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RE: August 1, 1943 Industrial and VP Report - 5/16/2008 6:40:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Plane Production
Fighters Planes/Month (in Pool)
A6M2 0 (53)
A6M3 0 (13)
A6M3a 165 (72)
Oscar 0 (448)
Oscar IIa 58 (89)
Tojo 76 (16)
Tony 190 (162)
Jack 131-R (9/43)
A6M5c 44
A6M5 10-Rd (9/43)
Oscar III 7-Rd (9/43)
Ki-61 Tony 452-Rd (11/43)�Moved up another month so it is TWO months early!
N1K1 George 28-Rd (12/43)

I have replennished nearly all my Sentai and Daitai during the month. I should see my stockpiles come up in August and I cannot wait for my Jacks in September! Will also get the M5 and Oscar IIIs too�

Bombers
Betty 0 (337)
Betty 2 54 (31)
Sally 66 (8)
Helen 131 (14)
Lily 114 (5)
Nick-a 27 (4)
Nick-b 12 (0)
Val 0 (408)�Shut down
Kate 63 (77)
Judy 98-Rd (9/43)�Moved up 1 Month!
Jill 57-Rd (10/43)�Moved up 1 Month!

Hi John,

You might consider haulting the air units under R&D. Try it for a turn or two and I think you'll see a nice difference...

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RE: August 1, 1943 Industrial and VP Report - 5/16/2008 7:32:54 AM

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Hey there - I just read this whole darn thing over the past two days. Really fine work sir, an admirable job for any Japanese player.

All this industry and production talk still boggles my mind no matter how hard I try to understand, though..

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RE: August 1, 1943 Industrial and VP Report - 5/16/2008 9:33:14 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: 1EyedJacks

quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Plane Production
Fighters Planes/Month (in Pool)
A6M2 0 (53)
A6M3 0 (13)
A6M3a 165 (72)
Oscar 0 (448)
Oscar IIa 58 (89)
Tojo 76 (16)
Tony 190 (162)
Jack 131-R (9/43)
A6M5c 44
A6M5 10-Rd (9/43)
Oscar III 7-Rd (9/43)
Ki-61 Tony 452-Rd (11/43)�Moved up another month so it is TWO months early!
N1K1 George 28-Rd (12/43)

I have replennished nearly all my Sentai and Daitai during the month. I should see my stockpiles come up in August and I cannot wait for my Jacks in September! Will also get the M5 and Oscar IIIs too�

Bombers
Betty 0 (337)
Betty 2 54 (31)
Sally 66 (8)
Helen 131 (14)
Lily 114 (5)
Nick-a 27 (4)
Nick-b 12 (0)
Val 0 (408)�Shut down
Kate 63 (77)
Judy 98-Rd (9/43)�Moved up 1 Month!
Jill 57-Rd (10/43)�Moved up 1 Month!

Hi John,

You might consider haulting the air units under R&D. Try it for a turn or two and I think you'll see a nice difference...

R&D does NOT need any HI points... it needs 1000 supply points for every damaged factory point being repaired though.

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RE: August 1, 1943 Industrial and VP Report - 5/16/2008 3:14:36 PM

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R&D does NOT need any HI points... it needs 1000 supply points for every damaged factory point being repaired though.

Thanks for answering that question before I needed to ask it.

After going through his LCU's in Japan, I would say John is in good shape as only a few BF do not have a full TO &E.

All his Bde and Div have been filled out.

However, he does have a few too many BF on islands outside of Japan as the only defenders with no infanrty squads and thus no assault value. Some even have themselves 100 % prepped for a different base.

He may need to rotate them with some of the BF in Japan after they fill out "with" the proper base being prepped.

There was a thread in the "must read" section about whether to fill out BF or not. But I'm only the Economic Advisor.

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RE: August 1, 1943 Industrial and VP Report - 5/16/2008 4:22:55 PM

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Let me explain Michael's point about the 100% Preparation. I have a deep and unreasoning fear of American Codebreakers. I have moved so many units over the last 4-6 weeks that I did not want Dan to know what was going where so his darned SS couldn't be moved for possible intercepts. Within about a week, everything will be where it needs to be within this current round of movement. At that point I wil change their Prep to their new homes.

