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OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/17/2008 9:22:02 PM   
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Just wondering. With all the diverse nationalities on this forum and the number of veterans. What were your military rations like? I served in the United States Army and MRE's were ok. The best field rations I got to eat were from the French Foreign Legion, we traded 3 MRE's to 1 but the French meal had a bottle of wine, foi gras(sorry if I misspelled) sardines, condensed milk, Coq au Vin, biscuits and other items. Could have recruited me right there on the basis of there field chow.

So what were field rations like for my fellow WitP grognards?

P.S. Anyone who can detail WWII Japanese rations is especially welcome, a lot of information just describes the ration as dried fish and rice. Photographic evidence suggests that it was more varied than that, plantains, pigs, coconuts and seaweed are plainly seen. Canned items are in evidence but unlabeled (at least in the photo's I've seen). If there is a Japanese field manual on rations I have yet to see it. So dear posters and lurkers chime in and please don't Disregard

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/17/2008 9:36:26 PM   
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My grandfather served with the 41st division in SWPac, on New Guinea. A couple food notes he mentioned:

1. BANANAS: Were issued ALOT on New Guinea. Way too much. Every day. The only fruit you got. He never ate bananas again after the war.

2. PORK: Here is part of his memior:

Spam and Fresh Pork

As soon as the airfields on Owi Island, near Biak were completed, a major part of the aircraft and personnel on Wakde Island were moved forward from Wakde Island. They left behind a refrigerator barge with substantial quantities of fresh pork. When we started to get the fresh meat, it was a far cry from the Spam that most soldiers loathed. But we had pork for breakfast, dinner and supper. In the tropics, pork fat can be a bit much. That is one reason, we disliked Spam, but that isn't the complete answer as people in more temperate climates hated Spam, too. After about 2 weeks of fresh pork, 3 times a day, I disliked it too. It was during June 1944 that we had the pork, so I may have been affected by hepatitis. But there were others who turned up their nose when pork was served just after I issued their ration of atabrine (an anti malarial drug) in the mess line.

Also, he was a pilot, and that meant you got a whiskey ration. Not sure how that makes sense, but here it is, also from memior:

The Surgeon Issues All Pilots a Whiskey Ration
Pilots were authorized to receive a ration of 2 ounces of whiskey each day. When I arrived at Biak, the Division Artillery Surgeon was issuing each pilot a shot glass of whiskey each day from a bottle. One by one, pilots began to suspect that the shot glass held only one ounce of liquid. That meant that the pilots received 11 ounces of booze, while the surgeon had a very adequate supply for his use. That led to an altercation among 12 people. While the votes didn't count, the surgeon wisely decided to issue a fifth to each pilot every 12 days.


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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/17/2008 9:42:33 PM   
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Thanks Q-ball, reminds me of a story I heard from my dad. When my Grandfather returned from the Pacific my Grandmother welcomed him home with a dinner made from a wonderful new product on the market. SPAM. Kinda lucky that both my dad and myself are here eh?

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/17/2008 9:51:54 PM   
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quote:

Canned items are in evidence but unlabeled (at least in the photo's I've seen).


I'll bet it was Chef Boyardee Chow Mein .......  and I'll bet there are still cans of it out there in the jungles.....


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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/17/2008 9:53:50 PM   
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Had Ramen noodles been invented yet? THAT would have been a low-cost ration!!!!!!

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/17/2008 9:56:53 PM   
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Japanese Army doctrine called for using "local supply" as much as possible to subsist the troops. That in large part accounts for the shorter logistical tail of Japanese formations. It worked adequately in China where there were lots of peasants to steal food from. Didn't work as well in places where the only abundant local supply was insects and poisonous reptiles. In such places the logistical units which were designed and equiped for providing mostly non-edible supply were overwhelmed by having to supply sustenance for the troops as well (ignoring any accounting for the additional supply required to make up for that lost enroute). Thus malnutrition continually sapped the strength of Japanese units deploying to SOPAC/SWPAC. At least the marines, soldiers and sailors of the Allies generally had enough Spam to complain about.

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/17/2008 9:57:13 PM   
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When I was deployed to Louisiana after Hurricane Rita in 2005, we got ahold of some British rations.  They were 24 hour rations.  They included tea (of course), coffee, lemonade, some sort of beef stew, rice pudding, hard candy, some wonderful vegetable crackers, the same kind of wonderful fruit crackers, some meat pate in a can and probably a few other things I don't remember.  I still have a couple at home.  Not bad.  The really strange thing was what has to be a bull's eye on the outside of the box.  Target practice????

