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New BETA AAR's Please (ex: see Snigberts) - 3/22/2002 3:42:21 AM

Sinjen

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Snigberts AAR's were great reading. I would love to see some more posted here. I am greatly anticipating this game along with my friends and would enjoy reading some more AAR's as we await the release.

Thx to all who have posted AAR's up to this point.

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- 3/22/2002 12:59:14 PM

Joel Billings

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Here's the combat report from days 3-6 of the 4 Weeks of Hell scenario. I'm playing the Allies in a PBEM game. This scenario starts on Oct 22 1942 and lasts 28 days. It does not cover New Guinea operations, only those around Guadalcanal. We have fog of war on so the reports have some distortion built into them. The combat report is a text file recap of all major action during the previous turn (it doesn't capture all action, missing search planes attacking ships and subs while on search, coastwatcher reports, etc.).

As the Allies I elected to launch a pre-emptive land assault against the Japanese forces in Lunga (Henderson Field hex). The Japanese are fatigued and short of supplies. However, this does threaten to use up my precious supplies before I can get a convoy in to resupply my forces, and could shut down my air operations prematurely (supplies are generic). Of course with the constant IJN attempts to bombard my airfield that may not be a problem. I started the game by sending all PT boats to Guadalcanal, while I formed my 2 CV's, 2 BB's 4 CLAA's and some DD's into a carrier force and sent it northeast of Guadalcanal. I hoped this might intercept his bombardment forces form Truk or at least keep his carriers away from my surface forces. I sent a TF with 4 CA's 2 CL's and 9 DD's immediately to block any attempt to bombard Lunga, while I also assembled a large force of DD's to act as a follow up force. I sent oilers out to the southeast of Guadalcanal so I could keep forces at sea. My transports started loading cargo and troops for the resupply run. I also built up an airbase at Wunpuko (north Espiritu Santo), basing around 45 B-17's there to support my ground troops on Guadalcanal.
This is the results reported on October 24 and 25 (the pattern in the report is all night actions/all day actions/all night actions day 2/all day actions day 2):

AFTER ACTION REPORTS

Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Shell hits 3
BB Haruna, Shell hits 4, on fire
CA Maya, Shell hits 1, on fire
CL Isuzu
DD Hayashio
DD Maikaze, Shell hits 1
DD Isokaze
DD Amatsukaze
DD Urakaze, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
DD Arashi
DD Murasame
DD Samidare
DD Harusame

Allied Ships
CA Portland, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA Northampton, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
CA Pensacola
CA San Francisco, Shell hits 4
CL Hobart, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CL Helena
DD Fletcher
DD Grayson
DD Monssen
DD Buchanan
DD Lardner
DD McCalla, Shell hits 1
DD Hughes
DD Anderson
DD Mustin

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Shell hits 1
BB Haruna, Shell hits 12, on fire, heavy damage
CA Maya, Shell hits 2, on fire
CL Isuzu, Shell hits 2
DD Hayashio
DD Maikaze, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Isokaze
DD Amatsukaze
DD Urakaze, on fire, heavy damage
DD Arashi
DD Murasame
DD Samidare
DD Harusame, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CA Portland, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
CA Northampton, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA Pensacola
CA San Francisco, Shell hits 1
CL Hobart, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CL Helena, Shell hits 2
DD Fletcher
DD Grayson
DD Monssen
DD Buchanan
DD Lardner
DD McCalla
DD Hughes
DD Anderson
DD Mustin

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei, Shell hits 1
BB Kirishima, Shell hits 7
CL Tatsuta
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Tanikaze
DD Yamagumo
DD Shiratsuyu
DD Yudachi
DD Umikaze
DD Akatsuki
DD Ikazuchi

Allied Ships
DD Lansdowne
DD Barton
DD Bagley
DD Helm
DD Ellet, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
DD Sterett
DD Wilson
DD Maury
DD Mahan
DD Conyngham
DD Shaw, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
DD Cushing
DD Selfridge
DD Phelps
DD Balch

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei, Shell hits 1
BB Kirishima
CL Tatsuta
DD Tokitsukaze, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hamakaze
DD Tanikaze
DD Yamagumo
DD Shiratsuyu
DD Yudachi
DD Umikaze
DD Akatsuki
DD Ikazuchi

Allied Ships
DD Lansdowne, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Barton
DD Bagley
DD Helm
DD Ellet, on fire, heavy damage
DD Sterett
DD Wilson
DD Maury
DD Mahan
DD Conyngham, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Shaw, and is sunk
DD Cushing
DD Selfridge
DD Phelps, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Balch

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Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-R Irving x 2

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 21
P-400 Airacobra x 9
P-39D Airacobra x 12

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Air attack on TF at 33,36

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3
SBD Dauntless x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 3

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless x 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
APD 1, Bomb hits 1, on fire

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Air attack on TF at 36,33

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 26

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 13
SBD Dauntless x 21
TBF Avenger x 3
P-400 Airacobra x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged
SBD Dauntless x 10 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 8 damaged
TBF Avenger x 2 destroyed
TBF Avenger x 1 damaged
P-400 Airacobra x 2 damaged

LCDR V.Reese of VT-Composite bails out and is CAPTURED

Japanese Ships
CV Junyo, Bomb hits 1
CV Zuikaku

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Air attack on TF, near Tassafaronga at 37,39

Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 3

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless x 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Urakaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Air attack on TF at 43,40

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 10

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val x 11 destroyed

ENS D. Rehm of VF-8 scores kill number 2

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise

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Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-R Irving x 1

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 16
P-400 Airacobra x 7
P-39D Airacobra x 12

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Air attack on 230th Regiment, at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 6

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 16

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 238

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF at 36,33

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 13
P-400 Airacobra x 3

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged
P-400 Airacobra x 1 destroyed
P-400 Airacobra x 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Hatsukaze

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Ground combat at Lunga

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 19580 troops, 213 guns, 105 vehicles

Defending force 16936 troops, 249 guns, 18 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 635

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 149

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato, Shell hits 10, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CA Tone, Shell hits 22
DD Suzukaze
DD Shirayuki
DD Harukaze

Allied Ships
PT 36
PT 37, Shell hits 76, and is sunk
PT 39
PT 40
PT 43, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
PT 44
PT 45
PT 61, Shell hits 8, and is sunk

