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Scenarios for new H3 Player? - 8/4/2008 11:01:15 PM

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I recently bought a new copy of H3 ANW on Ebay and have updated to version 3.9.3. I also downloaded the complete PlayersDB and scenarios (thanks to Herman for the link to this) to go with the ones included in the game. I'm actually an old H2 player from way back in the 90's giving this game a second chance...

Okay, what are some of the best small and medium sized scenarios, from any database, that you all can recommend?

I have already tried the old Dawn Patrol scenario and then the first Falklands one from the PlayersDB. I played as the Brits in that one and got smoked (sure seems to me that the Argentinians have way more firepower than the Brits in that one...maybe I'm making an excuse, but with only 8 Exocets to fire, and only 1/8 hit for me, I couldn't take out a single ship).

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Harpoon 3 scenarios for the PlayersDB - 8/5/2008 1:50:25 AM

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Welcome back aboard, shipmate!

Can you be more specific on the name of the Falklands scenario? There are at least 11 PlayersDB scenarios centred around the Falklands conflict.

Some of the best small scens for the PlayersDB are:

Falklands battleset - 9 small to Med. scens by Freek Schepers
Hemphill's Ordeal - Blue Water Navy battleset
Duel - Classic GIUK Battleset
Beach Reconnaissance - Stand-Alone Battleset
Alpha Strike 1 - Harpoon Designer Series I NACV Battleset
Alpha Strike 2 - Harpoon Designer Series II MEDC Battleset

Ralf Koelbach has also released a battleset for the HUD3 specifically for introducing new players call PaSon. It is included within the 3.9.X Patch.

When you want a game of MP, just let us know and we'll be happy to oblige.

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RE: Harpoon 3 scenarios for the PlayersDB - 8/5/2008 3:40:53 AM

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Herman, it is the Falkland's battleset from PDB. I just finished playing the 2nd scenario, South Georgia, and lost again as the Brits. I did sink the Argentinian sub, but only 1 of the required 2 land units. I shelled the heck out of several land installations, esp. the infantry company, but evidently did not do enough damage to kill it. I only shelled with one frigate, I should have done so with another...

That's okay, as I'm playing around, experimenting with the game. I thought it was odd that it took the British helos (the Lynxs, I think they were) like 6 hours to load with ASMs, yet only like 30 minutes with torpedoes. Why is that? (not questioning the game, I just don't know the reason).

Also, can Sea Skuas not attack land targets? I kept getting the "Target not valid" or some such message, yet I think the description of that weapon said both ships and land targets were valid.

Thanks very much for the recommendations. I wrote 'em down and will try to play them all over time. I'll keep playing the Falklands set for now. The battles seem pretty fun and I know little to nothing about the capabilities of the RN back then.

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Harpoon 3 scenarios for the PlayersDB - 8/5/2008 4:08:57 AM

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I think that you are mistaken regarding the Sea Skua. Both the ASM [Air-to-Surface] version and the SSM [Surface-to-Surface] version show that the weapon is only capable vs. ship targets.

The difference between aircraft ready times is mostly a matter of taste. In the old H2, all aircraft had a fixed re-arm period of 30 minutes. With H3, a new feature was added, Custom Ready Times. Now, DB editors could have different times for their aircraft. The PlayersDB pretty much uses a generic ready period of 6 hrs for most strike missions to reflect a the planning time, maintenance, crew rest, etc. required for arranging such tasks. It isn't perfect, but in general, it means that the aircraft will fly 3 times a day (6 hr ready time +2 flight time for the strike).

It is only one interpretation of what might happen in a conflict. There are other DB editors who use the 30 min ready time exclusively because that might represent a very short period of high intensity and air operations. We didn't change the default 30 mins for the ASW loadouts because many scenarios require those types of aircraft to cycle fairly rapidly in order to maintain the formation air patrols set out for them. Of course, flying back-to-back missions with only 30 mins respite is probably unrealistic to account for maintenance and crew fatigue, but I think that it will be left for the time being

If you need a longer turn-around time for a scenario you are building, we would be happy to customize a unit for your use.

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RE: Harpoon 3 scenarios for the PlayersDB - 8/6/2008 1:43:06 PM

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I did my best in the Falkland battleset to make the sides as equal as possible. I think the first scen you mention is �dvance Guards'. That one especially I took care that the missile ranges, number of missiles, radar ranges, gun calibres and number of ships are almost identical. That makes that scen very nice for MP, and in testing I manages to lose from both sides (that by the way being my internal critrium for a good scen!).

Glad you're playing this set, any feedback is appreciated, a few months ago Angle of Attack played the whole set MP against Herman and that was very usefull feedback for me!

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RE: Harpoon 3 scenarios for the PlayersDB - 8/6/2008 10:35:52 PM

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I did my best in the Falkland battleset to make the sides as equal as possible. I think the first scen you mention is �dvance Guards'. That one especially I took care that the missile ranges, number of missiles, radar ranges, gun calibres and number of ships are almost identical.� That makes that scen very nice for MP, and in testing I manages to lose from both sides (that by the way being my internal critrium for a good scen!).

Glad you're playing this set, any feedback is appreciated, a few months ago Angle of Attack played the whole set MP against Herman and that was very usefull feedback for me!

