Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: Froonp
Why not add also the position of all capital ships that were sank.

No. There were hundreds, perhaps close to a thousand.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

Which could be restricted already by removing units that not really existed to
CV Courageous 17-sept-39 SIF UK
CV Glorious 08-juin-40 SIF UK
CV Ark Royal 14-nov-41 SIF UK
BB Barham 25-nov-41 SIF UK
BB Royal Oak 14-oct-39 SIF UK
BB Hood 24-mai-41 SIF UK
BB Repulse 10-déc-41 SIF UK
BB Prince of Wales 10-déc-41 SIF UK
CV Béarn 27-nov-42 SIF France
BB Courbet 09-juin-44 SIF France
BB Jean Bart 15-mars-44 SIF France
BB Bretagne 03-juil-40 SIF France
BB Provence 27-nov-42 SIF France
BB Dunkerque 27-nov-42 SIF France
BB Strasbourg 18-août-44 SIF France
BB Clemenceau 27-août-44 SIF France
BB Gneisenau 28-mars-45 SIF Germany
BB Scharnhorst 26-déc-43 SIF Germany
BB Bismarck 27-mai-41 SIF Germany
BB Tirpitz 12-nov-44 SIF Germany
BB Roma 09-sept-43 SIF Italy
CV Akagi 05-juin-42 SIF Japan
CV Kaga 05-juin-42 SIF Japan
CV Ryujo 24-août-42 SIF Japan
CV Soryu 05-juin-42 SIF Japan
CV Hiryu 05-juin-42 SIF Japan
CV Shokaku 19-juin-44 SIF Japan
CV Zuikaku 25-oct-44 SIF Japan
CV Hiyo 20-juin-44 SIF Japan
CV Taiho 19-juin-44 SIF Japan
CV Amagi 24-juil-45 SIF Japan
CV Shinano 29-nov-44 SIF Japan
CV Unryu 19-déc-44 SIF Japan
CV Karyu 29-nov-44 MiF Japan
BB Kongo 21-nov-44 SIF Japan
BB Fuso 25-oct-44 SIF Japan
BB Haruna 28-juil-45 SIF Japan
BB Hiei 13-nov-42 SIF Japan
BB Kirishima 15-nov-42 SIF Japan
BB Yamashiro 25-oct-44 SIF Japan
BB Hyuga 24-juil-45 SIF Japan
BB Ise 28-juil-45 SIF Japan
BB Mutsu 08-juin-43 SIF Japan
BB Yamato 07-avr-45 SIF Japan
BB Musashi 24-oct-44 SIF Japan
CV Langley 27-févr-42 SIF USA
CV Lexington 08-mai-42 SIF USA
CV Yorktown 07-juin-42 SIF USA
CV Wasp 15-sept-42 SIF USA
CV Hornet 24-oct-42 SIF USA
BB Oklahoma 07-déc-41 SIF USA
BB Arizona 07-déc-41 SIF USA
BB California 07-déc-41 SIF USA
BB West Virginia 07-déc-41 SIF USA
BB Marat 23-sept-41 SIF USSR

This makes 55 units.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

maybe a nice Easter Egg could be where the Bismarck rests in the Atlantic...

Yes, why not.
Why not add also the position of all capital ships that were sank.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

Which could be restricted already by removing units that not really existed to

Warspite 1

Iron Duke - Not really existed? I`m sure the crew of this Jutland veteran would turn in their collective graves if they were alive today!!

(in reply to Froonp)

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

Edit : I also put a few easter eggs (size 6), the place where Harry Rowland lives, the place where I live, famous shooting places for the Lord of the Ring (I know you don't like that, but I love that), if you see others that could be added let me know.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1
Iron Duke - Not really existed? I`m sure the crew of this Jutland veteran would turn in their collective graves if they were alive today!!

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mentions that it was one of the three sites created to develop the atomic bomb.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

What would you think of that list of sunk ships (35) ?