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato, Shell hits 20, on fire
CA Tone, Shell hits 10, on fire
DD Suzukaze
DD Shirayuki
DD Harukaze

Allied Ships
PT 59
PT 64
PT 66, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
PT 67
PT 68
PT 110
PT 107
PT 109, Shell hits 26, and is sunk

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Naval bombardment of Lunga, at 38,40

Allied aircraft

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra x 2 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra x 5 damaged
P-400 Airacobra x 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 6
Runway hits 25

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Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-R Irving x 2

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 23
P-400 Airacobra x 5
P-39D Airacobra x 10

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Air attack on TF at 37,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 52

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 15
SBD Dauntless x 54
TBF Avenger x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 1 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3 damaged
SBD Dauntless x 6 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 28 damaged
TBF Avenger x 3 destroyed
TBF Avenger x 8 damaged

PO2 R.Ikura of EII-1 Daitai scores kill number 2

LCDR E. Lindsey of VT-6 is KILLED

Japanese Ships
CVL Zuiho
CA Chikuma
CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CS Chitose
CA Suzuya

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Air attack on TF at 37,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 34

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5
SBD Dauntless x 18
TBF Avenger x 15

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless x 7 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 13 damaged
TBF Avenger x 12 destroyed
TBF Avenger x 7 damaged

PO1 N.Minobe of EII-1 Daitai scores kill number 3

LCDR E. Hanson of VT-8 is KILLED

Japanese Ships
CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

CVL Zuiho
CA Suzuya
CA Atago

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Air attack on TF at 37,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 51

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 16
SBD Dauntless x 11
TBF Avenger x 3
P-400 Airacobra x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 3 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3 damaged
SBD Dauntless x 4 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 7 damaged
TBF Avenger x 2 damaged
P-400 Airacobra x 1 destroyed

WO J.Matsumura of EII-1 Daitai scores kill number 2

Japanese Ships
CVL Zuiho

CV Zuikaku
CA Kumano
CV Junyo
DD Kawakaze

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Air attack on TF at 34,36

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6
SBD Dauntless x 3

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless x 2 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Air attack on TF at 41,36

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
D3A Val x 24
B5N Kate x 28

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val x 23 destroyed
D3A Val x 6 damaged
B5N Kate x 21 destroyed
B5N Kate x 15 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 damaged

ENS D. Rehm of VF-8 scores kill number 3

LT T. Ichihara of EI-3 Daitai is KILLED

Allied Ships
CV Hornet, Bomb hits 1
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 1
BB South Dakota
CLAA Juneau

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Air attack on TF at 41,36

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7
D3A Val x 18
B5N Kate x 16

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val x 15 destroyed
D3A Val x 6 damaged
B5N Kate x 12 destroyed
B5N Kate x 9 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged

ENS C. Starkes of VF-8 scores kill number 3

Allied Ships
CLAA Juneau
CLAA Atlanta
CV Hornet
BB Washington, Torpedo hits 1
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 1, on fire

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Air attack on TF at 41,36

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
B5N Kate x 6

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged
B5N Kate x 2 destroyed
B5N Kate x 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

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Air attack on TF at 40,41

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val x 2 damaged

Allied Ships
APD McKean

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Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-R Irving x 2

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 16
P-400 Airacobra x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 8

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Air attack on TF at 37,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 26

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8
SBD Dauntless x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 2 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless x 10 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 10 damaged

CDR J. Sutherland of VF-8 scores kill number 3

LT K. Okajima of EII-1 Daitai is KILLED

Japanese Ships
CA Kumano
CV Zuikaku

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Air attack on TF at 37,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 13
SBD Dauntless x 14
TBF Avenger x 4

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 3 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 14 damaged
TBF Avenger x 1 destroyed
TBF Avenger x 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Zuikaku
CV Shokaku, on fire, heavy damage
CV Junyo, Bomb hits 1, on fire

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Air attack on TF at 37,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 21
P-400 Airacobra x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 destroyed

LTJG E. Conant of VF-6 scores kill number 3

Japanese Ships
CV Junyo, on fire
CV Zuikaku

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Air attack on TF at 41,36

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
D3A Val x 9
B5N Kate x 6

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val x 6 destroyed
D3A Val x 4 damaged
B5N Kate x 4 destroyed
B5N Kate x 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 destroyed

LT Y. Subota of EII-3 Daitai is KILLED

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CV Hornet
CLAA San Diego

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So after the first 2 days of action, the Enterprise is knocked out of action, as is the Shokaku. Other carriers and BB's take some hits as well. US PT boats do an amazing job, getting 2 torps into the Yamato (followed later by a 1000 pound SBD delivered bomb), although they pay a heavy price in sunk PT's. A major bombardment of Henderson Field is averted, although planes losses on both sides appear to total near 100. I'm not sure, but I'm hoping I've made a dent in the Japanese battleship force, although a lot of those reported shell hits could be of the 20mm and/or 5" variety. As usual, Japanse torpedoes took a heavy toll from the USN cruiser force.
At this point I ordered the Hornet to cover the Enterprise while it tried to get away. More light surface forces were ordered up to cover the Allied transport force and defend against another Japanese attempt to bombard Lunga. New aircraft were rushed to Henderson Field, although it's too dangerous to overstuff the field with every plane I have.

The following is what happened on October 26 and 27:

AFTER ACTION REPORTS

Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
DD Yugumo, Shell hits 37, and is sunk
DD Akigumo
DD Makigumo
DD Makinami, Shell hits 9, on fire
DD Kagero
DD Fumizuki

Allied Ships
PT 36, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
PT 39
PT 40
PT 44
PT 45
PT 59
PT 64
PT 67
PT 68
PT 110
PT 107

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Naval bombardment of Lunga, at 38,40

Allied aircraft

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless x 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra x 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra x 7 damaged
P-400 Airacobra x 1 destroyed
P-400 Airacobra x 4 damaged

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 19

Airbase hits 19
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 59

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Sub attack near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
SS I-24, Shell hits 35, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
PT 39, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
PT 107

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Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-R Irving x 2

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 15
P-400 Airacobra x 2
P-39D Airacobra x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-R Irving x 1 destroyed

LT H. Watanabe of R7/204th Chutai is KILLED

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Air attack on TF, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 5

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero x 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress x 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Akigumo

