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Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/10/2008 1:29:57 AM

marcusm

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Maybe not the best place to ask but I ask anyway because I also
wonder if any of the Matrixgames quit working after SP1? Or were before.

I have XP on my laptop currently but Vista is also there in the "F11 backup".
I hated Vista so much I went through quite a bit just to put XP back.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/10/2008 3:16:06 AM

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No noticeable difference here. I already tweaked Vista silly and it was rock solid on my desktop. On my lappy I went to XP Tablet but that wasn't MS's fault, it was Lenovo's for crappy restoration programming.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/10/2008 9:40:32 PM

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I hear Bill Gates announced that some new version of Windows will be available next year......If true that stops my plans to buy a laptop cold.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/10/2008 9:52:29 PM

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Vista can come out with 10 service packs and I still will never buy that OS.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/10/2008 9:55:06 PM

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I hear Bill Gates announced that some new version of Windows will be available next year......If true that stops my plans to buy a laptop cold.

It won't be available next year (2009), perhaps 2010 if you're lucky, 2011 is a better bet.
Many people misunderstood the statements Gates made concerning what's next.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/11/2008 12:38:40 AM

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He is now on my ahole list because I got screwed by his stupid vista. He should have stuck with what was working just fine. I have nothing but problem after problem with that OS. When I went to Circuit city to have vista replaced by xp, they said that Bill made all the new computers so that it could not be accessable to any other OS including xp, so I'm stuck with this ****.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/11/2008 12:44:28 AM

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He is now on my ahole list because I got screwed by his stupid vista. He should have stuck with what was working just fine. I have nothing but problem after problem with that OS. When I went to Circuit city to have vista replaced by xp, they said that Bill made all the new computers so that it could not be accessable to any other OS including xp, so I'm stuck with this ****.

WHo told you that?
Tell the little pencil neck at Circuit City he is wrong.
You can easily change Vista for XP yourself.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/11/2008 12:44:48 AM

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Well. My main question was actually whether SP1 made any difference.
My desk neighbour at work claims it did. But he has 4 gigs and now that Vista
apparently recognizes all 4 he saw some difference.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/11/2008 12:52:28 AM

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you can use up to 16gb of RAM with Vista, which of course loves to waste it.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/11/2008 12:59:17 AM

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I guess that's just another example of a salesman who will stop at nothing to get his sale. Guess I'm gonna have to call on him on that one. Thanks Gem35.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/11/2008 1:19:12 AM

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There is a catch though. The new HP laptops has SATA drivers lacking in
XP installation cd.s. You have to manually slipstream. Wasn't that painful but I hated
the fact that you had to do it. Force feeding crap on people like that.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/11/2008 3:15:55 PM

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You can easily change Vista for XP yourself.

I don't agree. And if so, it can't be done "easily". Also, it depends on computer bought.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/11/2008 3:48:25 PM

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Vista can come out with 10 service packs and I still will never buy that OS.

amen! I'm staying with XP and Ubuntu, will give Bill Gates last chance with Windows 7 after that Ubuntu only...

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/11/2008 11:08:29 PM

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No speed increast all Vista SP1 or not is useless in IMO the OS looks nice but is horrible and bloatware. Windows Vista is quickly becoming the Windows ME release if you all recall that version! Windows ME failed as well and even Microsoft is embarrased of it until Windows 2000 came out that fixed everything Windows ME broke. Then Windows XP which is IMO the best OS Microsoft has ever released they are already quickly talking about Windows 7 as if they are trying to cover Vista and how bad it is.... very similar as it was with Windows ME quickly cover it up and talk about the next version which at that time was going to be Windows 2000.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/11/2008 11:11:44 PM

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No noticeable speed increase though my "performance index" went up slightly.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/11/2008 11:49:18 PM

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quote:

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quote:

You can easily change Vista for XP yourself.

I don't agree. And if so, it can't be done "easily". Also, it depends on computer bought.

MB

My 13 yr old daughter can open a cd/dvd rom drive, slip in the installation disk and follow the on screen prompts.
As long as a computer has the minimum requirements for XP then it is simple to install.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/12/2008 3:16:32 AM

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When I went to Circuit city to have vista replaced by xp, they said that Bill made all the new computers so that it could not be accessable to any other OS including xp, so I'm stuck with this ****.

