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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/21/2008 12:17:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good guesses all!  Only 2 out of 6 have been positively and thoroughly correct.

Keep 'em coming and feel free to modify your answers.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/21/2008 7:56:13 AM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/21/2008 10:13:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lysander is a Light bomber OMG! when it as a light bomber very few missions were flown in this way sounds allmost like a dream to me. mostly used to ferry offices around and special opps men. I had to smile when it was flying as a fighter in witp.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/21/2008 10:20:37 AM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/21/2008 2:27:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cathartes

Good guesses all! Only 2 out of 6 have been positively and thoroughly correct.

Keep 'em coming and feel free to modify your answers.



Try again, how's this?

1. P-43, No.1 PRU San RAAF
2. DH-89 Dragon Rapide, MVAF
3. Lockhhed Electra UC-36, US Navy
4. Westland Wapiti, RIAF (I think the RAF, RCAF & RAAF had finished using theirs by 1941)
5. Curtiss SB2C-4, US Navy
6. Hawker Hurricane MkI, No.258 Sqn RAF (No trop filter would point me towards MkI, looks like no spinner either which would indicate a lack of spares, probably Java/Sumatra)

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/21/2008 3:43:47 PM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/21/2008 4:05:20 PM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/21/2008 5:14:30 PM   
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Try again, how's this?

1. P-43, No.1 PRU San RAAF
2. DH-89 Dragon Rapide, MVAF
3. Lockhhed Electra UC-36, US Navy
4. Westland Wapiti, RIAF (I think the RAF, RCAF & RAAF had finished using theirs by 1941)
5. Curtiss SB2C-4, US Navy
6. Hawker Hurricane MkI, No.258 Sqn RAF (No trop filter would point me towards MkI, looks like no spinner either which would indicate a lack of spares, probably Java/Sumatra)


1. Correct
2. Halfway there
3. Looking like it, but not it
4. Correct
5. You're hot
6. You're cold (a double hint with that statement)



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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/21/2008 5:36:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cathartes

1. Correct
2. Halfway there
3. Looking like it, but not it
4. Correct
5. You're hot
6. You're cold (a double hint with that statement)



In that case,

2. DH.89 Dragon Rapide, RAF (The serial indicates British stock rather than Australian)
3. Lockheed L-12 Electra Junior, US Navy
5. SB2C-5 USN (USS Intrepid's air group I believe)
6. Hawker Hurricane MkXII, RCAF (2nd choice through the lack of spinner)

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/24/2008 7:06:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dixie, you've taken the most interest and effort, so pm me 12 aircraft you would like to see displayed.  I'll pick 6 (if you pick ones that are actually in AE! )

The DH.89 is with the RNZAF and the RCAF Hurri Mk.XII is with the 135 squadron.
The Beech 18 is a curve ball as it's nearly identical to the Lockheed L12.



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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/24/2008 7:30:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cathartes

Dixie, you've taken the most interest and effort, so pm me 12 aircraft you would like to see displayed. I'll pick 6 (if you pick ones that are actually in AE! )

The DH.89 is with the RNZAF and the RCAF Hurri Mk.XII is with the 135 squadron.
The Beech 18 is a curve ball as it's nearly identical to the Lockheed L12.





Oooh, so close I had the Hurri narrowed down to one of 3 squadrons. RNZAF would not have been my first (or second) guess for the DH.89... As for the Beech 18, I may have got it eventually, but probably not. US stuff isn't my strongest point

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/24/2008 11:07:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the new version of WITP AE it states that you have up to 500 aircraft artworks how many if any are not used at this moment in time?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/25/2008 7:03:43 AM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/26/2008 2:29:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for coming back to me, could you tell me if the following aircraft are in the new version:-

USAAF P-39Q
USAAF P-38H

USN PBY-3
USN PBY-4
USN PBY-5
USN PBY-5A
USN PBY-6A
USN J2F-5 Duck
USN J2F-6 Duck

Australian Beaufort MkV

Canada Canso MKI

Thanks

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/29/2008 8:39:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		A number of the above are certainly in there.  I'm not at liberty to be specific.