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF at 41,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 13
SBD Dauntless x 15
TBF Avenger x 6

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged
SBD Dauntless x 3 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 6 damaged
TBF Avenger x 2 destroyed
TBF Avenger x 5 damaged

PO1 O.Asada of EII-1 Daitai scores kill number 2

Japanese Ships
DD Akigumo
DD Yugumo, on fire, heavy damage
CVL Zuiho, Bomb hits 1
CA Myoko
CV Zuikaku

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Air attack on TF at 41,37

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15
D3A Val x 8
B5N Kate x 4

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val x 7 destroyed
D3A Val x 1 damaged
B5N Kate x 2 destroyed
B5N Kate x 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged

LCDR L.Kotani of CII-3 Daitai is KILLED

Allied Ships
BB South Dakota
CV Hornet, Torpedo hits 1

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Air attack on TF at 41,37

Japanese aircraft
E13A1 Jake x 10

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake x 4 destroyed
E13A1 Jake x 5 damaged

ENS D. Cronin of VF-8 scores kill number 2

Allied Ships
BB South Dakota
BB Washington
CV Hornet

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Air attack on TF at 41,37

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
D3A Val x 10
B5N Kate x 3

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val x 6 destroyed
D3A Val x 4 damaged
B5N Kate x 2 destroyed

ENS H. Gustafson of VF-8 scores kill number 3

Allied Ships
CV Hornet, Bomb hits 1

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Air attack on TF at 41,37

Japanese aircraft
F1M2 Pete x 10

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
F1M2 Pete x 5 destroyed
F1M2 Pete x 5 damaged

LCDR T.Muto of Chitose-2 Daitai is KILLED

Allied Ships
CV Hornet, on fire
BB South Dakota

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Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-R Irving x 2

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 16
P-400 Airacobra x 2
P-39D Airacobra x 3

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Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 50
G3M Nell x 45
G4M1 Betty x 50

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 16
P-400 Airacobra x 2
P-39D Airacobra x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 2 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged
G3M Nell x 1 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 2 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6 damaged
P-400 Airacobra x 1 damaged
P-39D Airacobra x 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra x 1 damaged

CDR Y. Kozono of F1/Tainan Daitai is KILLED

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 249
Guns lost 1

Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x G3M Nell at 6000 feet
3 x G3M Nell at 6000 feet
3 x G3M Nell at 6000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty at 6000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty at 6000 feet
9 x G4M1 Betty at 6000 feet
5 x G3M Nell at 6000 feet
3 x G3M Nell at 6000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty at 6000 feet
5 x G4M1 Betty at 6000 feet
5 x G3M Nell at 6000 feet
8 x G3M Nell at 6000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty at 6000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty at 6000 feet
3 x G3M Nell at 6000 feet
9 x G4M1 Betty at 6000 feet
8 x G3M Nell at 6000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty at 6000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty at 6000 feet
3 x G3M Nell at 6000 feet

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Air attack on 29th Regiment, at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 4

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 15

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 147
Guns lost 1

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF at 41,37

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 20
E13A1 Jake x 3

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Air attack on TF at 41,37

Japanese aircraft
F1M2 Pete x 4

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Naval bombardment of Lunga, at 38,40

Allied aircraft

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4 damaged
P-400 Airacobra x 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 34

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Ground combat at Lunga

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 19258 troops, 212 guns, 105 vehicles

Defending force 16182 troops, 246 guns, 18 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 340

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 135
Vehicles lost 1

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei
BB Kirishima, Shell hits 7
CA Tone
CL Tatsuta
DD Hayashio
DD Isokaze, Shell hits 2
DD Hamakaze
DD Tanikaze
DD Yamagumo
DD Shiratsuyu
DD Yudachi
DD Umikaze
DD Akatsuki
DD Ikazuchi
DD Shirayuki
DD Harukaze

Allied Ships
PT 40
PT 44, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
PT 45, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
PT 59
PT 64
PT 67, Shell hits 11, and is sunk
PT 68
PT 110
PT 107

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei
BB Kirishima
CA Tone
CL Tatsuta
DD Hayashio
DD Isokaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Tanikaze
DD Yamagumo
DD Shiratsuyu
DD Yudachi
DD Umikaze
DD Akatsuki
DD Ikazuchi
DD Shirayuki
DD Harukaze

Allied Ships
APD McKean, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei, Shell hits 9
BB Kirishima
CA Tone
CL Tatsuta, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hayashio
DD Isokaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Tanikaze
DD Yamagumo
DD Shiratsuyu
DD Yudachi
DD Umikaze
DD Akatsuki
DD Ikazuchi
DD Shirayuki
DD Harukaze

Allied Ships
PT 40
PT 59, Shell hits 30, and is sunk
PT 64
PT 68, Shell hits 46, and is sunk
PT 110
PT 107

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei, Shell hits 8
BB Kirishima, Shell hits 17
CA Tone
CL Tatsuta, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hayashio
DD Isokaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Tanikaze
DD Yamagumo
DD Shiratsuyu
DD Yudachi
DD Umikaze
DD Akatsuki, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
DD Ikazuchi
DD Shirayuki
DD Harukaze

Allied Ships
PT 40, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PT 64
PT 110
PT 107

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei, Shell hits 8
BB Kirishima, Shell hits 12, on fire
CA Tone, Shell hits 3
CL Tatsuta, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hayashio
DD Isokaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Tanikaze
DD Yamagumo
DD Shiratsuyu
DD Yudachi, Shell hits 2
DD Umikaze
DD Akatsuki, on fire, heavy damage
DD Ikazuchi
DD Shirayuki
DD Harukaze

Allied Ships
PT 64
PT 110, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
PT 107, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

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Naval bombardment of Lunga, at 38,40

Allied aircraft

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless x 2 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 6 damaged
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7 damaged
P-39D Airacobra x 2 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra x 3 damaged
P-400 Airacobra x 1 destroyed
P-400 Airacobra x 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 20

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 46

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Naval bombardment of Lunga, at 38,40

Allied aircraft

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 19 damaged
SBD Dauntless x 1 destroyed
SBD Dauntless x 2 damaged
P-400 Airacobra x 1 destroyed
P-400 Airacobra x 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 83