Freek

Freek, I am having fun with them. And, I don't mind losing that much, esp. since I am "new" to the game after a LONG time away. I've been playing around and experimenting some with formations and use of aircraft (just helos so far).

Herman or anyone else: I looked through all the databases I have installed with H3 ANW as well as all battlesets and scenarios in each. In the PlayersDB, I have have several sets with no scenarios in them: HDS 1 (all), HDS III (all), and Old Versus New. Is this the way is it supposed to be, or am I missing something?

I appear to have (not counting the 8 tutorial lessons that each set has) the following databases installed:

H3 ANW DB 2.1 with 2 sets / 14 scenarios.
H3 Standard with 6 sets / 97 scenarios.
HUD3 1.0.0 with 7 sets / 65 scenarios.

PlayersDB with 37 sets / 229 scenarios (this includes those 9 sets with 0 scenarios in them).

Are there any other databases I should get? Isn't there a db called DB2000?

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RE: Harpoon 3 scenarios for the PlayersDB - 8/6/2008 10:52:34 PM

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ssclark,

The reason why some of the battlesets in PlayersDB show no, or only a few scens, is that those scens have not been converted/tested from their 3.6.3. origin. The difference between 3.9.3. ANW and its predecessor 3.6.3 means that some scens made for 3.6.3 won't work as intended in ANW. Others need adjustment, all need testing. Theres a slow trickle of scen conversions from 3.6.3. to ANW and a similarly slow new scen build happening by various authors.

On other databases. There is the Colonial DB (which has issued scens for ANW) and DB2K which has lots of excellent scens but for 3.6.3. There are probably more out there!

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Harpoon 3 scenarios for the PlayersDB - 8/7/2008 8:19:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: ssclark

Herman or anyone else: I looked through all the databases I have installed with H3 ANW as well as all battlesets and scenarios in each. In the PlayersDB, I have have several sets with no scenarios in them: HDS 1 (all), HDS III (all), and Old Versus New. Is this the way is it supposed to be, or am I missing something?

Freek is on the money. For example, Old vs. New has three scenarios tested and functional in H3, but they have not been re-tested for ANW compatibility. Thus, Freek has asked not to have them included with the ANW Library collection.

In addition, we have about 20 scens already written for those 'empty battlesets'. They just haven't been released, yet. If you are interested in helping us test them so that they can be released more quickly to the public, we'll make arrangements to get them to you or anyone else. All you gotta do is play the game/scenario. Design expertise is not required.

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Are there any other databases I should get? Isn't there a db called DB2000?

There are four databases that can be found at:

DB2000: http://www.harpoonhq.com/?page_id=5

1950-1964 Colonial Wars DB: http://www.harpoonhq.com/?page_id=10

1965-1979 DB: http://www.harpoonhq.com/?page_id=11

World War II DB: http://www.harpoonhq.com/?page_id=7

Each page specifically identifies which scenarios are compatible with ANW and which are only functional in H3. Be careful not to play an H3 scenario in ANW otherwise you will get some very odd behaviours. (i.e. indestructible land bases)

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RE: Harpoon 3 scenarios for the PlayersDB - 8/8/2008 2:00:10 AM

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In addition, we have about 20 scens already written for those 'empty battlesets'. They just haven't been released, yet. If you are interested in helping us test them so that they can be released more quickly to the public, we'll make arrangements to get them to you or anyone else. All you gotta do is play the game/scenario. Design expertise is not required.

DB2000: http://www.harpoonhq.com/?page_id=5

1950-1964 Colonial Wars DB: http://www.harpoonhq.com/?page_id=10

1965-1979 DB: http://www.harpoonhq.com/?page_id=11

World War II DB: http://www.harpoonhq.com/?page_id=7

Each page specifically identifies which scenarios are compatible with ANW and which are only functional in H3. Be careful not to play an H3 scenario in ANW otherwise you will get some very odd behaviours. (i.e. indestructible land bases)

Do you have any small to medium sized scenarios? I might give a shot at testing. Some years ago I did quite a bit of testing for Talonsoft.

Thanks for those links to the other databases and scenarios. Sadly, a couple of those don't appear to have any active link to d/l an ANW version, but they do have a 3.6.3 version. And, for those that do, the vast majority of the scenarios appear to be for 3.6.3 only.

The WWII set seems interesting to me, but not a lot of scenarios to choose from.

Oh well, the databases and scenarios in the game, plus the PlayersDB, likely offer way more than I'll ever actually have time to play!

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Harpoon 3 scenarios for the PlayersDB - 8/8/2008 7:26:46 AM

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Do you have any small to medium sized scenarios? I might give a shot at testing. Some years ago I did quite a bit of testing for Talonsoft.

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Oh well, the databases and scenarios in the game, plus the PlayersDB, likely offer way more than I'll ever actually have time to play!

Be wary of the scenarios made for the ODb. When we re-made them for the PlayersDB, we found lots of problems in the originals. Things like empty ammo dumps, bad ViConds, etc. One scenario ViCond was to sink "Ship XXXX". Unfortunately, there wasn't any "Ship XXXX" anywhere in the scenario!

Ask and ye' shall receive. A new scenario has been posted up for testing. IMO, it's a medium-sized scenario. Let us know if it fulfills your interest and requirements.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=1885054

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