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RE: Little Ships - 6/24/2008 3:16:58 AM

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I'd like to find ship artwork for the following "little ships":

US Navy YO-46 class yard oiler (235 ft)
US Army FS small cargo ship (177 ft steel type, like the USS Reluctant from the movie Mr. Roberts)
Australian Requisitioned Patrol Craft Wilcannia (216.4 ft)
Australian Naval Oiler Kurumba (not so little)
New Zealand Requisitioned Minesweeper Matai (219 ft)
Philippine Government Cutter Arayat (formerly Spanish and US Gunboat)
US Navy PE "Eagle Boat"
US Patrol Yacht Southern Seas (228 ft)
US Patapso class AOG (310 ft)
US APc type Coastal Transport (103 ft)
US Navajo class Fleet Tug (205 ft)
A good example of a converted Fishing Boat type PYc or YP.

All for my personal use.� Thanks.

Have some, but not all. Woof !! You always ask for the hard ones.

Thanks. These only seem hard 'cause I have a friend that has already done most of the really hard ones!

Don's Babies, anyone??

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RE: Little Ships - 6/24/2008 4:10:18 AM

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Thanks. These only seem hard 'cause I have a friend that has already done most of the really hard ones!

Don's Babies, anyone??

You really are a silver tongued devil.

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RE: Little Ships - 6/24/2008 4:47:37 AM

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You really are a silver tongued devil.

Not so sure about the precious metal part, but I am certainly a tongued devil.

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RE: Little Ships - 6/24/2008 8:21:37 AM

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Has anyone done the Northrop N-3PB yet?

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RE: Little Ships - 6/24/2008 8:23:34 PM

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Don't think so...

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RE: Little Ships - 8/4/2008 1:59:37 PM

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Has any one done art for a Blackburn Skua/Roc? or Handly page Hamden! crazy requests I know LOL

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RE: Little Ships - 8/9/2008 1:48:06 PM

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Looking for artwork for the RAFA (Royal Air Force Auxiliary) Tung Song. This was a 178-foot steamer requisitioned from the Singapore Straits Shipping Company and was functioning as a tender to the Catalinas of No. 205 Squadron at Singapore. As far as I can tell, she was the only British Seaplane Tender in the Pacific at the start of the war.

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RE: Little Ships - 8/12/2008 6:00:36 PM

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Certainly the best I can do.

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RE: Little Ships - 8/12/2008 10:19:51 PM

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Hummm...

Can anybody help me ?

I need following ships:
Scharnost class, Hipper class, Koln class ( all as japanese ) and, Koln class as allied ( no flag ) and a koln class ( again ) but with 2 extra turrets on the front ( like a Mogami class ) .

Thank you very much in advance...

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RE: Little Ships - 8/12/2008 11:12:04 PM

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Looking for artwork for the RAFA (Royal Air Force Auxiliary) Tung Song. This was a 178-foot steamer requisitioned from the Singapore Straits Shipping Company and was functioning as a tender to the Catalinas of No. 205 Squadron at Singapore. As far as I can tell, she was the only British Seaplane Tender in the Pacific at the start of the war.

Certainly one of the ugliest boats you could have found.

Tung Song, renamed RAF Ann, Straits Steamship Coy., originally Kheng Seng Steamship Coy., near sisters Raub and Gemas. Your picture has the stern cut off, so ... She was 183 some odd feet, with a counter transom. Graphic coming to a Don Bowen email, near you.

Ciao. John

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RE: Little Ships - 8/13/2008 12:30:40 AM

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... Graphic coming to a Don Bowen email, near you.

Ciao. John

Wonderful! Don't tell anyone but the one I "created' was cut down from the Janssens bitmap that was done by a talented individual to be named later.