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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/30/2008 10:30:49 AM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/30/2008 2:16:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		How about the first P 47's to get to Australia, which were IMMEDIATELY given wing drop tanks like those on the P 38 ?

http://www.cradleofaviation.org/history/aircraft/p-47/6.html




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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/31/2008 8:34:47 AM   
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4" clearance when taxying = not viable on anything other than the most high quality strip... And for good measure the B26 was a pig - a real widow maker if you didn't know what you were doing. I thing horrendous accidental losses might also have been a worry!


According to Jimmy Doolittle's autobiography, the 'widow maker' story about the B-26 was a myth.


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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/31/2008 8:39:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tigercub

It is hard to get info on the type4 GP 500kg anti shipping bomb but the twin E bombers of the army and navy used it.

and would like to see it in AE!

Tiger!


There is a website with the US Navy technical documents on most all of the Japanese ordnance details. Here it is:


http://www.fischer-tropsch.org/primary_documents/gvt_reports/USNAVY/USNTMJ%20Reports/USNTMJ_toc.htm




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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/31/2008 8:50:22 AM   
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Hi, could anybody explain flags to airplanes: what mean amphibian and float and what is the difference? Are they the same with except float can be carried by ships?



The "amphibian" tag enables an aircraft to operate from any base, size 0+, incl. landlocked ones.

The "float" tag limits an aircraft to operating from a size 0+ coastal base only (same as FP's and FF's currently). We use it to define float transports, but you could tag anything, say to make a float heavy bomber fx.



It is illogical for an amphibian to be able to use a size 0 landlocked base. There must either be water or a landing strip to use an amphibian. An amphibian is simply a plane that can land on water or on an airstrip because it also has wheels. If there is no airstrip, it can't land on a landlocked base.


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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/31/2008 8:57:10 AM   
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Can we please include a 'minimum AF size' rating for each AC type. I know i can calculate it by using the total bomb load plus x minus the square of unit cohesion plus instructor rating divided by cost of peanuts. But wouldnt it just be simpler to have a little number telling me 'minimum AF for max load = 6' or something!

now that should be simple!


Any response to Flying Tiger's question?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/31/2008 6:36:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Pascal

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ORIGINAL: timtom

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ORIGINAL: Monter_Trismegistos

Hi, could anybody explain flags to airplanes: what mean amphibian and float and what is the difference? Are they the same with except float can be carried by ships?



The "amphibian" tag enables an aircraft to operate from any base, size 0+, incl. landlocked ones.

The "float" tag limits an aircraft to operating from a size 0+ coastal base only (same as FP's and FF's currently). We use it to define float transports, but you could tag anything, say to make a float heavy bomber fx.



It is illogical for an amphibian to be able to use a size 0 landlocked base. There must either be water or a landing strip to use an amphibian. An amphibian is simply a plane that can land on water or on an airstrip because it also has wheels. If there is no airstrip, it can't land on a landlocked base.



Why can't float planes land in land hexes? If the hex is 40 miles across, surely many land hexes will have a lake or river somewhere within them that could base float planes?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/31/2008 6:46:33 PM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 5/31/2008 10:50:17 PM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2008 2:27:39 AM   
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Besides, building an airbase next to a river only makes it more difficult.


Why would that be? The land surrounding a river is often the flattest in any area, and so - unless the river is known for flooding regularly - is often the best place for an airbase.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2008 2:40:19 AM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2008 3:24:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know that several major airports in the US are next to rivers, as well as several military airbases. It all depends upon the lay of the land...

IIRC, Dobadura was one of these. The Japanese ignored the great floodplain there and the US built it up into a major base (major for New Guinea, that is).

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2008 3:26:55 AM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2008 3:32:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		In many ways you are right on this: if there is level enough land above the floodplains, you would rather put the airport there so as not to have to deal with the floods. In mountainous areas, this is often impossible (you might not be too familiar with such terrain, being from Denmark and all ). Sometimes you have to accept a less than desirable location because it allows for a quick or inexpensive build.



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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 6/1/2008 3:37:16 AM   
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