Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: dgk196

I have to admit that I have not followed all that has transpired about this subject. Am I too understand that aspects of the program are to be restricted? And not be available to 'moders'? Not to take anyone to task, but did you take notice of the backlash that Microsoft received when they began 'dictating' to the 'community'? I hope the powers that be here will not make that mistake. Of all the various types of internet sites, I would think that this one would be one that would learn from history and not repeat the mistakes of the past! I wish all involved a reasonable and workable solution. It just makes me cringe when I hear of such things. Probably an over reaction, I know.

Dennis

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An additional note; all graphics files are still fully modable; everything from game screens to unit files.

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ORIGINAL: Dumnorix

Hallo Jason Petho

Thats I make in my JTCS meets PG3D mods. The question is: Can I make addional grahpics for existing terraintypes and develop for new terrain types ?
Can that be possible sometime???

H.Balck

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ORIGINAL: Jason Petho

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ORIGINAL: dgk196

I have to admit that I have not followed all that has transpired about this subject. Am I too understand that aspects of the program are to be restricted? And not be available to 'moders'? Not to take anyone to task, but did you take notice of the backlash that Microsoft received when they began 'dictating' to the 'community'? I hope the powers that be here will not make that mistake. Of all the various types of internet sites, I would think that this one would be one that would learn from history and not repeat the mistakes of the past! I wish all involved a reasonable and workable solution. It just makes me cringe when I hear of such things. Probably an over reaction, I know.

Dennis

I would recommend reading Post #80, which should clarify things.

Based on that, perhaps it is an over reaction, yes.

An additional note; all graphics files are still fully modable; everything from game screens to unit files.

Jason Petho

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ORIGINAL: PDiFolco



If I've understood "Post 80", it suggests that modders sent files to you to encrypt, and justifies the decision to prevent data modding for all by some lame pbem "cheaters" ?
And you really think it's a good move to close to modding a game engine that has been open for nearly 10 years ?

Sorry to voice it loud, but this is a reaal baad decision. If you want to counter cheating make some data file checks, don't go backwards to prevent modding instead.

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ORIGINAL: kg_1007

Just from what I can tell- Almost everything can still be modded, and the only two things that cannot, are the two links at the bottom of the chain, platoons and weapons, which the development team says they will do for anyone needing it. This seems fair. My only problem is that to spend money to purchase something, and then have a company tell you how to use it, kinda sux but i do, sorta, understand their basic reasoning. As far as cheating making players quit playing, tho, some of the most popular games out, are the ones that have cheat codes-- I am glad this doesn't, but hardly would say cheating loses customers.

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ORIGINAL: andym

Ermmm why has this topics title changed?? it now reads "Faule Bande!" if mt german is correct it means "Lazy bunch"???Only just noticed it!!!

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ORIGINAL: Arkady

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ORIGINAL: andym

Ermmm why has this topics title changed?? it now reads "Faule Bande!" if mt german is correct it means "Lazy bunch"???Only just noticed it!!!

our very clever friend Dumnorix did it

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ORIGINAL: Arboris

Any news on the patch?

-Arboris

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ORIGINAL: Dumnorix

We waiting 2 weeks ago.... !
So many work for the industrious matrixpeoples...
OK - I am waiting for your big engineers. Many Thanks for this Jason !!!

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ORIGINAL: Dumnorix
The Biggest problem is my map can not over 500 Hex saved. Can you help me please ?

H.Balck

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HALFTRACK *** (1.03): Designate halftracks with improved firepower. They are worth 6 Victory Points per Strength Point, but fire similar to a normal MG. These are new units, and will only affect new scenarios where they are included.

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ORIGINAL: Dumnorix

How many weeks I must waiting for this MF patch 1.03 MATRIX ??????
Its working !!!

H.Balck

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ORIGINAL: Dennis

The 'crew' are working on it, I'm sure! Let's see.....

All good things come to those that wait....

Rome wasn't built in a day.....


And so on..... Jason and crew deserve our collective appreciation.... not taking anyone to task....

I could be wrong, but I don't think you can find too many other sites that support their games the way these guys do!

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ORIGINAL: Huib

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ORIGINAL: kg_1007

Just from what I can tell- Almost everything can still be modded, and the only two things that cannot, are the two links at the bottom of the chain, platoons and weapons, which the development team says they will do for anyone needing it. This seems fair. My only problem is that to spend money to purchase something, and then have a company tell you how to use it, kinda sux but i do, sorta, understand their basic reasoning. As far as cheating making players quit playing, tho, some of the most popular games out, are the ones that have cheat codes-- I am glad this doesn't, but hardly would say cheating loses customers.

Cheating in in PBEM games I mean. Believe me it makes people leave. Generally most people who are used to PBEM will not return to playing vs AI anymore anyway.

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ORIGINAL: PDiFolco

I repeat : if pbem cheat is a problem, make a "secure" mode (with data checks to compare the players'data files), don't make it backwards and forbid modding of certain files - in fact the main ones, if it's platoons and weapons.

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ORIGINAL: Jason Petho

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There is nothing that will stop anyone from modding anything, especially new countries as the company through army oobs are still moddable. Even the platoon and weapon file is still moddable, you just can't encrypt them and use it in your install.

Logically, there is only one extra step that has to be done; that is sending the platoon and weapon file that you would like encrypted to me, so I can do it.

Doesn't seem like that much of a hassle, really. Not to me anyway.

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ORIGINAL: Ladmo

I have a question on this send and encrypt operation and the request for new units.

If a modder wants to come up with a specific unit, not already in the existing game setting and this unit, whilst vital to the mod, would not generally be well received in the game setting - WWII - Battalion level; In this instance I am talking about a mod set in the Third World that would eventually, hopefully be included in Divided Ground but that has to be designed with Rising Sun because there is no real Divided Ground right now. (This is not hypothetical).

Will the modder be at the caprices of the encrypter, who may not "like" his idea or understand that it is not designed to go into the existing WWII format? What if the encrypter, not giving a fig for any Third World Mod, say: "You just don't need that."Is there some committee who will sit in judgment and say: "Give'em this, withhold that?" What will be policy in force in this event. If, as you describe above, we can tinker with the platoon and weapons files and get them encrypted then many of my early objections to "The Policy" would be resolved. Amplification is needed. I would just like to know whether or not this is going to be worth the headache to keep working my project within this system or whether its time to just walk away from this game.

I ask these questions because I do not know how this is going to work. I have just gotten out of the hospital and am trying to get back up to speed. If Jason just wants to point me to posts, I'd be grateful. If there is more to be said, I want to know. I want to know if substantive modding on CS is a thing of the past or will it still be the life blood of this series.