It may sound strange and/or foolish to work that way but I am trying to keep Dan in the dark as to my movements for as long as possible.

Castor--Good to hear from you! Hope things are well with you.

Alikshi--Thanks for the thoughts. Economy DOES drive me nuts too. Obviously it is an area where my learning curve continues...

OneEyedJacks--Good suggestion and I echo Michael as to Castor jumping in before I could ask the question too.

ANYONE who has a thought is more then welcome to jump in. In many ways this has become a forum on the Japanese economy as well as resource/oil for solid discussion and/or ideas!

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RE: August 1, 1943 Industrial and VP Report - 5/16/2008 4:51:34 PM

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Other Japanese Econ thoughts:

1. If you haven't already, stop expansion of any HI factories. I think you started that earlier. That will just waste supplies, because your problem is not a lack of HI factories, but a lack of Oil/Resources feeding them. You should not need more HI factories at all, provided they are all "fed". I think Japan has a surplus in HI factories actually, after captures.
2. I think as time goes on, your priority has to shift as Japan. Shipbuilding needs to be slowed/shut down, particularly Naval Building. Building subs is worthwhile, but any carrier you get in '44, is it anything other than Allied point fodder? Redirect those HI resources toward things you really need......
3. ....Like Aircraft Engines. Mr. Castor Troy hit it on the head on another post; it's difficult for the Allies to bomb all your A/C factories, but easier to hit your engines. You need a stockpile for later on, particularly Mitsubishi. This also gets you ahead later, if you become resource/HI constrained, you can shut everything off except AIRFRAMES, and pull engines from your pool. You are about to burn many, many planes, start getting ready.
4. NYGIANTS59 hit one nail on the head; make sure your convoys are always busy, carrying something. I do alot of this: FUEL from Japan to Truk, empty to Balikpapan, pick up Oil, back to Japan.
5. FUEL: One helpful trick on Fuel: Set all Merchant Convoys to "DO NOT REFUEL". This is important. Otherwise, they will top off at remote bases, sucking fuel, even if they have plenty to get to Japan. Even if you do a "triangle" pattern above, there is still plenty to get back to Japan. It's a pain, but refuel all Merchant ships manually.
6. RESOURCES: Your big problem right now seems to be OIL, but don't forget resources. When all your Oil and Resources are producing 100%, the Japanese Production Limitation is not OIL, it is RESOURCES. You need to pull all the Resources you can from the SRA and get it back to Japan. Though Japan produces Resources, it's only really enough to feed the Manpower Centers (approximately, I haven't counted), so you really need to ship Resources to Japan. DO NOT FORGET THAT.
In a theoretical scenario where you don't have to ship everything, and all your production resources are in one place, I beleive the thing that limits you is Resources, because you can't expand that. I could be wrong, but I think that is the ultimate Japanese Production Limitation.

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RE: August 1, 1943 Industrial and VP Report - 5/16/2008 5:18:49 PM

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Let me explain Michael's point about the 100% Preparation.� I have a deep and unreasoning fear of American Codebreakers.� I have moved so many units over the last 4-6 weeks that I did not want Dan to know what was going where so his darned SS couldn't be moved for possible intercepts.� Within about a week, everything will be where it needs to be within this current round of movement.� At that point I wil change their Prep to their new homes.

It may sound strange and/or foolish to work that way but I am trying to keep Dan in the dark as to my movements for as long as possible.

Castor--Good to hear from you!� Hope things are well with you.

Alikshi--Thanks for the thoughts.� Economy DOES drive me nuts too.� Obviously it is an area where my learning curve continues...

OneEyedJacks--Good suggestion and I echo Michael as to Castor jumping in before I could ask the question too.

ANYONE who has a thought is more then welcome to jump in.� In many ways this has become a forum on the Japanese economy as well as resource/oil for solid discussion and/or ideas!

Hi John!

Everything�s okay here in Austria, hope you and yours are well!

Concerning the preparation, I wouldn�t overrate sigint in the game and it doesn�t do you that much harm if your opponent knows where your base forces are, especially if you�re on the defense. I would prefere having my base forces assault value doubled as this makes a base force worth 80 assault points.

