I asked in another thread if the P-38's can stand up to the zero, and got a resounding no.
My P-39/P-400 Pilots were nursed and trained on naval targets and 4/6 of the squads that upped are in the 70's avg(74-84). The test so far as been from Buna to Rabaul on sweeps and escort.
So far they are wiping the floor with the Japs.
I have kept about 5-6 P-39/P400 squads out of range to be upped b/c I needed fighter bombers (only planes that will launch against barges).
I don't want to get into a bad situation, if this is a fluke (fighting pilots in their 20s'). What kind of results should I be getting?
Also - One of my Wildcat squads got upgraded to Corsairs. Do marine Wildcats get upped to corsairs?
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Yes VMFs go from F4F-4s to F4Us. P-38s do OK vs Zeros, though Corsairs are the killers, and their range allows them to escort missions that couldn't be before.
No I'm not looking to argure Zeros and Lightnings in case somebody is lurking.
though Corsairs are the killers, and their range allows them to escort missions that couldn't be before.
I had forgotten just how true this was. Below is just obsene. I was strapped too. Had to put down every single fighter except two bases. Corsairs in question were on LRCAP from PM at 31 fatigue.
Air attack on TF, near Lae at 9,33
Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 71 A6M3 Zero x 47 G4M1 Betty x 10 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 15
Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 7
Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 18 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 15 destroyed G4M1 Betty x 3 destroyed G4M1 Betty x 7 damaged Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses F4U-1 Corsair x 2 destroyed F4U-1 Corsair x 1 damaged
FO F.Short of VMF-124 is credited with kill number 8
LTJG L.Nakajima of F1/252nd Daitai bails out and is CAPTURED
Allied Ships DD Nicholson BB Maryland, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CA New Orleans
Attacking Level Bombers: 1 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet 3 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet 3 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
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Until the Allies have bases close, in Corair range, to their Japanese targets the P-38s are well suited to escort bombers and the Corsairs to guard the chicken coops.
In 1 of my PBEMs a single sqd of Corsairs went like a hot knife through butter on a Japanese air raid. The Corsair pilots were in the mid 60s experience range. I can't wait to see them in the 70s and then the 80s.
I have a corsair squad that just upgraded thats 77 avg (99 highest). That turn I had moved the Long Island into the port to load them up but forgot to put cap up and it was sunk =(
Another quick question: P40E Warhawk ....do they upgrade to P-38's? I had a squad in Townsville resting (japs weren't doing anything) for 3 months. In that time 6 P-39 Squads at various bases upped. The scen 17 OOB states that the P40's go to P-38's. Checking to make sure that is true (same doc that says F4F goes to hellcats, discounting the F4U upgrade).
P40E's are elgiable the same date the P-39s are to be upped to P-38's correct? There isn't a different date?
The OOB 17 has me a bit confused.
It is too bad the Kittyhawks don't have a upgrade path. The aussies are the backbone of your Air Corps for a long time. I've kept K. Truscott alive (8 kills 97 xp) alive since day 1 and he is quickly becoming obsolete.
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P40E's are elgiable the same date the P-39s are to be upped to P-38's correct? There isn't a different date?
The OOB 17 has me a bit confused.
18.7...
Every day, during the supply operations phase, air units within their maximum range of either Truk, Noumea or Brisbane will check for possible upgrading. There must be sufficient new model planes in the replacement pool to bring the upgrading unit up to its maximum ready aircraft level for the upgrade to occur.
If these conditions are met, then the current planes in the unit are returned to the replacement pool and the unit is given new planes equal to the maximum ready aircraft level of the unit.
The necessary amounts of new aircraft in the replacement pool to effect upgrades are 125% for IJN and 133% for the Allies.
I had P40's within range the entire time my P39 squads (actually closer) to Brisbane while they upped to P38's. There is also a date, was wondering if there was a specific date that the P40's were eligable, or if it was just a coin toss and the P39's just happened to win 6/6 times.
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It is too bad the Kittyhawks don't have a upgrade path. The aussies are the backbone of your Air Corps for a long time. I've kept K. Truscott alive (8 kills 97 xp) alive since day 1 and he is quickly becoming obsolete.
Unfortunately the only Lightnings the RAAF ever took on charge* were three recon P-38E's allocated to 1PRU (No.1 Photo Reconnaissance Unit) which didn't survive past mid'44.
(* apparently there were a couple more temporary loans from the USAAF).
Why? I would hazard a guess that P-38s weren't numerous enough to be offered as lendlease items. P-40s were and deliveries continued to Australia to the end of the war.