(edit) Couple of interesting links:

http://users.cyberone.com.au/clardo/the_far_east.html

http://www.merchantnavyofficers.com/straits.html

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RE: Little Ships - 8/14/2008 5:01:24 PM

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I'd like to find ship artwork for the following "little ships":

US Navy YO-46 class yard oiler (235 ft)
US Army FS small cargo ship (177 ft steel type, like the USS Reluctant from the movie Mr. Roberts)
Australian Requisitioned Patrol Craft Wilcannia (216.4 ft)
Australian Naval Oiler Kurumba (not so little)
New Zealand Requisitioned Minesweeper Matai (219 ft)
Philippine Government Cutter Arayat (formerly Spanish and US Gunboat)
US Navy PE "Eagle Boat"
US Patrol Yacht Southern Seas (228 ft)
US Patapso class AOG (310 ft)
US APc type Coastal Transport (103 ft)
US Navajo class Fleet Tug (205 ft)
A good example of a converted Fishing Boat type PYc or YP.

All for my personal use.� Thanks.

Sorry it took so long. Coming to an email near you soon.

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RE: Little Ships - 8/14/2008 7:15:27 PM

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Last but not least.

Anybody have pics of HMNZS Matai (aux minesweeper) or Philippine Cutter Arayat, I'd sure appreciate seeing them.

Ciao.

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RE: Little Ships - 8/14/2008 7:52:37 PM

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Thank you John. I'm happier than my ex-wife in feces.

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RE: Little Ships - 8/14/2008 9:47:08 PM

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Thank you John. I'm happier than my ex-wife in feces.

LoL.

M�kay, we have a few Arayats;
Arayat, Spanish Bulusan (Belusan) Class gunboat, 201 tons, 113� 10�, built Cavite in 1888 for Spain.
USS Samar (US Arayat Class), 243 tons, 121�, built Canacao in 1887 for Spain. Believed to be ex Spanish Mindanao Class.

Japanese took over some, PG-37, 39, and 41 (ex Callao, Pampanga, and Samar)

Several references to an Arayat (IX-134), sometimes as a 900 ton tanker (IX-134) built in 1888 (wrong!), sometimes as a 900 ton tanker (IX-134) built by Fairfield, Glasgow, in 1918 (better), sometimes as a 903 ton Philippine Revenue Cutter, built 1931, sunk Dec. 27, 1941 (1/3 right).

Lots of confusion. I�m looking for the shallow draft, Bulusan (Belusan) Class, Spanish gunboat. I could use an Almendares Class, if available. Also thought she might be close to the Mindanao Class (USS Panay as example).

Anyone have ideas??

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RE: Little Ships - 8/15/2008 4:41:21 AM

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Thank you John. I'm happier than my ex-wife in feces.

LoL.

M�kay, we have a few Arayats;
Arayat, Spanish Bulusan (Belusan) Class gunboat, 201 tons, 113� 10�, built Cavite in 1888 for Spain.
USS Samar (US Arayat Class), 243 tons, 121�, built Canacao in 1887 for Spain. Believed to be ex Spanish Mindanao Class.

Japanese took over some, PG-37, 39, and 41 (ex Callao, Pampanga, and Samar)

Several references to an Arayat (IX-134), sometimes as a 900 ton tanker (IX-134) built in 1888 (wrong!), sometimes as a 900 ton tanker (IX-134) built by Fairfield, Glasgow, in 1918 (better), sometimes as a 903 ton Philippine Revenue Cutter, built 1931, sunk Dec. 27, 1941 (1/3 right).

Lots of confusion. I�m looking for the shallow draft, Bulusan (Belusan) Class, Spanish gunboat. I could use an Almendares Class, if available. Also thought she might be close to the Mindanao Class (USS Panay as example).

Anyone have ideas??

I believe Callao class is the correct answer. The unit in the Philippine Off Shore Patrol was an ex-Spanish Gunboat taken over by the USN after 1898 and sold out commercially around 1910. Then purchased by the OSP as a patrol craft and sunk in Manila bay sometime in December, 1941, and subsequently salved and (probably) became the Japanese PB-105.

The reference to a 903 ton Revenue Cutter is very interesting. Don't send me the reference, or I will probably ask for that one too. I know there was a revenue cutter named Apo in the Visayas, relatively fast but a coal burner (referenced in Destination Corregidor). Also the Presidential Yacht Casiana, which was (theoretically) available as a revenue cutter during wartime.

