normandy compaign at this site. http://home.swipnet.se/normandy/ Will thats all for now, more thin likely I will add more later.
Thanks Drake, guess I'll be up reading most of the night.

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- 1/22/2001 11:53:00 AM   
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Originally posted by Panzer Captain: Would also highly recommend the works of David Glantz (Eastern Front).
I appreciate the information Panzer Captain.

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- 1/22/2001 11:44:00 PM   
Marcus Wendel

 

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Status: offline 		Try http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/ A book you might try is "Panzertaktik: German Small-Unit Armor Tactics" by Wolfgang Schneider. I have not read it but it is supposed to be very good. /Marcus [This message has been edited by Marcus Wendel (edited January 22, 2001).]

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- 1/23/2001 4:47:00 AM   
jonhooper

 

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Originally posted by Marcus Wendel: Try http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/ A book you might try is "Panzertaktik: German Small-Unit Armor Tactics" by Wolfgang Schneider. I have not read it but it is supposed to be very good. /Marcus [This message has been edited by Marcus Wendel (edited January 22, 2001).]
I'll check it out Marcus, thanks.

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- 1/23/2001 10:43:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		And still... http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usamhi/dl/atoz.htm Handbook on German Forces (TM 30-410), May 1945, Chaps IV-VII ---> 40,5 MB size download with some good information on german tactics. RockinHarry

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- 1/24/2001 2:31:00 AM   
jonhooper

 

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Originally posted by RockinHarry: And still... http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usamhi/dl/atoz.htm Handbook on German Forces (TM 30-410), May 1945, Chaps IV-VII ---> 40,5 MB size download with some good information on german tactics. RockinHarry
Outstanding site. Looks like I'll be reading this afternoon.

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- 2/1/2001 4:50:00 AM   
panda124c

 

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Status: offline 		I stumbled arcoss this site the other day http://members.aol.com/super6th/ 6th Armoured Division WWII very interesting the personal account talks about tatical orginization and formations a little. I wonder, it might be possible to find other WWII histories and sites by searching on the unit.

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- 2/1/2001 5:12:00 AM   
Wild Bill

 

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Status: offline 		Great stuff, guys. Thanks for sharing. And you are very welcome big Jon. I hope you can find those books. Some are out of print. Wild Bill ------------------ In Arduis Fidelis Wild Bill Wilder Coordinator, Scenario Design Matrix Games

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- 2/1/2001 8:11:00 AM   
skukko


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Status: offline 		Hi, I had time while waiting forum re-open, so, don't forget Feldgrau http://www.feldgrau.com/ and here is one interesting page, if tactics is your goal: http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/wwii/20234/20234.html and finally good page to start: http://www.wrightmuseum.org/wwII.htm mosh

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- 2/18/2001 3:34:00 PM   
skukko


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Status: offline 		http://www.thehistorynet.com/general/articleindex/worldwar.htm http://www.britwar.co.uk/lists/index.htm http://www.geipelnet.com/war_albums/otto/ow_011.html bumping this to top also mosh

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- 2/20/2001 3:22:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		А не забывать наших российских товарищей! http://www.translate.ru/eng/erre.asp is needed here: http://nav.webring.yahoo.com/hub?ring=eastfront&id=30&err=2&list ____________- RockinHarry

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- 2/28/2001 10:23:00 PM   
skukko


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Status: offline 		http://rkka.domainvalet.com/h-tacts.htm sovjet armor tactics against Tigers and stugs. Also some nice pics and great attitude

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- 3/1/2001 12:31:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Deserves a bump... goldmine of info!

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- 3/1/2001 1:24:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I find this to be a very useful document......"Handbook On German Military Forces" (Chapter on German Tactics). It can be found at: http://hpssimulations.com/support/customfiles.htm#Miscellaneous It is downloadable too.

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- 3/1/2001 6:38:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Try Thomas L. Jentz "Panzertruppen" on german tanks. Developpment, tactics, experiences, numbers. It is the best I found. He worked for 25 years on that.

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- 3/2/2001 9:33:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Drake: Excellent post on Norway including the great web site! Thanks! Bruce

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- 3/21/2001 1:54:00 AM   
skukko


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Status: offline 		Time to bumb. Keep posting good links here, so they stay under one title. mosh

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- 3/21/2001 10:28:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		THIS IS A TREASURE OF INFORMATION!!! :rolleyes: Thanks to all. My girlfriend are going to kill me, but... It´s the war. :D

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- 4/3/2001 1:45:00 PM   
skukko


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Status: offline 		Now when WB's school is out, I thought that this deserves a bump...

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- 4/3/2001 10:17:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		You may want to look at www.schifferbooks.comthey mostly have books on specific weapons systems, but they do offer some on tactics. Several are by Thomas Jentz, who was mentioned in earlier posts.

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- 5/18/2001 6:19:00 PM   
skukko


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Status: offline 		Just thought that again its time to bump. Some of the older links may not work... http://members.nbci.com/RedSteel/horror.htm http://history.vif2.ru/library/archives/ http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/ armored vehicles http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/2130/ http://www.sotahl.mil.fi/index.htm of Finns in WW2 http://www.rickjoshua.co.uk/wittmann/ostf4142.html mosh

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- 8/14/2001 9:30:00 PM   
skukko


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Status: offline 		http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar
Lots of stuff when you've time to dig.. http://members.nbci.com/redsteel/introduction.htm
Sovjet armor in pix http://www.eliteforcesofthethirdreich.com/ (updated link) yeah, thought its time bump this again mosh

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- 8/14/2001 9:40:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		One more, a Gold mine about Canadian forces 1940-1948 : http://www.dnd.ca/hr/dhh//history_archives/engraph/cmhq_e.asp Thanks all for info,
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- 8/14/2001 10:05:00 PM   
Les_the_Sarge_9_1

 

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Status: offline 		I have seen plenty of good references to fine web sites, but when you want a source to getting books you can read in the john you need the Military Book Club (its part of Doubleday). No I aint soliciting for the club, I am a member and have been buying books through them for years.
I aint saying they are cheap or even close to it. Military reference is a niche market, forget cheap right now. But they market books you wont be finding on any book shelves any time soon either. Most of my gems in my library I found through them. Quality hardcovers that were worth the serious funds too. Trick is to use yer opening purchases to get the expensive titles. Then resubscribe and do it again after buying 4 cheap options (effectively makes price more palatable). I have several examples of German unit actions that I have bought this way.

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