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RE: VP--Industrial Report April 1943 - 4/14/2008 6:43:57 AM

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I am here Kind Sir!� Life has been beyond busy.� I have notes for about 6 weeks worth of action and I NEED about an hour of time to write a comprehensive report.� It has been driving me nuts to get things written.

When one has a 4 year-old and 2 year-old and has become a stay-at-home Dad, it gets a little interesting. There has been on-going life complication in our household that makes things difficult to get much done. Perhaps I will explain this fairly soon...

In all seriousness, I will work on an update tomorrow and get something in.� Current game turn in April 10th.

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Australia Summary - 4/14/2008 11:29:11 PM

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Australia

Over the last 6 weeks I reached the decision point of abandoning my assault on Sydney and Melbourne. As thought by members of this Forum, I did not stand much of a chance in taking either urban center and since I had to watch BOTH at once, my large army had to be split in two.

I made a 3 division assult on February 21st. The odds were HORRIFIC and my divisions got hit pretty hard. Rather then destroy an army that averages 95-98 experience, I immediately begin my planned redeployment to hold Australia for as long as possible. This will be a delaying action to buy as much time as possible to keep the Allies away from New Guinea and the DEI.

To be honest, there was an additional consideration. I had real fear of losing Rangoon and/or Moulmein so I knew that I needed to pull troops out to buttress those locations. In realizing this and seeing the futility of assaulting an urban hex, I ordered 2 full strength Infantry Divisions (16th & 48th) as well as the 1st and 3rd Tank Divisions to load out and head for Soerabaja. They reached this base on April 3rd and are resting as well as regaining their complete strength. These troops will be used in forming a coutnerattack against the Allied Forces in Burma.

I pulled back most of the Japanese Air Force there as well for training. There are now 6 Sentai and Daitai of Fighters spread through Adelaide, Newcastle, and Brisbane. There are 4 Daitai of Betty sitting at Devonport and Newcastle waiting for any supply convoys to arrive. I have 6 Daitai/Sentai of Fighters training as well as 5 Sentai of Army bombers reprovisioning and waiting at Perth.

Once the decision to pull back had occurred it was only necessary to figure out which units went where and establish various defensive lines for my troops to fall back on. To build up Adelaide, Broken Hill, and Brisbane Forts, I absolutely HAD to have the time to accomplish this. All my engineers and about 75% of my Base Forces withdrew to these locations as well as Kalgoorlie, Alice Springs, and Rockhampton. This set of six cities form my first and second lines of defense against the Allied counterattacks.

Dan--quite nicely--has given me the time to accomplish this. I left behind 2 Inf Div and support troops at both Port Kembla and Newcastle. A blocking force remained at Albury to keep the troops at Melbourne from getting too frisky. During the last six weeks or so, Dan has hit Port Kembla twice for no result and Albury once with the same effect. In all three times he has quickly pulled back after a single attack. This gives me more time to get my Forts raised at the cities listed above.

My vision is the Italian Campaign being refought throughout Australia. I want to tie down LOTS of his troops and free up mine for action. To that effect I have already pulled out:

1. The 2 Inf Div and 2 Tk Divisions now at Soerbaja.
2. 2 Inf Brigades now redeploying to New Caledonia (which was woefully weak)
3. 3 Aviation Regiments being sent to various locations.

I will pull more troops once Dan realizes that he can attack...

Here is how Australia currently looks:

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Burma Summary - 4/15/2008 12:50:50 AM

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Burma Summary

If Dan's goal in attacking Burma was to distract me from other places, it succeeded magnificently. I first thought that Meiltila would hold indefinately but was wrong. I then thought the same for Rangoon but have BARELY held on by my fingernails! A HUGE--for I consider a USELESS Theatre of Operations--Japanese Army is now in place here. havcing said what I think of the Theatre, I am now contemplating serious counterstroke designed to clear the entire Theatre by middle of the summer.

My noble opponent invested Rangoon in mid-February and I have watched it fortunes sink and then rise over the last 8 weeks of time. The city is now firmly mine with little chance of Dan taking it. Forts just hit 9 and I have an Assault Strength (AS) of 2300 that is climbing rapidly.