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RE: Little Ships - 8/15/2008 4:57:39 PM

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I believe Callao class is the correct answer. The unit in the Philippine Off Shore Patrol was an ex-Spanish Gunboat taken over by the USN after 1898 and sold out commercially around 1910. Then purchased by the OSP as a patrol craft and sunk in Manila bay sometime in December, 1941, and subsequently salved and (probably) became the Japanese PB-105.

The reference to a 903 ton Revenue Cutter is very interesting. Don't send me the reference, or I will probably ask for that one too. I know there was a revenue cutter named Apo in the Visayas, relatively fast but a coal burner (referenced in Destination Corregidor). Also the Presidential Yacht Casiana, which was (theoretically) available as a revenue cutter during wartime.

Found lots of pics, but they are all over the place, from different classes. Can�t figure out who belongs to what, though. Maybe Jane�s or Conway�s ? USS Samar had an 18� beam and a 7� draft, suggests a hull more like a scow than one of those quasi-schooner thingies;

You got the reference anyway, here�s the listing for Arayat as a 903 ton revenue cutter, from the book of ship disasters. http://www.photoship.co.uk/Disaster%20Chest/041.pdf No listing in Lloyds back to 1930.

For what it�s worth, on Charter Day for Bacolod City Oct, 19, 1939, the dignitaries were waiting to greet Pres. Quezon, on �Cutter Arayat�, but he arrived on the presidential yacht �Casiana�. http://www.bacolodcity.gov.ph/citycharter.htm Who knows what that might imply.

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RE: Little Ships - 8/15/2008 11:02:12 PM

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Here ya go Don. Arayat, Samar, Pampanga, Paragua; 2d and 3d from the left in the foreground row, and 2d and 3d in the middle row.

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RE: Little Ships - 8/15/2008 11:36:41 PM

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Found lots of pics, but they are all over the place, from different classes. Can�t figure out who belongs to what, though. Maybe Jane�s or Conway�s ? USS Samar had an 18� beam and a 7� draft, suggests a hull more like a scow than one of those quasi-schooner thingies;

You got the reference anyway, here�s the listing for Arayat as a 903 ton revenue cutter, from the book of ship disasters. http://www.photoship.co.uk/Disaster%20Chest/041.pdf No listing in Lloyds back to 1930.

For what it�s worth, on Charter Day for Bacolod City Oct, 19, 1939, the dignitaries were waiting to greet Pres. Quezon, on �Cutter Arayat�, but he arrived on the presidential yacht �Casiana�. http://www.bacolodcity.gov.ph/citycharter.htm Who knows what that might imply.

This gets curiouser and curiouser. The USS Arayat, ex Spanish Gunboat, was a Samar class gunboat (original Spanish class). 34.59m x 5.31m x 2.03m, 201 tons, 10 knots: http://www.spanamwar.com/span2ndclassgunboats.htm and http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/a10/arayat-i.htm.

Several sources, including Over Seas and Fleets of World War II give Arayat as a ship of 904 to 1200 tons. Doesn't look like the same ship.

I had once found a refererence to Japanese PB-105 being both the ex-Philippine Arayat and the ex-Spanish Arayat. I go look more. For reasons that will require an autopsy to determine, I am just fascinated by this stuff.

(I had previously found a site that equated the old Spanish Arayat to the Philippine Arayat to the Japanese PB-105. I think it might be combinedFleet.com but that site has been down all day)

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RE: Little Ships - 8/16/2008 4:55:31 PM

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Dogonne it! Been chasing down that darn Spanish gunboat, but it turns out there were three Arayats.

#1) The storage tanker USS Arayat (IX-134) built Glasgow, 1918, taken and commissioned 1944, 430�, 12,000 tons (Dspl fl). Definitely not this one.

#2) Spanish gunboat Arayat, built Manila Ship Co, Cavite, 1888, 117�, 202 tons which became US gunboat Arayat (1), 121�, 243 tons; decom and sold at Cavite 1910.

#3) Philippine revenue cutter Arayat, built F. Schichau Werft, Danzig, launched May 1931, 190�, 903 register tons. This one is your Huckelberry.