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 123

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Sub attackat 41,34

Japanese Ships
CL Yura
CV Zuikaku
CA Takao
DD Yukikaze

Allied Ships
SS Bowfin

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Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-R Irving x 2

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6
P-39D Airacobra x 1

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Air attack on TF, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 4

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 6

Japanese Ships
PG Keijo Maru
PC Ch 5

Attacking Level Bombers:
2 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
D3A Val x 4
B5N Kate x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val x 5 damaged
B5N Kate x 2 destroyed
B5N Kate x 1 damaged

CDR M.Nakajima of EII-3 Daitai bails out and is CAPTURED

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

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Air attack on TF at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7
B5N Kate x 3
E13A1 Jake x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate x 2 damaged
E13A1 Jake x 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-R Irving x 2

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6
P-39D Airacobra x 1

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Air attack on 230th Regiment, at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 4

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 15

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 146
Guns lost 1

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 4

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero x 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress x 2 damaged

LT P.Nomura of F2/6th Daitai bails out and is CAPTURED

Japanese Ships
PG Seikai Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PC Ch 18
PG Nikkai Maru

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet

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Air attack on TF, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 3

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6
P-39D Airacobra x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val x 1 destroyed
D3A Val x 1 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Sterett

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Air attack on TF at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
E13A1 Jake x 3

Allied Ships
DD Stack

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
PG Keijo Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire
PG Nikkai Maru, Shell hits 4, on fire
PG Seikai Maru, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
PC Ch 4
PC Ch 5, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
PC Ch 17, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
PC Ch 18

Allied Ships
DD Barton
DD Bagley
DD Helm, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Sterett
DD Wilson
DD Maury
DD Mahan
DD Cushing
DD Smith
DD Selfridge
DD Balch
DMS Zane

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The Enterprise took a beating. In case my opponent is reading this I don't want to give away too much, as with fog of war on, you don't always know about enemy ships sunk until up to as much as 60 days after they sink. Thus, I don't really know if I've sunk many of the ships I've pounded, and neither does he know for sure about many of mine. Let's just say we've both took a pounding. Somehow I have to manage to get my convoys into Lunga sometime in the next week or so, supported by enough surface ships to survive any attacks. I think I've chewed up his carriers pretty well, either damaging their flight decks or shooting down or damaging most of his bombers. It's his CA's and DD's at night that I really fear. That's all for now. Hope you enjoyed this.

Joel

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- 3/22/2002 3:01:52 PM

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Just what the doctor ordered, Thanks!

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- 3/22/2002 8:15:46 PM

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quote:

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 10

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val x 11 destroyed

Thats what I call a good result! :D

Anyway, I really looking forward to play this game :)

Keep up the good work

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- 3/22/2002 11:37:43 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kensai
[B]

Thats what I call a good result! :D

Anyway, I really looking forward to play this game :)

Keep up the good work [/B][/QUOTE]
Ah, you know those fly boys, they never did learn to count correctly. :D

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no encontre en ningun sitio - 3/23/2002 12:15:58 AM

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In these aars, I was not able to locate these ships:
CV Kaga
CV Soryu
CV Hiryu
CV Akagi

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- 3/23/2002 12:22:11 AM

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Wow, thx for the AAR Joel. It looks like your PT Boats held the line for quite awhile there. However, attrition in your PT boat fleet looks to have nearly wiped them out. Lets hope they did enough damage to those Japanese heavies to make up for their brave sacrifice.

I noticed towards the end after your PT fleet was wiped out that the Bombardment fleets were starting to get thru.

Hrmm ever consider stripping your BB's from the CV TF and sending them in supported by cruisers and destroyers at night to try and stop the Bombardment and japanese resupply?

Also something I did in the old QQP game, "WWII: Battles of the South Pacific" was to group my subs into wolfpacks. Is this possible in UV? If so perhaps having a wolfpack patrol there might net you some rewards.

Just some ideas, thanx again for posting Joel.

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- 3/23/2002 12:29:15 AM

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One more thing..keep those AAR's coming. It is great reading and very enjoyable. They are greatly appreciated by those of us waiting for the game release.

Thx again for posting the AAR. Helps give some insight into the strategic and tactical possibilities.

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Missing Carriers... - 3/23/2002 12:34:11 AM

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Those carriers indeed aren't there, which shouldn't be a surprise given the fact that it's long after Midway. We're playing the historical scenario "Four Weeks of Hell", which goes for a month starting on October 22nd, 1942.

... or perhaps that was a dig at the IJN, in which case we'll just have to see how you like the "No Midway" campaign scenario where all of them can show up in the South Pacific. :D

In any case, Joel and I have been PBEMing as part of the beta test and as you might expect he's an excellent player. This is my first time taking the Japanese against him and I have to say that his deployment of BBs and CLAAs in one very solid carrier TF has proven to be an excellent decision. While I made it through his CAP on that first round of attacks without suffering much damage, his effective flak accounted for plane after plane.

In our last PBEM, I sent Washington and South Dakota to Guadalcanal in separate TFs to conduct surface combat and bombardment. Both of them went to the bottom of Iron Bottom Sound thanks to multiple Long Lance hits and some chance encounters with the Yamato and the Musashi. Ouch.

Regards,

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- 3/23/2002 12:40:42 AM

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hrmm, perhaps those american BB's are more valuable in a AAA role with the carrier TF than as an addition to the surfice action force. If I remember correctly the American BB's could keep up with the carriers and had a great AAA rating. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, Erik or Joel, can you group your subs into wolfpak like groups and concentrate them in an area? Since you know enemy surface action and resupply fleets are coming there, this tactic might payoff.

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Yep... - 3/23/2002 12:50:50 AM

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The BBs are quite speedy, close enough to the carriers and they carry very good complements of AA guns, particularly the 40mm Bofors. I had considered using them in that role, but decided against it. I think either way can be effective, but Joel's decision in this case almost certainly saved the Hornet from further damage.

You can certainly form wolfpacks and assign your subs to patrol, lay mines or transport. I'll post here the results from the next turn, where you can see that the badly wounded Enterprise met up with one of my subs on the way back to Noumea...