Why have I been able to hold it? Very simple answer: AIRPOWER! I have averaged 250-280 Fighters (Tony and Zero about 50-50) flying CAP over the hex. I have decimated Dan's Liberators and Wellingtons over and over. He has tried Fighter Sweeps from Meiktila and I have still maintained control as well as inflicted an average of 2-1 casualties against his fighters (including P-38s). Moulmein supplements this with another 80-100 fighters and an equal number of bombers. It is April 1943 and I control the skies over my army!

Beyond that little snippet, I have stationed BBs Mutsu/Nagato with 12 DD off the coast of Rangoon and they bombard the Allied Forces everyday for anywhere between 125--500 Cas with 3-10 Guns destroyed.

With air and sea control, I can move troops and supplies around at will. This is how I have won this battle so far.

The screenshot I am attaching details the smaller bases but I don't have room for what is at Rangoon and Moulmein. Let me put that down here:

Rangoon Air 373 Assault Strength 2,272 Fort 9
2nd Air Fleet HQ, 28th Army HQ, 19th Inf Div, 15th ID--C, 5 Brigades, 4 smaller Inf Units, 4 Tank Reg, 3 Artillery Regiments, 2 Eng Reg, and 12--various sized--Base Forces.

Air: 271 Fighters, 70 Bombers, and 10 Recon

This city has supplies over 35,000 and the AS is climbing by 10-15 points everyday.

Moulmein Air 165 Assault Strength 1,350 Fort 8/03
Burma Area Army, 15th Army HQ, 22nd Air Flotilla, 3rd Air Division, 4 Inf Div (21st, 31st, 33rd, 38th), 1 Brig, and 6--various sized--Base Forces.

Air: 64 Fighters, 85 Bombers, and 34 Transports

Supplies running about 25,000 and these beat-up Inf Div are regaining strength at about 8-15 per day.

The Counterstroke:
As mentioned in my Australian report I have 4 full strength Divisions (2 Infantry and 2 Armored) in Soerabaja right now. The Assault Strength of these units is nearly 1,800. I have attached an Army HQ and plan to put them into the theatre pretty quick.

To create further chaos, I have both Parachute Regiments at full strength sitting in Tavoy right now with plenty of Transport strength to drop them wherever I want...

As mentioned in my "Is this an INSANE Idea for April 1943" thread in the War Room, I have thought about launching this thunderbolt into India. I got a lot of good thoughts from people but have swung over to accept the reality of Allied Airpower being too much to try such a bold and risky move. I've dominated this war by being bold and risky--with some luck and intelligence--and I cannot help but agree that landing in India would be suicide and cost prohibitive.

This; therefore, leaves a more conservative move. I think I will land all these units in Moulmein and launch them--plus the rebuilding Inf Divisions--across the river and try to dislodge the 18 units sitting directly east of Rangoon. If I can then I will drive northwards with all my forces to take Meiktila and Magwe. The Magwe prong will pivot and try to cut off retreating units above Moulmein.

To do this will require my bringing up a number of bombers to support the offensive. Those bombers are in Australia at the moment. I'll get these 200 bombers and add them to my current 200 and TRY to drive Dan back to Mandalay...

That is the plan. Any thoughts?

Here is the screenshot:

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China Summary - 4/15/2008 2:17:30 AM

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China Summary

Anyone who has ever read my AARs know that I HATE CHINA and only see it as a way to gain troops for my operations elsewhere. Much to my chagrin, I think that is about to change...

To Recap:
1. Throughout the war I have pulled Chinese troops out to garrison my islands, atolls, and enable my offensive against Australia to occur.
2. Dan realized what I was doing and then started to massively airlift troops from China into Burma causing chaos there.
3. Dan still thinks he can attack in China and take cities. Three times this has been proven to be wrong.

In the latest instance, the Chinese invested Canton with nearly 11,000 Assault Points of Strength!