This is simply not true.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/12/2008 11:35:31 PM

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I updated to SP1 and my graphically punishing game performance improved a bit.

For instance, I didn't change the gfx settings on my LoTRO & use DX10 w/ dynamic shadows & all the good stuff... I got an extra 4-6 fps out of it after SP1. Also, file transfers are faster (as they weren't working as fast as they should) including slightly less load time.

Also... whomever mentioned that their friend had 4GB RAM and it wasn't recognizing it... that's not the reason SP1 is faster. 32bit Windows can only use 3.25GB of RAM and Vista would only say it had 3.25GB RAM even though 4GB is installed when you checked the computer info. Now, it'll tell you it has 4GB but it can still only utilize 3.25GB. It only displays the full amount installed - didn't change anything. You'd have to use a 64 bit version to use it all.

Overall, my 32 bit Vista Ultimate has been working great after I tweaked some settings. I've since installed XP MediaCenter on a separate partition & dual-boot my machine but I've not had to use XP for anything as of yet. Fortunately one of the things I like about Vista is being able to resize partitions inside windows itself. Of course, casual users could easily get frustrated w/ Vista. I understand that.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/13/2008 1:30:08 AM

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Just remember who "told you so" about Vista a longgggg time ago even before it was released. Vista was just another money grubbing release out of MS just like ME was before XP. I'll keep an eye on this Windows 7 as it is more than likely going to be the stable one and the proper one after XP. The vibes on Windows 7 are much better than they were for VISTA. I knew it, I told you and some of you just didn't listen. ;)

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/13/2008 5:05:42 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gem35

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He is now on my ahole list because I got screwed by his stupid vista. He should have stuck with what was working just fine. I have nothing but problem after problem with that OS. When I went to Circuit city to have vista replaced by xp, they said that Bill made all the new computers so that it could not be accessable to any other OS including xp, so I'm stuck with this ****.

WHo told you that?
Tell the little pencil neck at Circuit City he is wrong.
You can easily change Vista for XP yourself.

Technically untrue, but depends if you buy a store bought system or not. Some of the biggies dont have all drivers available for xp anymore so store-bought systems might do some funky stuff with xp.You will be ok with scratch built ones. Putting Vista on a xp system(stupid,but happens) is easier than the other way around.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/13/2008 5:31:00 AM

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When I went to Circuit city to have vista replaced by xp, they said that Bill made all the new computers so that it could not be accessable to any other OS including xp, so I'm stuck with this ****.

This is simply not true.

While I believe that the Circuit City crew was misleading him, it is true that there are no XP drivers for many of the laptops that OEM's are currently shipping. That's a fact.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/13/2008 4:18:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: Gem35

My 13 yr old daughter can open a cd/dvd rom drive, slip in the installation disk and follow the on screen prompts.
As long as a computer has the minimum requirements for XP then it is simple to install.

Well, my very good friend who is a 56 yr old technology and computer teacher (

) just can't make XP work properly with his new laptop. Seller told him there would be no problem installing XP ("slip the installation disk and follow the on screen prompts"

), but to many drivers are missing and video card has strange behaviors.

So, my advice is still: don't take for granted that you can buy a new computer, get rid of Vista and install XP easily. Because just too many new PCs don't have the minimum requirements for XP anymore.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/14/2008 3:34:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: Meta Baston

quote:

ORIGINAL: Gem35

My 13 yr old daughter can open a cd/dvd rom drive, slip in the installation disk and follow the on screen prompts.
As long as a computer has the minimum requirements for XP then it is simple to install.

Well, my very good friend who is a 56 yr old technology and computer teacher () just can't make XP work properly with his new laptop. Seller told him there would be no problem installing XP ("slip the installation disk and follow the on screen prompts" ), but to many drivers are missing and video card has strange behaviors.

So, my advice is still: don't take for granted that you can buy a new computer, get rid of Vista and install XP easily. Because just too many new PCs don't have the minimum requirements for XP anymore.

MB

Thats why you can't buy at a big box store anymore unless you want whats out of the box only.

