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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/10/2008 9:42:48 PM   
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Are you following this America?




No.



Hehe, the most funniest thing is that all of that stuff spoken by Cleese are - true.





Typical European anti-american bigotry. I expected more from the "enlightened."



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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/10/2008 9:43:12 PM   
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Looks like the Russians are drunk as well, like the Italians were yesterday.


That and Spain are a good team. But they won't win the tournament

As usual...

Every tournment I remember, they made such a game while they often didn't even reach the final rounds...

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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/10/2008 9:52:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		"As usual", you are indeed correct, Historiker. Anyway, "often" is not correct. You should have said "almost never" or "except one time". 1964, and they won (Euro Cup).

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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/10/2008 9:56:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Typical European anti-american bigotry. I expected more from the enlightened"

And I think we should avoid the anti thing [or this thread will be pretty soon locked, I predict]. Although Cleese is 100% right. I mean, that's Aristotle's Logic if I ever saw one

For all I care, if they want to call their [Americans] national sport FOOTBALL, it is ok. They are not hurting anybody. But this obviously means that if someone invents a new sport and calls it er... basketball... or baseball... then it is ok as well...

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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/10/2008 10:03:09 PM   
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"As usual", you are indeed correct, Historiker. Anyway, "often" is not correct. You should have said "almost never" or "except one time". 1964, and they won (Euro Cup).

I wouldn't count Urugay as WM-favorite as well

This single won was long before my time - but you are right, it shows that despite all "one game hurray, but mostly away from tournement after 3 games", they can win.

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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/10/2008 10:09:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Historiker, but notice that in my first [?] post I clearly said that there ARE surprises in the Euro Cup... Greece, Denmark, etc.

But I suspect you won't see these teams winning the World Cup in 1 million years

As for Uruguay, well, they can say they have 2 World Cups, not too bad, eh? And even Italy. Before the last one, they only won one (1982) and then 2 before WW2. A loooong time ago

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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/10/2008 11:34:00 PM   
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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/10/2008 11:58:47 PM   
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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/11/2008 12:07:20 AM   
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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/11/2008 12:14:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		True ... but to be honest - the Greeks made a very weak impression.

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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/11/2008 12:24:52 PM   
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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/11/2008 12:29:34 PM   
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Yeach go Sweden tommorow we face off against Austria... i hope we will win


I feel that you will, probably 1-0....

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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/11/2008 12:53:10 PM   
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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/11/2008 9:50:45 PM   
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Tough game but a good victory... The Check Republic is not an easy time...

Very proud of new generation of young portugueses players... many of them educated and trained in my club (Sporting Club of Portugal)

Cristiano Ronaldo
Ricardo Quaresma
João Moutinho
Nani
Bosingwa
Pepe

plus some others that did not had a change to play yet...

As usual big party in Lisbon again...

Greetings

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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/11/2008 10:24:49 PM   
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Portugal will be a tough nut to crack if we meet...

Nice to see that Christiano Ronaldo has changed to a team player meanwhile!


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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/11/2008 10:35:11 PM   
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can you please change your sig-banner!!!!

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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/11/2008 10:37:00 PM   
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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/11/2008 10:39:11 PM   
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we have a common language, but other than that......

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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/11/2008 10:53:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, but you are. You can deny it as Bavarians deny sometimes to be Germans as well - but that doesn't change anything with the facts...

The (german languaged) People of Denmark, the Netherlands, Luxemburg, Belgium, France, Switzerland, Austria, Italy, Slovenia, Poland, CZ and the FRG are all German tribes. A lost war and a policiy of "we were the first victim" doesn't change this (apart from the fact, that Austrians had a unporportional high percentage of war crimes and in members of the SS - and that the majority acclaimed the "Anschluß").

If you don't like it, then don't do this. You are free to deny that you are of German originin despite the fact that you are exactly that. To be of an origin doesn't forbid a "tribe" to start feeling as an own nation - as the Austrians started to do in the last 60 years (while they wanted to join Germany after WW1) and like the Durch do since centuries. To talk about a common origin and of a relatedness doesn't mean by any way, that the sovereignity of a nation isn't accepted.

Of course, it's a common Austrian identiy not to be a German tribe, because of that, they can claim not to have any relationship with the horrible 3rd Reich - but as the first Chancellor of the Free FRG Konrad Adenauer said: "If the Austrians should ever claim reparations, we will send them the remains of Adolf Hitler"


Do you think scandinavians would howl because of a "a hurray to the scandinavian national teams" by a swedish? Would this mean any revanchistic reclaiming of the old swedish territorys or any foolish like this?