Having only 3 Inf Div stationed there, I panicked initially but then found out that this was EASILY plenty to hold off the Chinese hordes. My opponent withdrew about 2 weeks ago and is fishing around for another target.

My guess is that he will come after Hanoi again.

While moving to reinforce this city, I notied that I am coming up on a HUGE set of reinforcements. I get over 7 Japanese Infantry Divisions throughout China about May 15th. What dawned on me is that if I link these fresh troops with what is already deployed in the south of China, I will have a MASSIVE Army to assault southern China with. I don't want to take too many risks with these troops and figure that this area is the best and safest for me to attack.

Let me detail what is where and then you can see my proposal on the screenshot.

Hanoi AF 6 Forts 9 Air 175 Assault 361
Troops: 5th Inf Div (rebuilding from Taung Gyi), 22nd Ind Mix Brigade, 1 Art Reg, 1 AA unit, 2 BF.

Air: 123 Fighters, 27 Bombers, 12 Transports and 9 Recon

Haiphong Port 6 AF 4 Forts 7/23 Air 90 Assault 100
Troops: Inf Unit and 3 small BF

Reinforcements Arriving from CRB: 60th Inf Div, 10th Area Army HQ, 3rd Cav Reg, 22nd Eng Reg, and 10th Mortar Btn

China:
Canton Pt-6 AF 6 Forts 9 Air 120 Assault 2,350
Troops: 23rd Army HQ, 1st Air Div HQ, 6 Inf Div (26th, 51st, 59th, 69th, 70th, and 110th), 1 Art Reg, and 2 BF

Planes: 72 Fighters

Kanshien AF 1 Forts 9 Air 0 Assault 2,150
Troops: China Expeditionary Army HQ, 12th Army HQ, 5 Inf Div (6th, 27th, 36th, 39th, and 58th), and 1 Brigade

I have an assault strength of 4,500 between these two forces and when I add a further 7 Inf Div (2,800 Assault), this will truly constitute a massive force that will be flung into Southern China. If Dan wants to play here then....

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My Observations - 4/15/2008 3:15:31 AM

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Sir John,
First, I think it was a mistake to post a separate thread on your "Insane" idea somwhere other than on this thread. If you did that against me, i would automatically review my force dispositions and make corrections as needed.

Australia - I would move your blocking force that is NW of Sydney to the hex just NW of there and gain the benefits of it being a wooded hex and thus the x2 combat bonus.

I would consider having the ability to move into Sydney "if" he tries to move into this hex or Port Kembla with too much and not leave enough to defend Sydney. Thus, isolating them from his main base.

Soerabaja - this mobile force should "not" be sent to Burma unless you need it to hold Rangoon and/or Moulmein. I would let it rebuild to max and then move it with sufficient shipping to Palau or Truk to act as your rapid reaction force (Japanese version of the 82nd & 101st Airborne Divisions). That "giant" to the east has got to be getting ready to spring somewhere and this battle will decide the war. Burma and China will always remain side shows.

China - Wuchow has 5 bases within 3 hexes of it from Dan's viewpoint. It will be very difficult for you to close enough of them to gain local air superiority. He can use just about every type of aircraft in this battle. My "insane" battle would be to try to take the base between Ichang and Chungking.

Why?? Even with the Burma road open, his main supply comes through Chungking and this attack will allow you to use your superior aircraft range to greater effect ( apotential air offensive against Chungking will hurt him everwhere in China, IMO). A short ranged air battle is his friend not yours.

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RE: China Summary - 4/15/2008 3:18:43 AM

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Are you sure that those new divisions you'll get in China will come in at full strength? I seem to remember something about troops coming in at 25% strength if there aren't enough armament points in the pool, and I would think 7 divisions would use up a lot of points.