Here's the next turn from the combat report file:

AFTER ACTION REPORTS

Sub attackat 43,40

Japanese Ships
SS I-1

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 4, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
PC Ch 18

Allied Ships
PT 38
PT 46
PT 48
PT 60

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
PG Keijo Maru, on fire, heavy damage
PG Nikkai Maru, heavy damage

Allied Ships
PT 38
PT 46
PT 48
PT 60

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Sub attackat 43,36

Japanese Ships
DD Takanami
CA Myoko
CA Suzuya

Allied Ships
SS Argonaut, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

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Sub attack near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
SS I-9

Allied Ships
PT 60

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Sub attack near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
SS I-7

Allied Ships
PT 48
PT 60

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Air attack on TF, near Tassafaronga at 37,39

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress x 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Isuzu

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet

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Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-R Irving x 1

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 14
P-400 Airacobra x 1
P-39D Airacobra x 1

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
CA Chokai, Shell hits 12, on fire
CA Kinugasa, Shell hits 26, and is sunk
CL Isuzu, Shell hits 11, on fire
CL Yubari, Shell hits 1
DD Amatsukaze
DD Arashi
DD Murasame
DD Samidare
DD Uzuki
DD Mochizuki, Shell hits 15, and is sunk
DD Yuzuki, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Asakaze

Allied Ships
DD Barton, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Bagley
DD Helm
DD Sterett
DD Wilson, Shell hits 1
DD Maury, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Mahan
DD Cushing, Shell hits 15, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Smith, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Selfridge, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Balch, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
DMS Zane

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
CA Chokai, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
CL Isuzu, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
CL Yubari, Shell hits 17, on fire, heavy damage
DD Amatsukaze
DD Arashi
DD Murasame, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Samidare, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
DD Uzuki
DD Yuzuki, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
DD Asakaze, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CA Pensacola, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
CL Helena, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
DD Fletcher
DD Grayson, Shell hits 2
DD Monssen
DD Buchanan
DD Lardner
DD McCalla
DD Hughes
DD Anderson
DD Mustin

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei, Shell hits 4
BB Kirishima, Shell hits 2
DD Hayashio
DD Isokaze
DD Hamakaze, Shell hits 1
DD Tanikaze
DD Yamagumo
DD Shiratsuyu, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Yudachi
DD Umikaze
DD Ikazuchi
DD Shirayuki
DD Harukaze

Allied Ships
CL Helena, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
DD Fletcher
DD Grayson, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
DD Monssen, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Buchanan
DD Lardner
DD McCalla, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
DD Hughes
DD Anderson, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
DD Mustin

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei
BB Kirishima, Shell hits 8
DD Hayashio
DD Isokaze, Shell hits 1
DD Hamakaze, on fire
DD Tanikaze
DD Yamagumo
DD Shiratsuyu, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
DD Yudachi
DD Umikaze
DD Ikazuchi
DD Shirayuki
DD Harukaze

Allied Ships
DD Fletcher
DD Buchanan, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Lardner, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Hughes
DD Anderson, and is sunk
DD Mustin, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
DD Akitsuki
DD Terusuki, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Akigumo
DD Makigumo, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Kagero
DD Suzukaze
DD Fumizuki, Shell hits 1, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Barton, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
DD Bagley, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Helm
DD Sterett
DD Wilson
DD Maury, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Mahan, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Cushing, and is sunk
DD Smith, on fire
DD Selfridge, on fire
DMS Zane

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Sub attack near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
AP Daifuku Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Swordfish

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 32
Vehicles lost 1

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Sub attack near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
DD Arashi, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Swordfish

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Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-R Irving x 1

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 13
P-400 Airacobra x 2
P-39D Airacobra x 2

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Air attack on TF at 43,36

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 23
A6M3 Zero x 4

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6
SBD Dauntless x 5

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless x 5 destroyed

PO2 D.Minami of EII-1 Daitai scores kill number 3

LTC W. Rodee of VMSB-232 bails out and is CAPTURED

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You can see that while the Hiei and Kirishima TF did well, the Chokai's TF was absolutely savaged by the remaining Allied cruisers and destroyers. The SG Radar-equipped Helena in particular performed very well before being sent to the bottom by my follow-on force.

Since Joel is reading this, I can't comment on current and future operations that didn't show up here, but you it's a safe bet that the action will continue at least for the next two turns until one or both of us becomes a bit more cautious.

Regards,

- Erik

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- 3/23/2002 1:03:08 AM

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Looks like you both are throwing everything into the meatgrinder there. The japanese BB's seem to rule the waves whenever they are engaged.

{PO2 D.Minami of EII-1 Daitai scores kill number 3

{LTC W. Rodee of VMSB-232 bails out and is CAPTURED

I noticed that it every so often it reports someone getting Kill #3 or dying or getting captured. Are these squadron leaders? What bearing does their kill count or capture\death have on the squadron or their individual abilities???

Thx again.

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- 3/23/2002 1:07:59 AM

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Give a medal to the skipper of the Swordfish. Not only did he get a torp into a transport off Guadalcanal, killing troops on board, but he then got 2 torpedo hits on an IJN DD. You can bet there are plenty of subs of both sides operating around Guadalcanal. I think I have around 15 on station.

Joel

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PT-Boats - 3/23/2002 8:34:24 PM

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Very intersting thing you wrote, go on !

But after reading your posts, i think you should change something with the pt-boats. Sure they have the chance to kill capital ships, but only with torpedos, the idea of pt�s sinking or damaging heavily a crusier or battleship with guns is strange and should be fixed. Also, the chance of stopping a task force with pt�s should be like a jackpot in lottery. Sure, ambushed and sleepy, a tf could suffer heavily from the torpedos of the pt�s, but not with 20/40 mm cannons....

also, wich kind of torpedos do they use ?
The german s-boats had the submarine torps (if i remember correct) so if this is similar to the american/japanese pt�s, they should have the same advantage/disadvantages of the toprs of that time.

An other question, you told us about the hits, but i think we should differ between big gun hits or huge explosions (after a critical hit) and the hits of a 40 mm cannon (well, i think it is really a difference if the washington will be hit by an 25mm flak gun or a 18,1 inch granade of the yamato....) Maybe this could be done, also, a "war record" ship by ship, like engagements, successes, shot down planes, sunk ships and so (with fog of war, this isn�t exactly, but well, you will love your successfull ships and hate your unlucky ships)

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- 3/24/2002 1:14:11 AM

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I did not "stop" the TF with torpedoes. They still bombarded. I just got a few lucky hits. In the combat animations you can see reports of the type of shell that is hitting (too much info for combat report summary). I don't think all those 20mm and machinegun hits do much to most of the ships they hit. I did see a DD reported as sunk after hit many times in a PT action, but it might have been damaged going into the combat.

