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Bottle Bombs - 8/25/2008 2:17:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		A new weapon to be added to AE:

From StrategyPage.com, CIC Issue #210 -

"Reportedly, on August 4, 1943, during a radar-guided predawn air raid against Japanese installations on Kiska, in the Aleutians, a Navy PBY not only dropped several bombs, but also 92 empty beer bottles, for the "disconcerting whistling effect" which they produced."
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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/25/2008 5:07:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Must have a pretty demoralising effect on Japanese troops, knowing that the other side has beer, as they almost starve to death.

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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/25/2008 5:31:06 PM   
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Must have a pretty demoralising effect on Japanese troops, knowing that the other side has beer, as they almost starve to death.


Can you really demoralize a Japanese when you let him know that you have BEER? You can surely demoralize a German that way but how much beer is consumed in Japan?

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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/25/2008 5:40:43 PM   
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A new weapon to be added to AE:

From StrategyPage.com, CIC Issue #210 -

"Reportedly, on August 4, 1943, during a radar-guided predawn air raid against Japanese installations on Kiska, in the Aleutians, a Navy PBY not only dropped several bombs, but also 92 empty beer bottles, for the "disconcerting whistling effect" which they produced."




Will they be in AE?


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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/25/2008 6:01:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		These could only work in 3 possible ways:

1)  Psychological effect....IE the scare factor.
2)  Direct hit with the bottle landing on someone's head.
3)  Shrapnel damage from broken glass.

Of these #1 would be the most effective as you have troops hearing the sounds of falling bombs with no explosions.  This leads them to believe there is unexploded ordinance lying about.

If modeled in AE, these would have to be weaposn with no more tha 1 point of soft target damage, and even that might be too great for the effectiveness in reality.

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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/25/2008 6:39:20 PM   
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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/25/2008 7:16:49 PM   
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You can surely demoralize a German that way but how much beer is consumed in Japan?


A lot. The Japanese love beer. Although not as big, per capita, than China, IIRC Japan rates pretty high. I think Kiran is the major brewery there.

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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/25/2008 7:27:44 PM   
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If modeled in AE, these would have to be weaposn with no more tha 1 point of soft target damage, and even that might be too great for the effectiveness in reality.


Actually -all bombs- have an "anti-soft" rating of 0. It's thier "effect rating" that is (supposed to be), the number of pounds of TNT (a 500# GP bomb has an effect rating of 500).

You'd have an effect rating of 0 (since no TNT, and would therefore do nothing in-game). I suppose you could have a "penetration rating". Penetration rating is (supposed to be) the number of mili-meters of steel/armor that can be pentrated.

I don't know how many mms of armor a glass bottle woud/could penetrate. But it would certainly have a bit of kinetic engergy if you dropped the thing from 12,000'. I would think even an empty glass bottle could punch thru 1mm of steel if you dropped it from 12k (obviously it would shatter as well).

(and yes, it would matter if the bottles were filled with beer etc).

Sorry. I'm waxing a bit nerdy.

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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/25/2008 8:57:26 PM   
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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/25/2008 9:21:45 PM   
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I've been bombed a few times while drinking German beer out of a bottle.




Not to mention Japanese beer....In fact I've been bombed mixing beers...however they are mostly of the English and Irish variety.

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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/25/2008 10:05:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		My father was in the USAAF in the Aleutian Islands during the war. He was an engine mechanic and he once told me his other duty was to go to the Navy base and bring back their weekly ration of beer. I forget the amount involved but it was substantial (1 case per man per week?). Perhaps one of the bottles was his donation to the war effort.

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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/25/2008 10:09:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is too bad that the only Japanese beer I have come across, in a small New York supermarket when I grew tried of Budwiser, came in cans. The effect of a empty can must be much less than that of a bottle. Since dropping full cans is certainly not an option, this leaves Japan without ordnance for a return strike




edit: the beer was called "SAPPORO", it is kind of hard to read on the photo

it may matter to your considerations that the strength of the can it self was far superior to that of a normal Budwiser can

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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/25/2008 10:29:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Go to most any WW2 site occupied by the Japanese...Kirin beer bottles (with the IJA star on the bottom) are usually the most prominent find at this late date.  Got a collection of them, in all different colors of glass.  As a comparison, I don't recall ever finding a WW2 US beer can/bottle...just lots and lots of Coke bottles.

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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/25/2008 11:27:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kirin...good.
Sapporo...good.
Asahi Super Dry...AWESOME. Highly recommend it. Goes great with Sushi. It comes in a bottle.

http://www.asahibeer.co.jp/english/

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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/25/2008 11:31:56 PM   
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Kirin...good.
Sapporo...good.
Asahi Super Dry...AWESOME. Highly recommend it. Goes great with Sushi. It comes in a bottle.

http://www.asahibeer.co.jp/english/



Damn...Stir Fry cafe here I come...you just made me hungry.

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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/25/2008 11:38:47 PM   
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Kirin...good.
Sapporo...good.
Asahi Super Dry...AWESOME. Highly recommend it. Goes great with Sushi. It comes in a bottle.

http://www.asahibeer.co.jp/english/



Damn...Stir Fry cafe here I come...you just made me hungry.
Ahhhh, Japanese Hibachi...I could go for that, filet mingon with brown ginger sauce...and one of those Onion Volcanoes...

Damn Italians don't go for anything that doesn't include Pasta, tomatoes, or olive oil...

I did get some sushi in Malta two weeks ago...1st time in over a year.

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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/26/2008 12:25:20 AM   
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Must have a pretty demoralising effect on Japanese troops, knowing that the other side has beer, as they almost starve to death.


Can you really demoralize a Japanese when you let him know that you have BEER? You can surely demoralize a German that way but how much beer is consumed in Japan?

Quite a bit actually. And it's not bad either. Kirin goes great with sushi or sashimi!

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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/26/2008 1:42:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well the Asahi Super Dry definitely hit the spot!!!

Now where are my playtest turns...

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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/26/2008 7:19:30 AM   
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You can surely demoralize a German that way but how much beer is consumed in Japan?


A lot. The Japanese love beer. Although not as big, per capita, than China, IIRC Japan rates pretty high. I think Kiran is the major brewery there.

Regards,
Feltan




And they were drinking beer in the times of WWII already?

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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/26/2008 9:52:11 AM   
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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/26/2008 3:01:22 PM   
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If modeled in AE, these would have to be weaposn with no more tha 1 point of soft target damage, and even that might be too great for the effectiveness in reality.


Actually -all bombs- have an "anti-soft" rating of 0. It's thier "effect rating" that is (supposed to be), the number of pounds of TNT (a 500# GP bomb has an effect rating of 500).

You'd have an effect rating of 0 (since no TNT, and would therefore do nothing in-game). I suppose you could have a "penetration rating". Penetration rating is (supposed to be) the number of mili-meters of steel/armor that can be pentrated.

I don't know how many mms of armor a glass bottle woud/could penetrate. But it would certainly have a bit of kinetic engergy if you dropped the thing from 12,000'. I would think even an empty glass bottle could punch thru 1mm of steel if you dropped it from 12k (obviously it would shatter as well).

(and yes, it would matter if the bottles were filled with beer etc).

Sorry. I'm waxing a bit nerdy.

-F-


Well, now I know how bombs are modeled. Honestly I was just throwing out a guess there on how they work.


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RE: Bottle Bombs - 8/26/2008 4:42:20 PM   
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I've been bombed a few times while drinking German beer out of a bottle.



He he... zee secret veapons of zee luftvaffe.

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