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RE: August 1, 1943 Industrial and VP Report - 5/16/2008 5:29:58 PM

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Q-Ball

Thanks again for your thoughts. As to several of your points:

1. Naval Construction--After this surge of building is finished (CVL Chiyoda, BB Musashi, and the BB Hybrids, I will stop the acceleration of anything in the que. Those last CVs are useful ONLY if I can score a victory over the Americans without undue damage to the KB Carriers. Some might scoff at this but keep in mind that the victories I have had in this game have come at a range where the Americans were not able to launch at my carriers.

2. Resources--As Michael would attest, I have nearly 400,000 resources at sea right now headed for the Home Islands. I have these in abundance.

3. Oil--Due to Michael's advice I am loading ujp several supply TF to load up Balikpapan and Palembang so they can repair at a much faster rate.

4. Engines--Definately a concern though I do have a surplus of nearly 2,200 Mitsubishi right now. It is the Nakajimas that pose issues...

5. HI--The areas where I have expanded the HI (about 2 games weeks ago) are in supply and oil rich areas so they SHOULD help immediately...I hope...

Great thinking and comments. They are most welcome!

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RE: August 1, 1943 Industrial and VP Report - 5/16/2008 5:33:39 PM

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Castor--Glad things are well with you and yours!

I just went through the August 3rd turn and made sure that all units in the most logical target areas are prepping for their current location: Iwo Jima, Wake, Pagan, and the Marianas just got checked and made sure as to that.

The Commander of the USS Rasher just put a Torp into the tender sides of brand new CVL Chitose! DRAT!!! She is only 3 hexes from Truk so she diverts there and will get no aerial training down south. Thsi is the first hit on a combatant vessel of the Fleet in a long time. It is what I get for sending CV Amagi and Chitose with only an escort of 1CL and 3 DD. My own stupidity chiming in there...

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RE: August 1, 1943 Industrial and VP Report - 5/16/2008 5:39:36 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: 1EyedJacks

quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Plane Production
Fighters Planes/Month (in Pool)
A6M2 0 (53)
A6M3 0 (13)
A6M3a 165 (72)
Oscar 0 (448)
Oscar IIa 58 (89)
Tojo 76 (16)
Tony 190 (162)
Jack 131-R (9/43)
A6M5c 44
A6M5 10-Rd (9/43)
Oscar III 7-Rd (9/43)
Ki-61 Tony 452-Rd (11/43)�Moved up another month so it is TWO months early!
N1K1 George 28-Rd (12/43)

I have replennished nearly all my Sentai and Daitai during the month. I should see my stockpiles come up in August and I cannot wait for my Jacks in September! Will also get the M5 and Oscar IIIs too�

Bombers
Betty 0 (337)
Betty 2 54 (31)
Sally 66 (8)
Helen 131 (14)
Lily 114 (5)
Nick-a 27 (4)
Nick-b 12 (0)
Val 0 (408)�Shut down
Kate 63 (77)
Judy 98-Rd (9/43)�Moved up 1 Month!
Jill 57-Rd (10/43)�Moved up 1 Month!

Hi John,

You might consider haulting the air units under R&D. Try it for a turn or two and I think you'll see a nice difference...

Air R&D don't consume HI.

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RE: August 1, 1943 Industrial and VP Report - 5/16/2008 5:42:30 PM

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R&D does NOT need any HI points... it needs 1000 supply points for every damaged factory point being repaired though.

Thanks for answering that question before I needed to ask it.

After going through his LCU's in Japan, I would say John is in good shape as only a few BF do not have a full TO &E. All his Bde and Div have been filled out.

However, he does have a few too many BF on islands outside of Japan as the only defenders with no infanrty squads and thus no assault value. Some even have themselves 100 % prepped for a different base. He may need to rotate them with some of the BF in Japan after they fill out "with" the proper base being prepped. There was a thread in the "must read" section about whether to fill out BF or not. But I'm only the Economic Advisor.