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RE: China Summary - 4/15/2008 4:15:35 AM

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Japanese CVs
Disposition in Mid-April 1943

I have--seemingly--been nothing but upgrading my CV throughout Feb--Mar--April! I still hold a massive edge in Carrier strength and want to use it to maximum effect. This is my current layout of Carriers as well as their current mission:

The Main Striking Force (THE KB)
TF1 CVs Akagi/Kaga and CVL Ryuho (177 Planes) Adm. Nobutani 1 CS, 3 CA, 1 CL, 7 DD AAA Rating: 3,903

TF2 CVs Shokaku/Zuikaku and CV Taiho (219 Planes) Adm. Yamaguchi 4 CA, 2 CL, 7 DD AAA Rating: 5,275

TF3 CVs Hiryu/Soryu and CVL Ryujo (173 Planes) Adm Nagumo 2 BC, 1 CA, 2 CL, 6 DD AAA Rating: 3,799

These 9 CV are currently moving NW away from Pearl Harbor where they were lying in wait to ambush a convoy or two. They were discovered on the 13th of April and Dan sent out ALL of his CVs. I decided NOT to join in battle! They will move north and then head for Pago Pago for another possible raid. All CVs are upgraded until 1944.

TF4 CVs Junyo/Hiyo and CVL Shoho/Zuiho (162 Planes) Adm Nabeta 1 BB, 2 CA, 2 CL, 8 DD AAA Rating: 3,825

This TF is finishing its upgrade in Japan and will head for Pago Pago to rejoin the rest of the KB.

TF5 CVEs Hosho, Kaiyo, Unyo (64 Planes) Disbanded

TF6 CVEs Chuyo, Taiyo, ??? (85 Planes) Disbanded

These CVEs are disbanded at Noumea and will soon be moving to interpose between New Zealand and Australia. For escort they have 2 CA, 4 CL, and 14 DD to spread between them.

Reinforcements
Within the next two months I will gain 2 CV, 2 CVL, and 2 BB/AS Hybrids to add to the Fleet.

Guys--I just saw you notes but am headed out for a family walk that ends with ice cream. Will write back in a little while...

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RE: China Summary - 4/15/2008 6:34:09 AM

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Mike,

Do you mean that I should take Kweiyang? That is the city SE of Kumming...

I think I comprehend your thought regarding moving the Sydney Blocking Force the hex closer to the city. Anything to raise the defensive value would be good. I have 2 Tk Reg and a Brigade sitting there.

As to the creation of a Rapid Deployment Force in the Pacific, I am already in the process of doing that. I have 1 1/2 Inf Divisions in Kwajalein refitting with another Brigade headed there. I intend to do a massive set of screenshots with base compositions within the next couple of days so one can view the perimeter. The Outer Perimeter is solid. I am currently beginning to create the Inner Line...

Posting that "Insane" Thread was quite purposeful. I WANT Dan guessing as to me doing something CRAZY! Whether I do or not isn't relevant. Anything that makes him wait an extra week or two, change his mind about something, draw units away from an area, etc...makes for solid work. It is a little bit of psychological warfare against my opponent.

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RE: China Summary - 4/15/2008 6:46:20 AM

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That could be the city in China. I forgot its not in CHS, so I just gave you a general place.

Looks like you need to become a counter puncher for the rest of this game, Mr Ali.
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RE: China Summary - 4/15/2008 7:06:40 AM

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Sting like a HORNET!

I do so enjoy the campaigns when they shift to give and take and where one can stil land some surprises here and there.

I'll seriously think about your China proposal. The only problem is location. Nearly all my troops are on the eastern side of China and not near Kumming. Hmm...

As to Lameduck's thought, I BELIEVE that those new Japanese Inf Div come in at about 75% strength. Not completely sure though...

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RE: China Summary - 4/15/2008 3:39:20 PM

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How many Armament and Vehicle points do you have in your pools?

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RE: China Summary - 4/15/2008 10:09:16 PM

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My stats in those areas are:

Armament 572 (72,150)
Vehicles 171 (1,293)

What might you think of that!

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Northern Perimeter - 4/15/2008 11:34:56 PM

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Here is the Northern edge of the defence perimeter:

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RE: Northern Perimeter - 4/16/2008 4:48:50 AM

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Hey John,

I have been away for quite a while...my interest in Hoplite Warfare has taken me off to learning to mod Rome Total War(I never thought about it before).