If you are interested in this subject, follow this link to Australian Military Aircraft Serials and Aircraft History site and select the "RAAF Series 2" tab at the top of the page. This will bring up the list of World War II aircraft taken on charge by the RAAF. Note that other aircraft were operated but not necessarily 'owned' by the RAAF.
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There were plenty of P-38s produced, but at the time that they were being used as a frontline fighter in the Pacific they were in demand for European useage also. Outfitting a squadron is one thing and keeping it in planes is another when you factor in aircraft lost to combat, ops and just plain worn out.
F4F-4s upgrade to F6Fs for naval squadrons and the VMF squadrons go to the Corsairs.
Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 71 A6M3 Zero x 47 G4M1 Betty x 10 Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 15
Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 7
Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 18 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 15 destroyed G4M1 Betty x 3 destroyed G4M1 Betty x 7 damaged Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses F4U-1 Corsair x 2 destroyed F4U-1 Corsair x 1 damaged
FO F.Short of VMF-124 is credited with kill number 8
LTJG L.Nakajima of F1/252nd Daitai bails out and is CAPTURED
Allied Ships DD Nicholson BB Maryland, Torpedo hits 1, on fire CA New Orleans
Attacking Level Bombers: 1 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet 3 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet 3 x G4M1 Betty at 200 feet
I agree those results are obscene; Betties with torpedoes are vastly overrated in this game.
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Played UV extensively. Long enough to catalog its many errors overrating Japanese power projection capability. Played WitP briefly: long enough to see the same errors carried forward from UV to WitP. Read enough WitP AARs to confirm the many serious errors there. I'm hopeful but skeptical about the prospects that AE will correctly model relative power projection abilities.
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Played UV extensively. Long enough to catalog its many errors overrating Japanese power projection capability. Played WitP briefly: long enough to see the same errors carried forward from UV to WitP. Read enough WitP AARs to confirm the many serious errors there. I'm hopeful but skeptical about the prospects that AE will correctly model relative power projection abilities.
So the answer would be, ¨No¨...you do not play UV or WITP. Interesting you´ve included yourself in as a future buyer of AE though.
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Played UV extensively. Long enough to catalog its many errors overrating Japanese power projection capability. Played WitP briefly: long enough to see the same errors carried forward from UV to WitP. Read enough WitP AARs to confirm the many serious errors there. I'm hopeful but skeptical about the prospects that AE will correctly model relative power projection abilities.
So the answer would be, ¨No¨...you do not play UV or WITP. Interesting you´ve included yourself in as a future buyer of AE though.
Whilst your statement is correct, ie that UV & WITP are not currently played by Mdiehl; the statement he makes clearly shows that both have been played in the past, making your comment slightly snide & very pedantic, as it suggusts that he does not know what he is talking about.
If your experience on Torpedo hits from Betty's differs from Mdiehl then say so. Don't just treat him as an irrevelence.
By the way, you never did say why you chose "Tojo's Loins" as your "From" rather than something less "risky". Any comment?
You are incorrect. The answer would be, and in fact is, precisely that which I wrote, rather than some imaginary response that you would like to pretend that I wrote.
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Interesting you´ve included yourself in as a future buyer of AE though.
AE purports to eliminate many of the flawed assumptions by which garden variety WitP overrates Japanese power projection. Since I would like to own an obejtectivel GOOD WW2 PTO consim, I am always interested in new PTO games or updates on old ones. If someone ever gets it correct, it would save me the trouble of writing such a game -- something I will not have time to do for years at least.
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I asked in another thread if the P-38's can stand up to the zero, and got a resounding no.
Really? Everytime the two meet in an engagement in my game I'm a happy man. The 35th US Army FS has 127 kills and the 36th US Army FS 109 kills, I'd guess that atleast 75% of them were against enemy fighters while on escort missions.
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It is interesting to see that the P-39s never upgrade to P-47s.
This is an error as the 41FS transitioned from P-39 to P-47 in late '43.
I believe that upgrade list is from the original release and there have been some changes made in the various patches based on input from the players.
You will have to look at the individual patch release notes to see what they are but one that immediately springs to mind is that the Beaufort no longer upgrades to Beaufighter. There could be more.
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I asked if you play UV or WITP. It seems no you don´t.
I've played it enough to know how it works. Therefore, your question was either an irrelevant non-sequitur (in effect, you weren't implying that I don't know how UV works), or else you were just engaging in mendacious straw man argumentation. Either way, you don't come across as having anything important or relevant to contribute to the discussion.
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