I always fill out the small BFs, at least until they get the 40 inf squads. That gives them a bit of staying power against a small invasion. Otherwise, they are nothing but dead meat. Note that it's better to allocate them to a command (and pay the PPs) before you start filling them out. It'll save a few PPs that way.

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RE: August 1, 1943 Industrial and VP Report - 5/16/2008 5:57:47 PM

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That is something I have gotten pretty good at Mike. Some of the China units I pilled were ones that had been in battle, gotten knocked around, and were, thus, cheaper to transfer due to their losses. As long as they were going somewhere that they could rest and replennish their losses, this has worked out pretty well.

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RE: How to Prepare? - 5/16/2008 7:02:13 PM

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I begin to see shadows everywhere at the moment. There is a piece of the puzzle that I hadn't fit in until right now.

Over the last 2 weeks, I have launched a minor offensive into northern China. Throughout this period of time, I have been pounding Yenan, Sian, and Honan with about 400 aircraft. Most of these units are getting in good training but I have been perplexed by Dan's lack of aerial response. He has numerous P-38 and P-40 Squadrons in Southern China and he has refused to move them north.

Why?

I am beginning to suspect that my supposition regarding a daring thrust into the heart of my Perimeter might be much more probable. Why keep those planes in the South unless he has reason to WANT them there? Do they have a more pressing mission? It would make sense that if he moved into the Marianas, Iwo Jima, or the Philippines he would need LBA to keep the target. Those damned P-38s have the range to fly from Southern China to any of these points...

Am I paranoid?

I'm about to launch a major assault on Wuchow in south China. If he reacts strongly with bombers and fighters then I think my suspitions may be correct. He doesn't want to allow me to drive him from the coast and lose those Chinese AF...

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RE: How to Prepare? - 5/16/2008 7:14:22 PM

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no base forces there? No base forces, no support for his aircraft...

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RE: How to Prepare? - 5/16/2008 7:43:01 PM

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He would bring them with. Problem with all this postulating is I don't know the size of the American Merchant/Transport fleet. I sunk 45 ships and damaged over more 60 at Midway. Does he have enough to make a serious assault deep into the heart of my lines? This is the question.

I think I will vector a Glen-SS towards Pearl Harbor and do a quick recon...

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RE: How to Prepare? - 5/16/2008 8:17:36 PM

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Paranoia is your friend.

It would really be high if this game was on RHS level 7 map with all those shipping channels.

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RE: How to Prepare? - 5/16/2008 9:27:20 PM

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He would bring them with.� Problem with all this postulating is I don't know the size of the American Merchant/Transport fleet.� I sunk 45 ships and damaged over more 60 at Midway.� Does he have enough to make a serious assault deep into the heart of my lines?� This is the question.

I think I will vector a�Glen-SS towards Pearl Harbor and do a quick recon...

lack of ships is definetely not one of his problems. If you would have sunk 450 recently, okay, but 45...

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RE: How to Prepare? - 5/16/2008 11:46:31 PM

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Should I make it my goal to sink 450 more ships??!! Piece of cake...

I know that I should still have a superior CV TF to his. Problem are those dratted Hellcats...

Anyone know a way to knock them down without sending in 10,000+ Zekes to shot down 50 Hellkitties?!!

I just got Chitose pumped out from her torpedo hit. System Damage is 53... Will probably send her down to Soerabaja or Singapore for repairs. I do love the extra repair yards in this Mod! I have substantial repair facilities at Manila, Cebu, and Soerabaja. When one adds these to Singapore, Hong Kong, and Shanghai, it really allows me to spread around my damaged shipping without overloading the Home Islands.

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RE: How to Prepare? - 5/17/2008 1:24:38 AM

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I just got Chitose pumped out from her torpedo hit. System Damage is 53... Will probably send her down to Soerabaja or Singapore for repairs.

As long as she brings her own fuel supply.

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RE: How to Prepare? - 5/17/2008 1:46:51 AM

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What is that great quote at the of the Michael Keaton movie about Japanese and American autoworkers? That older Japanese man approaches Keaton, stares at him, and in a completely serious voice says "I like you. You make me Raugh (laugh)." That is just what you did Michael.

What was the name of that movie?

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Gung Ho! - 5/17/2008 1:48:22 AM

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Just remembered--Gung HO! That was a funny movie...