Right now I'm in need of a new system and going to buy from one of the online places where I can build my own steup. Even with shipping it's cheaper...

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/14/2008 3:55:32 AM

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I will gladly take money from you folks who need XP installed on any PC and install it for you. Let me know.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/15/2008 12:23:09 AM

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Here is a step by step program to get Vista out of your life.
-Grasp a 2lb ball pean hammer in your right hand.
-Smash down hard repeatedly upon the offending CPU.
-Remove debris to nearest Barbeque.
-Liberally cover with charcoal lighter fluid.
-Apply lighted match.
roast marshmellows!

Works everytime!

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/15/2008 12:52:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: marcusm

Maybe not the best place to ask but I ask anyway because I also
wonder if any of the Matrixgames quit working after SP1? Or were before.

I have XP on my laptop currently but Vista is also there in the "F11 backup".
I hated Vista so much I went through quite a bit just to put XP back.

Vista basic came on my laptop. In a nutshell it was clunky and slow, this with 2 gigs of ram and amd semprom. I waited for the service pack and it was the same. It is now gone and XP is in its place.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/15/2008 2:58:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: Terl

quote:

ORIGINAL: marcusm

Maybe not the best place to ask but I ask anyway because I also
wonder if any of the Matrixgames quit working after SP1? Or were before.

I have XP on my laptop currently but Vista is also there in the "F11 backup".
I hated Vista so much I went through quite a bit just to put XP back.

Vista basic came on my laptop. In a nutshell it was clunky and slow, this with 2 gigs of ram and amd semprom. I waited for the service pack and it was the same. It is now gone and XP is in its place.

Well, you have a Sempron processor. I've not seen one of those run very swiftly even on XP.

Yet..

I've recently been getting strange USB happenings on Vista. As in.. if I plug a USB device in while it's on, it works just fine. But.. If I try to restart with the new USB device plugged in... it doesn't. Acts like it can't read the boot drive until I unplug the newly plugged-in USB device. Did it for a USB headset, did it for a printer, did it for an external hard drive all at separate times. The XP partition booted up but I'm still wondering if my board's USB situation is goin' tits-up. The testing continues.

Also... I loved XP after my initial bitching back when it was released, too. Hell, I'd likely be using XP by default if it weren't part of my job to get a feel for the ole Vista gal. Well, that and have you seen full DX10 shadow features?! God, it's beautiful so I'll fight for it.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/16/2008 6:08:49 PM

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Is it possibly to buy VISTA ,use it on my old compiuter, and then take it over to my new computer when I get it later? Or will my OS be locked to the first computer I install it on?

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/16/2008 6:40:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: Meta Baston

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ORIGINAL: Gem35

My 13 yr old daughter can open a cd/dvd rom drive, slip in the installation disk and follow the on screen prompts.
As long as a computer has the minimum requirements for XP then it is simple to install.

Well, my very good friend who is a 56 yr old technology and computer teacher () just can't make XP work properly with his new laptop. Seller told him there would be no problem installing XP ("slip the installation disk and follow the on screen prompts" ), but to many drivers are missing and video card has strange behaviors.

So, my advice is still: don't take for granted that you can buy a new computer, get rid of Vista and install XP easily. Because just too many new PCs don't have the minimum requirements for XP anymore.

MB

Most people who build their own machines (like me) don't waste a minute logging onto the web and downloading current XP drivers for all devices that need them. The drivers on the CD are so out of date they usually aren't worth using anyway, so the CD lacking necessary drivers is a non-excuse.

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RE: Vista SP1 did it do anything for speed? - 4/16/2008 7:09:17 PM

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I've recently been getting strange USB happenings on Vista. As in.. if I plug a USB device in while it's on, it works just fine. But.. If I try to restart with the new USB device plugged in... it doesn't. Acts like it can't read the boot drive until I unplug the newly plugged-in USB device. Did it for a USB headset, did it for a printer, did it for an external hard drive all at separate times. The XP partition booted up but I'm still wondering if my board's USB situation is goin' tits-up. The testing continues.

Vista is trying to boot off the USB device. If it's really making you crazy, you might want to check in your BIOS to see if you can turn the "feature" off. It's great when you need it, BTW.

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