When I was in Kosovo in 2004-5, most of the other countries soldiers stationed there wanted MREs.  We had a huge stockpile and often traded for other stuff, just to see what they were like.  The most notable was the Spanish version.  Everything was in tins or toothpaste tubes.  Lots of fish, including squid.   I couldn't stomach it.  I still have a breakfast and dinner meal at home but I'm afraid to open them.

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/17/2008 10:09:55 PM   
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quote:

some sort of beef stew


I wonder if that was the same stuff as I had with the Australian troops in Haiti. It was like Dinty Moore Beef Stew with all the beef removed and replaced by fat and gristle.

Gotta say that the Aussies had their priorities straight. First went up the Officer's tents, then the chow hall tent (with beer), followed by the volleyball net followed by the enlisted tent. Keep in mind we were not allowed real beer, just not alcohol, and we could smell the Victoria Bitters from the Aussies chow hall. So what if they have to wear weird shorts as uniform I think they got their priorities straight.

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 12:08:51 AM   
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"Soldiers Guide to the Japanese Army"

http://www-cgsc.army.mil/carl/wwIIspec/number27.pdf

Description of field rations on page #17

I've got the standard ration listing for bases as well (if I can find it) for when they were in supply...it's not bad. 

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 12:36:20 AM   
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J7B, that was an awesome link, thanks.

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 2:31:00 AM   
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You're quite welcome.  Go to their search function, type in "Japanese" (or some such), and there's several other manuals and reports available.  Lot's of other interesting stuff there too... 

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 3:32:31 AM   
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Wow.  Excellent link.  Thank you!

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 2:04:55 PM   
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My army had C rations which contained a P 38 folding can opener, a 4 cigarette pack of smokes(usually some brand nobody would ever buy), some toilet paper, a can of whatever the main course was(there were maybe 8 different types), a small tin of hardtack,maybe a tin of peaches or fruit cocktail, or a pound cake(Ya' had to pound them out of the can into your canteen cup to mix in with the peaches to make a cobbler), and there may be a foil wrapped piece of hard delicious chocolate, and a plastic pack of plastic eating utensils with a packet of salt and pepper.....
In the field we tried to have a bottle of McIlhenny Tabasco with us at all times.

I could polish off a case of "C's" in 2 days..(Meant to last a week).

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 2:32:38 PM   
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"I could polish off a case of "C's" in 2 days"

Aaaaaah!  To have the bowels of a 19 YO again...you tried that now, they'd be doing emergency surgery in the ER with either a jack hammer or a industrial drilling rig.

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 2:41:46 PM   
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Well i might want to try the MRE:) you can buy them in poland they are smuggled out of Afghanistan

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 2:49:41 PM   
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Well i might want to try the MRE:) you can buy them in poland they are smuggled out of Afghanistan



They've come a long way in 20 years... i discovered them from a discarded "Pork Patty" MRE i found discarded near where troops had been maneuvering (when i lived near Ft. Bragg, NC)... the plastic was (still is) tough enough to require a knife to open, and after trying the "pork patty" i can well understand why someone declined to eat it...

EDIT: i doubt many "pork patty" MREs are shipped to Afghanistan...

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 2:50:44 PM   
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My army had C rations which contained a P 38 folding can opener, a 4 cigarette pack of smokes(usually some brand nobody would ever buy), some toilet paper, a can of whatever the main course was(there were maybe 8 different types), a small tin of hardtack,maybe a tin of peaches or fruit cocktail, or a pound cake(Ya' had to pound them out of the can into your canteen cup to mix in with the peaches to make a cobbler), and there may be a foil wrapped piece of hard delicious chocolate, and a plastic pack of plastic eating utensils with a packet of salt and pepper.....
In the field we tried to have a bottle of McIlhenny Tabasco with us at all times.

I could polish off a case of "C's" in 2 days..(Meant to last a week).


You forgot the most important thing: a packet of instant coffee. My wife loved them damn things. When I returned to the states, our duffels were sent to the wrong place. Took 12 hours to get them to where we were. We had already cleared customs (on time) and had to sit in a "quarrentine" area until the bags got there. The MPs had to watch us to make sure none of us snuck out so by the time the bags arrived, they were a tad anxious to get done and head to bed themselves. When my turn came up, he didnt even look in it, just asked some questions any food ect. I told him I had about 150 c rats coffees in the bottom of the bag. He rolled his eyes and said "you didnt say that" "say what?" I said, "right, NEXT!". Apparently we werent supposed to bring them back in country either heh.