Type Name Date Sunk Country Where sunk ?
CV Courageous 17-sept-39 UK Off the coast of Ireland
CV Glorious 08-juin-40 UK Roughly 170 nautical miles (315 km) west of Harstad
CV Ark Royal 14-nov-41 UK 30 nautical miles (55 km) east of Gibraltar
BB Barham 25-nov-41 UK Mediterranean Sea, near Sidi Barrani near Libyan Border
BB Hood 24-mai-41 UK North Atlantic Ocean, Denmark Strait
BB Repulse 10-déc-41 UK South China Sea, near Kuantan, Malaysia
BB Prince of Wales 10-déc-41 UK South China Sea, near Kuantan, Malaysia
BB Scharnhorst 26-déc-43 Germany Arctic Ocean, approximately 66 miles off the North Cape of Norway
BB Bismarck 27-mai-41 Germany North Atlantic
BB Tirpitz 12-nov-44 Germany Balsfjord, near Håkøy Island, near Tromsø, Norway
BB Roma 09-sept-43 Italy Gulf of Asinara, near Sardinia
CV Akagi 05-juin-42 Japan Midway, 30°30′N, 178°40′W
CV Kaga 05-juin-42 Japan Midway, 30°20′N, 179°17′W
CV Ryujo 24-août-42 Japan 161 km (100 mi) north of Tulagi
CV Soryu 05-juin-42 Japan Midway, 30°38′N, 179°13′W
CV Hiryu 05-juin-42 Japan Midway
CV Shokaku 19-juin-44 Japan Philippine Sea, 11°40′N, 137°40′E
CV Zuikaku 25-oct-44 Japan Battle of Cape Engaño
CV Hiyo 20-juin-44 Japan Philippine Sea, 15°30′N, 133°50′E
CV Taiho 19-juin-44 Japan Philippine Sea, 12°05′N, 138°12′E
CV Shinano 29-nov-44 Japan 300-400 km south of Nagoya, 32°0′N, 137°0′E
CV Unryu 19-déc-44 Japan East China Sea, 29°59′N, 124°03′E
BB Kongo 21-nov-44 Japan Taiwan Strait
BB Fuso 25-oct-44 Japan Surigao Strait, Leyte Gulf
BB Hiei 13-nov-42 Japan Savo Island
BB Kirishima 15-nov-42 Japan Northwest of Savo Island
BB Yamashiro 25-oct-44 Japan Surigao Strait, Leyte Gulf
BB Mutsu 08-juin-43 Japan Near Oshima island, Japan
BB Yamato 07-avr-45 Japan East China Sea, near Okinawa
BB Musashi 24-oct-44 Japan Sibuyan Sea
CV Langley 27-févr-42 USA About 75 miles south of Tjilatjap.
CV Lexington 08-mai-42 USA Coral Sea, 15°20′S, 155°30′E
CV Yorktown 07-juin-42 USA Midway
CV Wasp 15-sept-42 USA Southeast of San Cristobal Island
CV Hornet 24-oct-42 USA Off the Santa Cruz Islands

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ORIGINAL: marcuswatney


I am opposed to all easter eggs (to someone who despises Lord of the Rings, such things just add an amateurish feel to the game). 

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ORIGINAL: Taxman66

Maybe we could also have an option to turn off the easter egg names and/or various other city/territory names so we can look at the map with less clutter.

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ORIGINAL: Mingus Roberts
No really... the Yukon River runs through Lake Laberge past Whitehorse and south. The piece you have put on the map, from the Bering Sea to central Alaska, is only half of the run of the third largest river in North America. Can you fix it Patrice?

MR

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ORIGINAL: warspite1
For the record and as I said previously, I am absolutely against non-WWII or at least non miitary historical references as this cheapens the overall effect of these stunning maps - although concede that as he provided us with the worlds greatest WWII game, Harry Rowland should be allowed to keep reference to his house

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I am absolutely against non-WWII or at least non miitary historical references as this cheapens the overall effect of these stunning maps

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

I still don't think Monte Cassino should be put on the map in a clear hex, that looks kinda silly and should be left off the list.

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ORIGINAL: cockney

I think as Steve is doing such a fine job and he wants to add some flavour I think thats cool, but if it looks like so much clutter then perhaps the Easter egg idea is a valid compramise

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ORIGINAL: marcuswatney
The solution is to remove the word Monte. While the attack on the monastery at the top of the mountain is the most famous aspect of this offensive, in fact fighting took place all along the line, especially in the valley ... where lies the town of Cassino.

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ORIGINAL: Astarix

In Northern Minnesota, the river which goes from Lake of the Woods to Lake Superior, should be labeled the Pigeon River and the river hexsides should continue all the way to Lake Superior along the international border.  More accurately the hexside which runs along the international border from Lake of the Woods that has the rail crossing is the Rainey river.  The next 2 hexsides should be a lake hexside labeled Rainey Lake and then the river should continue from Rainey Lake to Lake Superior as the Pigeon River.  Rainey lake runs approximately 100 KM along the Minnesota, Ontario border and averages about 20km wide north to south.