Web sources get cornfuzed. Some list the Arayat as IX-134, built 1888, 903 tons; some give Japanese P-105 as ex-Spanish Arayat; etc.

Think combinedfleet has a good read on who was what. They show Japanese P-105 as ex-Philippine customs cutter Arayat #3.

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RE: Little Ships - 8/16/2008 5:48:08 PM

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Dogonne it! Been chasing down that darn Spanish gunboat, but it turns out there were three Arayats.

#1) The storage tanker USS Arayat (IX-134) built Glasgow, 1918, taken and commissioned 1944, 430�, 12,000 tons (Dspl fl). Definitely not this one.

#2) Spanish gunboat Arayat, built Manila Ship Co, Cavite, 1888, 117�, 202 tons which became US gunboat Arayat (1), 121�, 243 tons; decom and sold at Cavite 1910.

#3) Philippine revenue cutter Arayat, built F. Schichau Werft, Danzig, launched May 1931, 190�, 903 register tons. This one is your Huckelberry.

Web sources get cornfuzed. Some list the Arayat as IX-134, built 1888, 903 tons; some give Japanese P-105 as ex-Spanish Arayat; etc.

Think combinedfleet has a good read on who was what. They show Japanese P-105 as ex-Philippine customs cutter Arayat #3.

Sure looks like it. I can not now find the web source that linked the Spanish Gunboat thru the Philippines to PB-105, but a more modern vessel makes a lot more sense. Excellent John!

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RE: Little Ships - 8/16/2008 7:02:00 PM

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Sure looks like it. I can not now find the web source that linked the Spanish Gunboat thru the Philippines to PB-105, but a more modern vessel makes a lot more sense.

Yeah, sure does. But now the problem is ... what the heck does a 1931 revenue cutter, built at Danzig for the Philippine Govt look like?

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RE: Little Ships - 8/16/2008 7:04:27 PM

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Sure looks like it. I can not now find the web source that linked the Spanish Gunboat thru the Philippines to PB-105, but a more modern vessel makes a lot more sense.

Yeah, sure does. But now the problem is ... what the heck does a 1931 revenue cutter, built at Danzig for the Philippine Govt look like?

Beats me. I Googled "revenue cutter arayat" and half the hits were for this forum!

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RE: Little Ships - 8/16/2008 9:15:44 PM

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Beats me. I Googled "revenue cutter arayat" and half the hits were for this forum!

Guess we hit the big time, hey?

Think maybe Arayat should go that that special place in Neptune's bosom reserved for those hulls unsung and unnoticed. Rest in peace, in the quiet of the deep.

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RE: Little Ships - 8/17/2008 4:49:56 PM

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Beats me. I Googled "revenue cutter arayat" and half the hits were for this forum!

Guess we hit the big time, hey?

Think maybe Arayat should go that that special place in Neptune's bosom reserved for those hulls unsung and unnoticed. Rest in peace, in the quiet of the deep.

Don't spend too many tears for poor old Arayat - there's always the Don's Babies mod.

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RE: Little Ships - 8/19/2008 11:20:41 PM

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Somehow I missed these. Great work as usual JWE!!

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RE: Little Ships - 8/22/2008 11:07:07 AM

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About the Arayat, the ship which fought at 1898 was the gunship Arayat, ordered by "Orden de 1886". 208 Tn, Guns: One Hontoria of 9 cm at prow (sometimes of 7 cm), one of 7cm on rear and two MGs of 11 mg. 11 knots, steel hull.

Hope it helps

Besides, there was another Arayat at 1860.

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RE: Little Ships - 8/23/2008 5:15:03 AM

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Here is a pic of the HMNZS Matai if you are still looking for one.

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RE: Little Ships - 8/25/2008 5:31:38 PM

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Here is a pic of the HMNZS Matai if you are still looking for one.

Very helpful. Thank you very much.

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RE: artwork request... - 9/3/2008 9:00:10 PM

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Could any one suppy art for a British M1 Class Sub, and maybe M2 type with hanger?
sounds silly but im interested how usefull sutch a sub would be..
would be interesting.

also after art for Hamden & Skua does any exist?
Cheers for any help..

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