In the rangers we had something they called a Lerp (LRP - long range patrol). Kind of a fore-runner to the MRE, but god awful nasty. Dehydrated barf in a plastic bag, that no matter what you did, you couldnt re-constitute, so we ended up just eating them dry (when we couldnt forage something better, like live beetles or something

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 3:03:06 PM   
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Knew I had this somewhere...

Table 11. Typical assortment of Japanese food supplies in overseas garrisons.
 
Drinks:
Green tea in tin layered boxes
Powdered milk in cans
Sweet sake in cans and bottles
Cider in bottles
Beer in bottles
Gin in bottles
Karupis in bottles (A soft drink made from citric fruit derivatives and lactose)
 
Sea food:
Sardines in cans
Clams in cans
3-in-1: Clams, seaweed and beans
Rolled seaweed (seasoned) in cans
Laver in dried form and seasoned
Mackerel in cans
Salted salmon in cans
Dried cuttlefish
Trout in cans
Dried Bonito Fish
 
Fruits and vegetables:
Boiled bamboo sprouts in cans
Fried bean curd
Boiled burdock in cans
Apple (dehydrated)
Boiled loyus rhizome in gallon cans
Sprouted beans
Past of arum root in cans
Dried pumpkin in boxes
Boiled spinach in cans
Mushroom in cans
Bean flour in cans
Soy bean sauce in woo barrels or in cans.
Dehydrated Soy bean sauce in gallon-sized drums
Soy bean paste in wood barrels
 
Cereals and staples:
Rice in sacks and cans (>100 lbs)
Wheat in sacks (>100 lbs)
Rice cakes in cans
Powdered rice dumplings in cans
Rice boiled together with red beans in cans
Biscuits
Wheat gluten in cans
 
Special:
Glucose in tablet form
Vitamin pills
Vinegar in bottles
Beef (both seasoned and unseasoned) in cans
Dried whole meat
Curry powder in cans
Sugar in sacks
Ginger
Essence of taste (of vegetable origin) in tin cans
Vitamin biscuits
Caramel

All Japanese garrisons had sufficient food stores to last for a period of six months or more. The supplies consisted of rice, barley, canned foods, such as beef, bamboo sprouts, and fruit, biscuits, beer, saki and cigarettes.  While the variety of Japanese building and clothing supplies provided to the individual garrisons would vary according to the type and geographical location of the base, the variety of food supplies is unlikely to vary substantially - if at all.

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 3:22:21 PM   
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Sea food:
Sardines in cans
Clams in cans
3-in-1: Clams, seaweed and beans
Rolled seaweed (seasoned) in cans
Laver in dried form and seasoned
Mackerel in cans
Salted salmon in cans
Dried cuttlefish
Trout in cans
Dried Bonito Fish


What? No salted sea-urchin roe???

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 4:29:34 PM   
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I want to know what "Essence of taste (of vegetable origin)" is; perhaps just a tiny little hint of some kind of plant?  :)

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 5:36:21 PM   
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I want to know what "Essence of taste (of vegetable origin)" is; perhaps just a tiny little hint of some kind of plant?  :)


I guess it is monosodium glutamate. The famous Ajinomoto

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 5:52:44 PM   
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During my time in, I was lucky enough to experience both the C-rats and the early MREs (or as we called them "Meals rejected by Ethiopians"). I prefered the C-rats myself.

The MREs had this packet of peanut butter that had the consistancy and taste of drywall spackle. Marked on the outside of the packet was the statement "Kneed before using". During one field exercise where we hadn't been feed on a regular basis, one of my fellow soilders pulled out the peanut butter, read that statement on the packet and said..."Well, there is no way I would be eating this if I didn't need it".

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 6:14:38 PM   
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"Essence of taste (of vegetable origin) in tin cans"
 
My guess would be that this is a dehydrated/powdered soup base 

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 6:16:20 PM   
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During my time in, I was lucky enough to experience both the C-rats and the early MREs (or as we called them "Meals rejected by Ethiopians"). I prefered the C-rats myself.

The MREs had this packet of peanut butter that had the consistancy and taste of drywall spackle. Marked on the outside of the packet was the statement "Kneed before using". During one field exercise where we hadn't been feed on a regular basis, one of my fellow soilders pulled out the peanut butter, read that statement on the packet and said..."Well, there is no way I would be eating this if I didn't need it".