An arguement could also be made, that the border hexes running east from Lake of the Woods to Lake Superior should be swamp hexes.  This area is essentially a wilderness, even today.  If you look at a modern map of Northern Minnesota and Southern Ontario, there are very few paved roads in this region.  In the 40's many of the roads that are now paved were single lane roads meant to move raw timber and and provide access to the Iron Mines and the towns adjoining them in the region.  There are quite literally thousands of lakes in this area along with large numbers of small rivers and streams connecting them all.  This area is also rife with peat bogs and swamps.  It could also be argued that the very North Eastern most hex of this area could be a mountain hex with mountain hexes along this shore up to the outlet river for Lake Nipigon.  These hills rise from the lake shore, which is at 602 ft above sea level to in some places 2-3000 ft above sea level, within the space of a couple of miles, and in some places you have basaltic cliffs that are several hundred feet high right at the waters edge.  It is very rugged and forested terrain, with at best, logging trails for access and large numbers of lakes, swamps and wetlands.

South of the immediate border hexes from the Lake of the Woods to Lake Superior all of the hexes including the hex the RP is in should be wooded. 

The hex row that includes the city of Duluth to the hex just west of the northern most hex including a Mississippi River hexside should be forested as well.  The 2 hexes to the NW of the last Mississippi Hexside should also be forested.  The City of Duluth itself is actually on the very north shore of the tip of Lake Superior, although I understand why it is located where it is, to avoid the rail line in the hex crossing water.  In this instance though, it would not be unrealistic as there was, in fact, a rail line running across the very edge of the Duluth-Superior Harbor that carried Iron Ore into Superior Wisconsin to be loaded onto Ore carriers. 

The Harbor itself is formed by the mouth of the St. Louis River and the last 60 miles of the river is very swampy and forested and the valley carved by the river is several miles wide just before it empties into Lake Superior.  Thus why the city of Duluth should be forested.  I also believe that the 3 clear hexes East of the Mississippi located south of Duluth should probably be forested as well. 

This entire region I described is full of lakes, forests, small rivers, swamps, peat bogs, Glacial Morraines, etc.  While parts of it are clear for agricultural use, large clear areas are definitely not the predominate land type.

You also may want to look into adding a couple of hexsides for the St. Croix river from the hexide that divides the label for St. Paul, then 1 hex to the NE and then maybe 1 more hex to the North.  The River in this area is wide enough to impede easy crossing.  The banks of the river are very steep in many places and generally are 30-40 feet above the river bed.  To the South of the Mississippi (at the hexide that divides the label for the Mississippi) you could reasonably add several Hexsides running generally SW for the Minnesota River, at least to where the location of Mankato is on a map.  The river valley in this area is wide and filled with marshy and lake filled lowlands.  In the Minneapolis-St. Paul region where it merges with the Mississippi the valley is over a mile wide with bluffs on both banks that are as much as 100ft high where it joins the Mississippi.

In Southern Wisconsin, the two hexes west of the hex that the Lable for Wisconsin starts and the one hex immediately to the west of the single forested hex here should be forested as well to represent a region called the Driftless Area, that escaped glaciation in the last Ice Age.  This area is dominated by very large hills, small rivers, forests and large bluffs along the Mississippi river.  The hills in this area are very rugged and steep. 

You should lable the RP hex in Northern Minnesota, The Mesabi Range.  In the Chippewa Language it means "Giant".  The ore deposits in this area were discovered in 1887 and began being commercially exploited in 1895.  From the turn of the 20th Century until today, Northern Minnesota has produced 75% of the domestically mined Iron Ore.  There is an Open Pit Iron Mine just outside of Hibbing called the Rust-Hull-Manoming mine that has produced 700million tons of comercial grade ore since it opened.  It is the largest Open Pit Iron Mine in the world and the second largest Open Pit Mine in North America.  During WWII this single mine produced 25% of all the Iron Ore used in the U.S.

Final couple of points.  In Michigan between the upper and lower peninsulas there is a railroad crossing that I don't believe existed during this time.  Its in the same Hex as the Crossing Arrow, which is known as the Mackinac straits.  Also, there should be a River Hexside where the rail line crosses from the Upper Peninsula of Michigan Into Canada.  This river hexside connects Lake Superior to Lake Huron and is the location of the Soo Locks, which were built in the 20's to allow Ore Carriers from Duluth to access the steel mills in the cities along the Shores of Lake Michigan and Lake Erie.

I love the maps on the whole and I really appreciate the detail and effort that has gone into creating them, despite all of my comments above.   I am a long time WiF fan and have been following these threads fairly religiously, even though this is my first time posting. 

I've lived in the Upper Midwest for 40 years.  Spent a lot of time hunting and fishing in Northern Minnesota.  No better place on Earth, even if the Winters can get insanely cold.

Jason