Joel

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- 3/24/2002 1:40:34 AM

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Keep those AAR's coming, they are really giving us an insight into the fun waiting to be had playing this gem.

Too bad there isn't IP to IP play, but from the way you talk PBEM is pretty cool.

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- 3/26/2002 7:21:11 AM

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Well, coincidentally about 2 hours before I saw the email suggesting I move BB's into defend Lunga, I had sent off my save game doing just that. I couldn't admit to it immediately as I didn't want my opponent to know what I was doing. We've played about 6 more days since then and I can give a brief recap from my point of view. First, my force of 2BB 4CLAA and 5DD sailed in to Lunga and intercepted several TF's. The one I remember most is a group of 10 unescorted transports. Erik had 2 DD's in the hex left over from a previous battle and he hoped that this force would help block my surface group from getting at his transports. He also ordered 4 CA back to Lunga to protect the convoy. The CA's didn't get there in time and the 2 DD's could not protect the convoy. At the end of the action I think I had sunk just about every transport and DD at Lunga. Erik said I sank about 1/3 of a division with the transports.

At the same time my planes at Henderson Field were getting the occasional bomb hit on his carriers. The Enterprise was sunk by a submarine as it limped back to port, and the Hornet withdrew to Noumea with considerable damage. I just was notified that the Shokaku is sunk. His remaining carriers seem to have withdrawn, either due to damage or heavy air group losses, or both.

I was able to get two convoys into Guadalcanal so I now have more troops, engineers and aviation support units, as well as the much needed supplies. My land attack, suspended for 4 days due to a lack of supplies, has gone forward again and I've almost driven the Japanese force back to Tassafaronga. On the most recently completed turn, a major Japanese bombardment task force hit Guadalcanal again, but I've still got a large air force ready on Guadalcanal and they have been getting their licks in.

The scenario has another 12 days to go, but it looks like Henderson Field is secure.

Joel

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- 3/26/2002 7:54:34 AM

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Sounds like you have the momentum. His transport fleet is probably going to take longer to replace than yours would. Taking down that transport fleet may be one of the most decisive actions in your campaign. From what you report it definetely kept him from reinforcing his ground forces, enabling you to make some ground.

Keep it coming, would love to hear from both of you as the campaign comes to a close.

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- 3/29/2002 2:44:40 PM

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Recent events in the 4 weeks of hell scenario PBEM game:

After refueling and rearming in Espiritu Santo, my BB/CLAA force returned to Guadalcanal in time to attack a transport group escorted by 1 CA and 2 DD. Most of this convoy was sunk with only minor damage to my force. After this a major Japanese bombardment force got in along with a 150 plane airstrike, destroying many planes and kocking out Henderson Field for a day.
The Japanese player snuck in the Zuikaku and Zuiho south of Guadalcanal hoping to intercept my shipping, however by this point Henderson Field was able to launch significant airstrikes and over the course of 2 days was able to score 4-5 bomb hits on the Japanese carriers. The Japanese carriers launched 40 bombers at my BB/CLAA force that was making it's third trip to Guadalcanal, but the steel curtain of flak prevented any bombs from hitting my ships, and about half of the attacking force was shot down. Right after this my force ran into a Japanese BB group moving into Ironbottom Sound. My now highly experienced crews were able to throw back the enemy force with only minor damage, while causing considerable damage to at least 1 BB and several DD's.
Subs have been particularly active on both sides, with several ships being hit. Cripples leaving the Guadalcanal area have been especially hard hit by the subs.
Here is the most recent combat summary (air operations on both sides were curtailed due to bad weather). The scenario ends on November 18.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/11/42 - 11/12/42

Air attack on TF at 36,39

Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 11
B-26B Marauder x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder x 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AG 5032, Shell hits 4

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-26B Marauder at 1000 feet

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Air attack on TF at 33,36

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 13
SBD Dauntless x 14
TBF Avenger x 5
P-38G Lightning x 4

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless x 3 damaged
TBF Avenger x 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
APD 35
APD 2, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

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Sub attackat 47,54

Japanese Ships
SS I-15

Allied Ships
CLAA San Diego, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

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Sub attackat 24,30

Japanese Ships
AP Unkai Maru #3

Allied Ships
SS Guardfish

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Sub attackat 32,42

Japanese Ships
CS Nisshin, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Gudgeon

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Sub attackat 29,33

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
DD Yamagumo

Allied Ships
SS S-44, Shell hits 1

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Air attack on 230th Regiment, at 37,39

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 25

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress x 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 183

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet

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From the Japanese point of view... - 3/29/2002 10:28:57 PM

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Here's a quick summary of the recent highlights from my side of the monitor...

The convoy loss was definitely decisive. I'd had a 1CA + 2CL + 5DD force guarding it since Rabaul. Unfortunately, the previous day's fighting around Lunga had caused heavy losses to this covering force (and to the US ships that attacked it). Afterwards, I had two operational DDs that I could leave there. That made me quite nervous, particularly when my scout planes noticed his BBs and CLAAs apparently returning without his carriers.

My carrier TFs were heading back to Rabaul, but at present were just a ways north of Guadalcanal. I detached four of my best cruisers and sent them down to protect the convoy at Guadalcanal. In my defense, in our previous game I'd lost both the South Dakota and the Washington while fighting Japanese CAs at night - multiple torpedo hits from Long Lances took both of those mighty ships down. I had every reason to believe that as long as my CAs made it there, they would be capable of causing enough pain to force the US force to turn back.

Unfortunately, here's where I failed my command check and miscalculated the distance they would travel. The CAs were still just short of Lunga when the US armada rolled in, bypassed my weak destroyer patrol and wreaked massive havoc among my large force of transports. It was perfect timing for Joel, since a turn earlier and a turn later my covering force was much stronger. It was also a bad error on my part that has certainly played a huge role in deciding this battle.

After that, I thought I'd ambush his force the next time up by positioning Zuikaku and Zuiho well to the southwest of Guadalcanal where they could launch strikes on his supply lines. Unfortunately, I miscalculated again and a few P-38 escorted strike found my carriers and gave them enough of a pounding that it was not prudent to remain. I still got off one large strike the next time his BB/CLAA force appeared, but the bastards shot down most of my planes without a single hit. :mad: grrr.