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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 7:24:03 PM   
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3-in-1: Clams, seaweed and beans


That's an explosive combination........


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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 8:53:29 PM   
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My army had C rations which contained a P 38 folding can opener, a 4 cigarette pack of smokes(usually some brand nobody would ever buy), some toilet paper, a can of whatever the main course was(there were maybe 8 different types), a small tin of hardtack,maybe a tin of peaches or fruit cocktail, or a pound cake(Ya' had to pound them out of the can into your canteen cup to mix in with the peaches to make a cobbler), and there may be a foil wrapped piece of hard delicious chocolate, and a plastic pack of plastic eating utensils with a packet of salt and pepper.....
In the field we tried to have a bottle of McIlhenny Tabasco with us at all times.

I could polish off a case of "C's" in 2 days..(Meant to last a week).


You forgot the most important thing: a packet of instant coffee. My wife loved them damn things. When I returned to the states, our duffels were sent to the wrong place. Took 12 hours to get them to where we were. We had already cleared customs (on time) and had to sit in a "quarrentine" area until the bags got there. The MPs had to watch us to make sure none of us snuck out so by the time the bags arrived, they were a tad anxious to get done and head to bed themselves. When my turn came up, he didnt even look in it, just asked some questions any food ect. I told him I had about 150 c rats coffees in the bottom of the bag. He rolled his eyes and said "you didnt say that" "say what?" I said, "right, NEXT!". Apparently we werent supposed to bring them back in country either heh.

In the rangers we had something they called a Lerp (LRP - long range patrol). Kind of a fore-runner to the MRE, but god awful nasty. Dehydrated barf in a plastic bag, that no matter what you did, you couldnt re-constitute, so we ended up just eating them dry (when we couldnt forage something better, like live beetles or something


Mentally, I may have forgotten the coffee subconciously becuase the packets provided so damned little that when put into a hot canteen cup, it was nothing but colored water, and then you burnt your hands on the cup to boot!

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 8:55:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Charbroiled

During my time in, I was lucky enough to experience both the C-rats and the early MREs (or as we called them "Meals rejected by Ethiopians"). I prefered the C-rats myself.

The MREs had this packet of peanut butter that had the consistancy and taste of drywall spackle. Marked on the outside of the packet was the statement "Kneed before using". During one field exercise where we hadn't been feed on a regular basis, one of my fellow soilders pulled out the peanut butter, read that statement on the packet and said..."Well, there is no way I would be eating this if I didn't need it".



Uhh....I never tasted drywall spackle..

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 9:00:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Charbroiled

During my time in, I was lucky enough to experience both the C-rats and the early MREs (or as we called them "Meals rejected by Ethiopians"). I prefered the C-rats myself.

The MREs had this packet of peanut butter that had the consistancy and taste of drywall spackle. Marked on the outside of the packet was the statement "Kneed before using". During one field exercise where we hadn't been feed on a regular basis, one of my fellow soilders pulled out the peanut butter, read that statement on the packet and said..."Well, there is no way I would be eating this if I didn't need it".


I came in during the early MREs. (By the way, they've gotten much better.) I was on a medical mission in Argentina years ago where the kids had chronic runs. We quickly ran out of medicine to stop them up, so we started giving them the peanut butter out of the MREs and the T-rations we had for breakfast and dinner. That did the trick. By the way, T-rations are much worse than the old MREs.

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 9:01:36 PM   
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During my time in, I was lucky enough to experience both the C-rats and the early MREs (or as we called them "Meals rejected by Ethiopians"). I prefered the C-rats myself.

The MREs had this packet of peanut butter that had the consistancy and taste of drywall spackle. Marked on the outside of the packet was the statement "Kneed before using". During one field exercise where we hadn't been feed on a regular basis, one of my fellow soilders pulled out the peanut butter, read that statement on the packet and said..."Well, there is no way I would be eating this if I didn't need it".



Uhh....I never tasted drywall spackle..


So, are you saying you never had MRE peanut butter? Same stuff.

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RE: OT: An army travels on its stomach - 6/18/2008 10:27:16 PM   
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Mentally, I may have forgotten the coffee subconciously becuase the packets provided so damned little that when put into a hot canteen cup, it was nothing but colored water, and then you burnt your hands on the cup to boot!


That is where the cocoa packets came in....nothing like the sweet taste of weak mocha to start your day.

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