But anyway - I see you are still alive and doing well in the Pacific.

I have only one bit of advice for you; at this point Canoerebel can be fat in F6F's, so as soon as you can re-equip with A6M5's - I would do so

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Good luck and keep 'em guessing!

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PS.. The Allies don't get much in the way of Heavy 4E's from 1941-late 1943(historically and in this mod), but that horror will be coming in to play around 9/43...so keep it in mind.

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RE: Northern Perimeter - 4/16/2008 6:28:57 AM

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Brian! Wondered what had happened to you...

This realization settled in with me about April 1st. I KNEW that those F6F would be coming in with his new CVs. I will wait--if I can--for my M5s and then wage the decisive battle within the context of Fall/Winter 1943. In the mean time, my hope is to catch a portion of the Allied Fleet for some victory points. This is why I am ordering a concentration at Pago-Pago where I can then go convoy hunting with nearly all my CVs.

Pago-Pago also leaves me in decent position to counter many of his possible moves...

I have been creaming Dan's Liberators over Burma for months now and I cannot imagine that he has very many in reserve. As to B-17s, I haven't seen many of them for quite a while. THAT makes me nervous!

Jump in anytime with thoughts and ideas. I always appreciate it.

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RE: VP--Industrial Report April 1943 - 4/16/2008 11:41:00 AM

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John, I'm definately not knowledgeble regarding the economic situation of Japan in your current timeframe. Neverthelee I'd appreciate if you could post some number oil/resource/supplies/airframes just to get an idea.

My guess would be that due to the constant action you must be running at the limit?

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RE: China Summary - 4/16/2008 2:59:31 PM

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I'm No expert of Japanese production but it looks like you should have enough armament points for those 7 Divs.

quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

My stats in those areas are:

Armament� 572� (72,150)
Vehicles� 171� (1,293)

What might you think of that!

p.s. The mine defences at Midway would be a shock to many an allied player

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RE: China Summary - 4/16/2008 8:20:17 PM

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Mistmatz--Go back to the previous page of the AAR and you will find April's Economic Summary that includes everything you ask about. I do a monthly economic/VP update so people can watch the development of the Japanese economy throughout the war.

Tallyho--I THINK there is enough to outfit them all! Additionally, I have a VAST pool in manpower right now so that should help as well. The mines are something I abhor but since the Allies seemingly love them then I am doing the same. I have a TF of 1 MLE and 11 ML who are moving from base-to-base dropping off about 10,000 mines is 5 days of work and then they move on...

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RE: China Summary - 4/17/2008 1:33:50 AM

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I am really enjoying this AAR.
After reading this AAR I made up my mind and will play the Japonese side for know on

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RE: China Summary - 4/17/2008 1:56:40 AM

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"I have a TF of 1 MLE and 11 ML who are moving from base-to-base dropping off about 10,000 mines is 5 days of work and then they move on... "

Putting the MLE with the MLs is an excellent idea I had never considered. Saves all that time travelling back to port to pick up another load of mines. I imagine it eats up a fair amount of the supply at your frontline base but that's no biggy.

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Northern Perimeter - 4/17/2008 3:06:52 AM

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I came onto that idea only about April 1st. I got REALLY tired of sending my ML out to drop their mines, they then return, and so forth... This has REALLY speeded up the process!

I send them as 1 TF and then separate the the MLE from the ML and off they run. Supply does drop but not nearly as much as I thought it might.

Have some time tonight to--hopefully--do the screenshots of the Outer Perimeter. Have started creating the Inner Perimeter as of the 1st as well. I get a massive influx of reinforcements on June 1st and will use them to harden the close-in bases. Am mainly sending Con Btn and small Base Forces out to Marcus, the Marianas, Palau, etc...

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RE: Northern Perimeter - 4/17/2008 3:15:33 AM

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quote:

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I have been creaming Dan's Liberators over Burma for months now and I cannot imagine that he has very many in reserve. As to B-17s, I haven't seen many of them for quite a while. THAT makes me nervous!