First leading role for the Donger...

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RE: Gung Ho! - 5/17/2008 2:49:55 PM

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John, speaking of production and whatnot, what is your pilot training program? Do you have an on-map pilot training program?

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RE: Gung Ho! - 5/17/2008 9:22:19 PM

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I am doing the vast majority of my training on the map in China. I have 15-18 Daitai and Sentai hitting Chinese troops and AF in northern China. Dan has allowed me to do this for over two weeks and some of the units are starting to look pretty good:

1. The bomber units look incredible! Most of my bombers are skilled at the mid-to-high 70s or better...

2. My fighter units are not in as good of shape due to the earlier heavy combat over Rangoon and Hanoi but they are still pretty respectable and improving.

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RE: Gung Ho! - 5/17/2008 11:08:55 PM

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My fighter units are not in as good of shape due to the earlier heavy combat over Rangoon and Hanoi but they are still pretty respectable and improving.

Amboina?!?

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RE: Gung Ho! - 5/18/2008 12:56:57 AM

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OK. I also have 4 units training on a pair of ground units near Amboina. I have a TF about to land some troops and finish them off but right now they serve as fine targets...

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RE: Gung Ho! - 5/20/2008 4:26:28 PM

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Good Morning.

I plan to do a bunch of updating this afternoon when I get the chance. We just passed game day August 15, 1943 and things are still calm. I know that Dan has things moving and am anxiously awaiting where the hammer will fall. Am two weeks from all sorts of new planes coming into production and--if given time--I should be able to make a better impression once Dan does appear.

On the bright side he has quit the attack upon Hanoi and my economy is picking up with infusions of resources and OIL! The oil situation will take time to resolve but things should be humming along when we hit Sept 1st.

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RE: Gung Ho! - 5/20/2008 4:53:35 PM

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On the bright side he has quit the attack upon Hanoi and my economy is picking up with infusions of resources and OIL! The oil situation will take time to resolve but things should be humming along when we hit Sept 1st.

Did I miss a recent upgrade on your TKs??
They now have diesels installed with turbos.

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Ohhh, my... - 5/20/2008 6:37:34 PM

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August 16, 1943
1445 Hours
475 Miles NNE of Marcus Island

Ensign Hosagaya Jima carefully scans the seas from 11,000 Feet as his commander flies the Japanese Emily on its new course. "Where did that distress call from our picket freightor eminate from Radio Operator?

"About 100 miles SW of us Sir" comes the reply from the Operator. "The ship said that it was under attack by 30+ American divebombers with over 100 of their new fighters flying escort."

The Ensign considers that to be a bit of overkill for a freightor but...

Just then, the observer in the nose of the Emily spots numerous ship's wakes to the east. Hastily banking the aircraft, the pilot orders an observation report sent out in the clear. The dots/dashs of Morse Code can be heard almost immediately.

As the signal gets out to Combined Fleet HQ in Saipan, Hosogaya spots the massed formation of numerous American warships and transports. Quickly sweeping the field of vision the Ensign sees transports, battleships, a number of large and small carriers, and numerous escorting vessels. This information is added to the Radioman's message just as hordes of American F6F Hellcats are seen heading for the lumbering recon plane...

To give great credit for this valiant crew, the radioman sends his reports with numerous details for nearly five minutes before it is cutoff in mid-message...

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I've got Jacks! - 5/20/2008 7:38:12 PM

John 3rd

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As my recon continously tracks the inbound American Invasion Fleet, I was moving planes around getting ready for the fight when I suddenly found that my Jacks were ALREADY in production! They must have moved up to August from September after I did the August 1st Economic Report.

I am scheduled to produce over 200 a month. Already have the first Daitai upgrading and should have planes enough to do a second fairly quickly. It won't be enough to fight off the Americans but I will have 2-3 Daitai with 80-85 Experience flying some hot new fighters...

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RE: I've got Jacks! - 5/20/2008 7:58:58 PM

Mike Solli

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Jacks are great. In my opinion, they're the first great Japanese fighter plane. They'll tear up Allied planes. Never saw then against Hellcats though.

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