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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

the main hassle is Programming time, the main Programmer works and is going to school, besides the rest of the goodies that go on out there

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ORIGINAL: LuckyJim1006

Fair point but my point is that you do not see many games (war or not) with forums posts 2-3 years old about release dates.

with out going into the details behind it, I would have to say, that this game was mentioned and forum made, way too early, most games, that are in ALPHA, you will not even hear anything about, or may hear a rumor or two, most games in BETA, are not mentioned until the end phase of BETA, this game was set up in the forums, before it was even in ALPHA, so while I will agree with you that it has been on the boards for a long time, it really shouldn't of been, and as far as that goes, we should be seen to be in the late Beta phase


Here are my thoughts. Wargames players tend not to be FPS types who moan about a FPS then look for the next one. We tend to want to make the gaming experience as good as possible for ourselves. We invest time in forums, give feedback, make suggestions and offer to mod.

agree, and that is where most of the people working on this, come from to begin with

So why not scale back the game. Just do a release of BoB for example. Don't charge £30 for it, just make the War over Germany, Med, wherever modules that you can buy for an extra £10.

hassle here is, it is two games with the same engine now, so once BoB is ready to go, so is BTR, what is wrong with BTR is also wrong with BoB, in the old games, most of what you could do in BTR, you couldn't in BoB, and it was a major hassle if you were used to one game or the other (most people who played BTR, didn't go back to BoB, the engine was just too different)

so while a good idea, in this case, it really wouldn't help


I appreciate it is none of my business, and Matrix can do whatever they want however.

again, without going into the details, I have joked with David, that if it wasn't such a boreing story, this would make a good movie, the background stuff has been, very interesting, in fact, most of the people in the story, don't know most of it

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ORIGINAL: vils

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

the main hassle is Programming time, the main Programmer works and is going to school, besides the rest of the goodies that go on out there

Uh ohh.. this is indeed news to me. Matrix dont have employee programmers?!
I find it hard to belive that matrix cant afford that, using scoolboys on their freetime to make all the games. Nay i simply don't belive this, only conclusion here is that this title's priority are on the bottom of the list. I mean, 1+1=2.

Sorry, i don't wan't to offent anyone, knowing you folks involved doing all you can, but it feels abit sad to realise the above, and ofcourse this definately WILL affect quality.

Hiring 2 fulltime coders (a trillion guys on the net would do it for free) would bump this baby to releasedate within a month or so.. That i am certain!

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

and I don't think you can really call Harley a Schoolboy ! (even worse coming from you, Vils, you know Harley and you know his work from before)

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge
the main hassle is Programming time, the main Programmer works and is going to school

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Hiring 2 fulltime coders (a trillion guys on the net would do it for free) would bump this baby to releasedate within a month or so.. That i am certain!

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

Hey Guys

lets calm down a little

one, I got 2 part timers, not one :(

Plus, as I stated, I got 3 "real" programmers who had worked with us and on it (and two of them are Hall of Famers)

and I don't think you can really call Harley a Schoolboy ! (even worse coming from you, Vils, you know Harley and you know his work from before)

and to be honest, that is the way most of the games are done around here (not with parttimers, but with there own programmers, Matrix people do what Matrix people do, and the game people do what they do)

over all, the main plans for the 1st patch, when it comes out, is more a feature patch, for things we can't add in right now, along with any bugs that are found that we didn't see

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

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ORIGINAL: LuckyJim1006

Fair point but my point is that you do not see many games (war or not) with forums posts 2-3 years old about release dates.

with out going into the details behind it, I would have to say, that this game was mentioned and forum made, way too early, most games, that are in ALPHA, you will not even hear anything about, or may hear a rumor or two, most games in BETA, are not mentioned until the end phase of BETA, this game was set up in the forums, before it was even in ALPHA, so while I will agree with you that it has been on the boards for a long time, it really shouldn't of been, and as far as that goes, we should be seen to be in the late Beta phase


Here are my thoughts. Wargames players tend not to be FPS types who moan about a FPS then look for the next one. We tend to want to make the gaming experience as good as possible for ourselves. We invest time in forums, give feedback, make suggestions and offer to mod.

agree, and that is where most of the people working on this, come from to begin with

So why not scale back the game. Just do a release of BoB for example. Don't charge £30 for it, just make the War over Germany, Med, wherever modules that you can buy for an extra £10.

hassle here is, it is two games with the same engine now, so once BoB is ready to go, so is BTR, what is wrong with BTR is also wrong with BoB, in the old games, most of what you could do in BTR, you couldn't in BoB, and it was a major hassle if you were used to one game or the other (most people who played BTR, didn't go back to BoB, the engine was just too different)

so while a good idea, in this case, it really wouldn't help


I appreciate it is none of my business, and Matrix can do whatever they want however.

again, without going into the details, I have joked with David, that if it wasn't such a boreing story, this would make a good movie, the background stuff has been, very interesting, in fact, most of the people in the story, don't know most of it

any body got any questions on the games themself ? it is much easier for me to talk and or show things, then to defend what is going on :)

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ORIGINAL: Executioner Five

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

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ORIGINAL: LuckyJim1006

Fair point but my point is that you do not see many games (war or not) with forums posts 2-3 years old about release dates.

with out going into the details behind it, I would have to say, that this game was mentioned and forum made, way too early, most games, that are in ALPHA, you will not even hear anything about, or may hear a rumor or two, most games in BETA, are not mentioned until the end phase of BETA, this game was set up in the forums, before it was even in ALPHA, so while I will agree with you that it has been on the boards for a long time, it really shouldn't of been, and as far as that goes, we should be seen to be in the late Beta phase


Here are my thoughts. Wargames players tend not to be FPS types who moan about a FPS then look for the next one. We tend to want to make the gaming experience as good as possible for ourselves. We invest time in forums, give feedback, make suggestions and offer to mod.

agree, and that is where most of the people working on this, come from to begin with

So why not scale back the game. Just do a release of BoB for example. Don't charge £30 for it, just make the War over Germany, Med, wherever modules that you can buy for an extra £10.

hassle here is, it is two games with the same engine now, so once BoB is ready to go, so is BTR, what is wrong with BTR is also wrong with BoB, in the old games, most of what you could do in BTR, you couldn't in BoB, and it was a major hassle if you were used to one game or the other (most people who played BTR, didn't go back to BoB, the engine was just too different)

so while a good idea, in this case, it really wouldn't help


I appreciate it is none of my business, and Matrix can do whatever they want however.

again, without going into the details, I have joked with David, that if it wasn't such a boreing story, this would make a good movie, the background stuff has been, very interesting, in fact, most of the people in the story, don't know most of it

any body got any questions on the games themself ? it is much easier for me to talk and or show things, then to defend what is going on :)

Especially when there's no way in hell you can defend what is going on other than as rank unprofessionalism. Matrix should give you guys the heave-ho. As much as I'd like to eventually see this game--not that I think I will at this point--you've conducted this project more like schoolchildren than professionals.

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ORIGINAL: Executioner Five

Especially when there's no way in hell you can defend what is going on other than as rank unprofessionalism. Matrix should give you guys the heave-ho. As much as I'd like to eventually see this game--not that I think I will at this point--you've conducted this project more like schoolchildren than professionals.

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ORIGINAL: jcjordan

 What's the old commercial that said "We'll serve no wine before it's time"? Just keep working on it but just be sure to finish it before 2012