I'm hanging on at Tassafaronga, but Lunga is entirely under Joel's control now and I see history coming up behind me like a freight train saying "told ya so". :) I'm fairly sure that Joel pretty much has this one in the bag points-wise (unless I manage to sink a few large ships unanswered), but I'm still going to contest the airspace around Guadalcanal with my strong Zero/Betty/Nell force in Rabaul that has yet to be badly damaged. One of us will no doubt keep you posted as to the highlights.

Regards,

- Erik

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- 3/29/2002 10:41:29 PM

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The closer things get to Rabaul, the more dangerous things should get for the US forces if he is bold enough to take the fight to you.

I wouldn't give up...I've had nothing but light carriers left as the japanese in similiar situation with QQP's South pacwar game and managed to sink Yorktown and Hornet with a surface action group led by the Yamato. I slipped them behind a stormfront to get close, then raced in to intercept the American carrier TF under the cover of darkness.

Losing your transport fleet is probably killing your offensive abilities. This should be somewhat offset by the fact that your DD's and CL's can carry some troops and small amount of supplies via Tokyo express??? Wondering if japanese DD's and CL's can carry troop and small amount of supplies in UV???

This might be enough to hold onto what you have and hope for a decisive engagement to put victory and the initiative back into your hands.

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- 3/29/2002 10:54:06 PM

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When did american ships start using BOFORS AA guns? I read in "The War in the Pacific" that this made a big difference. As I can see in Joels' AA report it was before October 1942.

BTW I read in the same book that American SUbs only became truly effective in January 1944 with the advent of the Mark 18 torpedo.

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Drooling on keyboard - 3/31/2002 1:43:34 PM

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Howdy, great stuff like sitting glued to a radio waiting for news from the front. I have to dry off my keyboard now thanks :eek:

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- 3/31/2002 2:37:27 PM

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How effective were U.S. subs in 1942?

For the most part the old school cautious captains were still at the helm. How many of these guys were aggressive enough to go after japanese naval task forces? If memory serves, Morton, Fluckey, O'kane and other younger, more aggresive skippers didn't get their subs till 43 or 44.

Were bad torpedoes an issue in 1942? I believe I read that most of the torps (Mark 10s?) on hand at the beginning of the war worked fairly well, as they were made slowly by master craftsman and had been overhauled and rebuilt many times by the Navy bureau of ordinance. It was the replacement, mass produced Mark 14 torps that gave U.S. subs trouble till the problems with faulty depth keeping and bad contact exploders were finally identified and corrected.

The Mark 18 had its own problems, one of which was a rudder that tended to jam causing it to run in circles. Several U.S. subs managed to sink themselves with their Mark 18s.

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- 3/31/2002 3:43:11 PM

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Biggest problem with the torpedoes was the Mk. 6 detonator...the magnetic detonator bit didn't work period, and the contact detonator bit only worked about 10% of the time.

Mk 14 torpedo had numerous design flaws...worst was that it ran about 10' deep. The only semi- effective torpedo the US had was the Mk 10, used in the old R & S class pig boats. The Mk 15 was the torpedo used by surface ships, and wasn't that bad a torpedo (comparatively speaking)...but it also used the Mk. 6 detonator. The Mk 15 could also be used in fleet subs (but not S boats)...but had to be loaded into the tubes at dock (from outside?) because they were so long...couldn't be routined (maintenance) either while at sea. The Mk 15 didn't sink a single ship in 1942 because of the Mk 6 detonator...basically, US destroyers in '42 were just oversized gunboats outclassed by the Jp. Navy in almost every way, especially training and tactics.

Starting in '43, they started deactivating the magnetic detonator on all torpedoes, so people at least had SOME chance of their torpedoes going bang. Plus they started rebuilding the contact detonator with field modded firing pins machined from aircraft propellers. Set the depth 10' higher, disabled the magnetic detonator, rebuilt the contact detonator...and bam, they were in business.

How about that Mk 13 air-dropped torpedo? Had to be dropped at around 50'@100 knots airspeed, LOL, or it'd break apart...I think the stall speed for most US torp bombers was around 90 knots. Compare this to the Jp Navy air-dropped torps in use in the early war...good for 1000'+ feet and over 250 kots.

The Mk 18 didn't have a major problem with "circling", no more so than other torps (or not much)...the problem was that for some unknown reason, the Navy Dept. removed the "anti-circular run guard" off its rudders that were standard equipment on earlier torpedoes. Unfortunately, it took a while before someone survived a circular run and came back to explain what was occuring...I'm not certain, but they might not have figured it out until post-war, and some of the survivors who by some miracle survived both their subs sinking and the Jp. POW camp explained what happened...I think they were pretty pissed about it.

Can't believe the Navy never properly tested the torpedoes. Some admirals should have been tried and executed for treason over the entire fiasco. They spent most of '42 denying that there was even a problem

Can't really say that the early war skippers lacked agression in '42...how froggy you going to get when going into combat with weapons that you KNOW ain't gonna work except by divine intervention? The problems with the torps weren't exactly a secret within the submarine community. A large number of the subs in service in '42 were pretty much obsolete to boot. It was also a period when doctrine and tactics were still being formulated, and the new war production fleet subs themselves still had teething problems. Later in the war, the hardware, tactics, training was vastly improved over what it was earlier...you could afford to be a tad bit more aggressive if you were driving a radar periscope equipped "heavy hull" Gato around instead of a creaky old WW1 S boat or a cow like one of the "cruisers".

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Dud Torps - 3/31/2002 8:23:34 PM

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Greetings, to be fair, the only country that entered WW2 with working torpedoes was Japan. They were the only peacetime military to use warshot torpedoes for practice. (This revealed torpedo problems to be fixed before the war began). The Germans could have done much more damage early on had their torpedos worked. (Hmmm..... I think one of their torpedo delvelpment officers was actually shot over this. Have to recheck)

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- 3/31/2002 8:51:18 PM

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My understanding is that the Mk 14 torpedo was tested exactly twice, one of which failed, prior to its release for production and supply to the fleet. However, I don't think it was BuShips officers who should have been shot. It was republican congressmen.