Jump in anytime with thoughts and ideas. I always appreciate it.

Hi John, I believe you won't see many B-17's at all in the game. I did research (the same for AE actually) and the B-17 didn't appear much in the PTO. What you will see are a lot of B-24's and a little later - B-29's in 1944+.
What ever you have shot down of B-24's is basically going to be the tip of the iceberg that is coming later on...

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RE: Northern Perimeter - 4/17/2008 3:49:18 AM

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I have shot down 100s of them over Burma. That is not an exaggeration whatsoever. His Squadrons attack in small enough groups over Rangoon that my standing CAP of about 75 Zero and 75 Tony simply decimate them... He has tried to use P-38s and advanced P-40s as cover but my Daitai and Sentai are so experienced in that area that the same result generally happens to the fighters as well.

Right now I have about 8-10 Daitai and Sentai training througout China gaining experience. They will move out to buttress the Perimeter by the mid-May.

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RE: Northern Perimeter - 4/17/2008 4:05:00 AM

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quote:

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I have shot down 100s of them over Burma. That is not an exaggeration whatsoever. His Squadrons attack in small enough groups over Rangoon that my standing CAP of about 75 Zero and 75 Tony simply decimate them... He has tried to use P-38s and advanced P-40s as cover but my Daitai and Sentai are so experienced in that area that the same result generally happens to the fighters as well.

Right now I have about 8-10 Daitai and Sentai training througout China gaining experience. They will move out to buttress the Perimeter by the mid-May.

Hmmm, I think those are mostly Liberator III's (British) and some B-24D's (not huge in number yet)...the large number of B-24J's come later.
Could you perhaps be mislead by FOW? I don't know, but I do know most of what he gets hasn't started yet....though you could be up to your arse in B-25's by now...

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RE: Northern Perimeter - 4/17/2008 4:13:47 AM

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Those are Brit B-24s of both varieties. I have seen some B-25s in China but few, if any, in Burma. I've been shooting down a lot of Wellingtons...

Australia had some B-25 and Beauforts...

KTNJR--I am sorry that I didn't Thank You for jumping into the AAR and posting your thoughts. THANKS! It helps to know who is reading. If you have ANY ideas or thoughts, please jump in with them!

Always good to know that I have brought another to the DARK SIDE for playing the Japanese. I firmly believe that ANYONE can play the Allies but it takes someone of---unique should I say---perspective for playing the Japanese!

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Central, Outer Perimeter - 4/17/2008 4:16:51 AM

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I have to add that I HATE shifting to defensive thinking! (Course one doesn't mention my thinking about invading India in May 1943!!)

There are troops moving just about everywhere at the moment. I continue pulling troops out of Australia for various points throughout the Empire.

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RE: SE, Outer Perimeter - 4/17/2008 10:24:16 PM

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Here is the next area:

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SE Edge, Outer Perimeter - 4/17/2008 10:45:00 PM

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The FAR SE!

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RE: SE Edge, Outer Perimeter - 4/18/2008 10:26:00 PM

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John, Thanks for your AAR updates.

I'm enjoying the drama in Burma particularly. I don't know how many bombers your opponent has in Burma, but I'm curious why he hasn't found a way to shut down, or at least suppress Rangoon. The potential is there, he just hasn't exploited it. Your massed fighters are a potent force.

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RE: SE Edge, Outer Perimeter - 4/19/2008 1:06:19 AM

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Cathartes--Thanks for the comment. I have decided to move my reaction force from Soerbaja to Moulmein and TRY to blast Dan's units out of their hex to the east of Rangoon. I am moving 100 bombers from Australia to the Theatre of Operations and plan to attack. If I can drive him out of the hex then he MUST exit Rangoon.

He is seemingly looking at coming towards Hanoi again. I would welcome those Vietminh Divisions! There are 3 Inf Div holding the town and that should be enough...

I expect Moulmein to get 3 full-strength Infantry Divisions, 2 Tank Divisions, an Army HQ, and 40,000+ supplies there by May 10th. They will go directly into an attack...

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