Why can't you just be pleased that a german wishes you luck as well, while your nation's always gleeful after every German loss (I knew that because I watched ORF 1 1996, 1998 and 2000. Prohaska i.e. said "sadly, I expect the germans will advance")?


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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/11/2008 10:53:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cristiano grew up a lot in Man. Utd.

He left Sporting at 18 years old (it's passed 5 years now... We miss him in Alvalade)

In Portugal we're also thinking in Germany (but for the half finals if we both get there)... It's a team that deserves everyones respect...

Tacticaly superb team...

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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/11/2008 10:56:51 PM   
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Cristiano grew up a lot in Man. Utd.

He left Sporting at 18 years old (it's passed 5 years now... We miss him in Alvalade)

In Portugal we're also thinking in Germany (but for the half finals if we both get there)... It's a team that deserves everyones respect...

Tacticaly superb team...

Sadly, Figo isn't in the team any longer. I liked to see him play...
Anyway, despite all respect, I hope it ends like 2006 if our teams will meat

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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/11/2008 11:18:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Historiker, er, a little stop by to clarify this "irrelevant" geographical & linguistic note: I was under the impression that there are 4 languages in Switzerland... German, French, Italian and Rumantsch... Not trying to piss in your pockets though

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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/11/2008 11:31:33 PM   
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Historiker, er, a little stop by to clarify this "irrelevant" geographical & linguistic note: I was under the impression that there are 4 languages in Switzerland... German, French, Italian and Rumantsch... Not trying to piss in your pockets though

True. Still, the majority of nearly 2/3 speak German and the origin of Switzerland is German. The Italian, French and Rumansh cantons were mainly conquered later. So the origin of Switzerland is cleraly German, while it's people is a mixture of 3 peoples (+ the romansh which share an origin with the italians)

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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/11/2008 11:38:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, more historical notes. No, the old Swiss were celtic (apparently): Helvetii... So, I guess Germans were invaders as well, eh, just like the French and Italians?

In other words, French and Italians could do a similar banner... but with the French & Italian flags instead of the German... which means the Swiss Football Team has got many many supporters Fair enough But I wonder what Swiss people think about all this mess...

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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/11/2008 11:45:52 PM   
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Ok, more historical notes. No, the old Swiss were celtic (apparently): Helvetii... So, I guess Germans were invaders as well, eh, just like the French and Italians?

In other words, French and Italians could do a similar banner... but with the French & Italian flags instead of the German... which means the Swiss Football Team has got many many supporters Fair enough But I wonder what Swiss people think about all this mess...

Hehe

like most tribes in europe have been invaders once... The Swedish might also claim a relatedness with the Spanish and Portuguese, as the Visigoths (origined in Sweden) moved there after their loss of the old Tolosan Empire...

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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/11/2008 11:55:54 PM   
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Now there are even experts who say that (for example) the English language maybe was not brought during the Barbarian Big Invasions (the Anglo-Saxons)... Maybe it was already spoken there... This would explain why English is close to Dutch (when in theory it should be closest to German or Danish instead)...



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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/11/2008 11:58:48 PM   
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Great match and unlucky Swiss

As regards Ronaldo, he hasnt grown up at United judging by his whoring out for more money and teasing madrid. Great player though. Viva Ronaldo, running down the wing, hear united sing, viva ronaldooooooooo

BTW Scolari announced as new Chelski manager. Psilva seems to me you'll be needing a new national manager!

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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/11/2008 11:59:33 PM   
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Ok, more historical notes. No, the old Swiss were celtic (apparently): Helvetii... So, I guess Germans were invaders as well, eh, just like the French and Italians?

In other words, French and Italians could do a similar banner... but with the French & Italian flags instead of the German... which means the Swiss Football Team has got many many supporters Fair enough But I wonder what Swiss people think about all this mess...

Hehe


So can we refer to Scottish, Welsh, Australian, New Zealanders and Americans as part of the English tribe??? I'm sure they'd all love that

like most tribes in europe have been invaders once... The Swedish might also claim a relatedness with the Spanish and Portuguese, as the Visigoths (origined in Sweden) moved there after their loss of the old Tolosan Empire...


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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/12/2008 12:09:42 AM   
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BTW Scolari announced as new Chelski manager.



They can bring in any manager they like, they'll still bore me to tears.

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RE: Very OT : Euro 2008 - 6/12/2008 12:09:57 AM   
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Back to the footie eh

Great match and unlucky Swiss

Indeed. While I don't like the Turkish Team since 2005, they did a good game and so deserve to get their chance to go on.

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