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The next turn... - 3/31/2002 11:00:14 PM

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Here's the next combat report text:

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/13/42

Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 30

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 21
P-39D Airacobra x 21
P-40E Kittyhawk x 18
P-38G Lightning x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 5 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 13 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra x 2 damaged
P-40E Kittyhawk x 1 damaged

LTC E. Conant of VMF-224 is credited with kill number 4

LTC A. Vraciu of VMF-224 is KILLED

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima, Shell hits 2
CA Tone, Shell hits 1
CA Takao, Shell hits 6
DD Yamagumo, Shell hits 3
DD Umikaze
DD Shirayuki
DD Harukaze

Allied Ships
BB Washington, Shell hits 2
BB South Dakota
CLAA Atlanta, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CLAA Juneau
CLAA San Juan
DD Nicholas
DD Gwin
DD Aaron Ward
DD Laffey
DD Russell
DD Morris
DD Benham
DD Wilson
DMS Southard
DMS Hovey

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima, Shell hits 1
CA Tone
CA Takao
DD Yamagumo
DD Umikaze
DD Shirayuki
DD Harukaze

Allied Ships
BB Washington, Shell hits 2
BB South Dakota
CLAA Atlanta, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
CLAA Juneau
CLAA San Juan
DD Nicholas
DD Gwin
DD Aaron Ward
DD Laffey
DD Russell
DD Morris
DD Benham
DD Wilson
DMS Southard
DMS Hovey

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Surface combat, near Lunga at 38,40

Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima, Shell hits 4, on fire
CA Tone, Shell hits 8, on fire
CA Takao
DD Yamagumo
DD Umikaze
DD Shirayuki
DD Harukaze

Allied Ships
BB Washington, Shell hits 1
BB South Dakota, Shell hits 2
CLAA Atlanta, on fire, heavy damage
CLAA Juneau, Shell hits 1
CLAA San Juan
DD Nicholas
DD Gwin
DD Aaron Ward
DD Laffey
DD Russell
DD Morris
DD Benham
DD Wilson
DMS Southard
DMS Hovey

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Air attack on Shortland Island , at 29,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 12

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 18
B-26B Marauder x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-N Rufe x 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder x 11 damaged

LT K.Oyama of FF2/Yokohama Chutai bails out and is RESCUED

Japanese Ships
DD Kagero, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Hiei, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-26B Marauder at 2000 feet
6 x B-26B Marauder at 2000 feet

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Air attack on Lunga , at 38,40

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 85
G3M Nell x 23
G4M1 Betty x 42

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 19
P-39D Airacobra x 22
P-40E Kittyhawk x 13
P-38G Lightning x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero x 7 destroyed
A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged
G3M Nell x 1 destroyed
G3M Nell x 3 damaged
G4M1 Betty x 5 destroyed
G4M1 Betty x 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged
P-39D Airacobra x 10 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra x 6 damaged
P-40E Kittyhawk x 4 destroyed
P-40E Kittyhawk x 4 damaged
B-26B Marauder x 2 destroyed
B-26B Marauder x 1 damaged

PO2 G.Aihara of F1/Tainan Daitai is credited with kill number 2

LCDR J.Kawato of G1/Kanoya Daitai is KILLED

Allied ground losses:
Men lost 32
Guns lost 1

Runway hits 7

Attacking Level Bombers:
4 x G3M Nell at 10000 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty at 10000 feet
6 x G3M Nell at 10000 feet
8 x G4M1 Betty at 10000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty at 10000 feet
4 x G3M Nell at 10000 feet
8 x G4M1 Betty at 10000 feet
9 x G4M1 Betty at 10000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty at 10000 feet
8 x G3M Nell at 10000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty at 10000 feet

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Air attack on 29th Regiment, at 37,39

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 20

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress x 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
Men lost 168

Attacking Level Bombers:
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress at 6000 feet

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Sub attackat 30,35

Japanese Ships
DD Shirayuki

Allied Ships
SS Grayback

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I started sending fighter sweeps to Lunga along with the larger raids from Rabaul. While I assigned about 60 A6M2s to the sweep, about half of them never made it thanks to weather. We had another meeting of the big surface combat forces on Iron Bottom Sound, with another one of those blasted CLAAs going to the bottom. At this rate, I may actually consider attacking that US TF from the air again. :)

Joel launched a raid on the port at Shortlands with his new P-38s flying escort. Unfortunately, the Hiei was anchored there with a few other ships and one of his bombs found it. My BBs have certainly taken a pounding so far in this battle, but I'm definitely glad to say that I haven't lost any (yet).

Regards,

- Erik

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- 4/1/2002 12:35:31 AM

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[QUOTE] Air attack on Shortland Island , at 29,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 12

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 18
B-26B Marauder x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-N Rufe x 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder x 11 damaged [/QUOTE]

curious... 9 marauders attacked, but 11 were shot down. lol :D

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Evaluating hits in the AAR - 4/1/2002 3:45:01 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Adnan Meshuggi
[B]
An other question, you told us about the hits, but i think we should differ between big gun hits or huge explosions (after a critical hit) and the hits of a 40 mm cannon (well, i think it is really a difference if the washington will be hit by an 25mm flak gun or a 18,1 inch granade of the yamato....) Maybe this could be done, also, a "war record" ship by ship, like engagements, successes, shot down planes, sunk ships and so (with fog of war, this isn�t exactly, but well, you will love your successfull ships and hate your unlucky ships)
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I agree. It would be very helpful to have some indication of the general caliber of the hits, especially when evaluating damage to enemy vessels. In Mr. Grigsby's "War in the South Pacific" he used to indicate this by adding 1-4 asterisks after the hit report to give you an idea of how much damage was inflicted by the hit. A typical surface action would look like this:

BB North Carolina Hit* (e.g. for a 5" shell hit)

CLAA San Juan Hit**** (e.g. for a 14" shell hit)

Additionally, after each battle, a list of the enemy ships (by type) was reported with 1-4 asterisks indicating the estimated damage. A typical AAR would look like this:

Enemy Task Force:
CV
CV**
CVL****
CA
CA
CA*
DD
DD
DD**
DD
DD

It was a quick and effective way to estimate damage, and it reflected the tendency for AARs to overestimate damage.

Could something similar to these be added as a modification to the current AAR? This could add significant detail without much additional text.

Thanks!

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