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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/21/2008 4:13:41 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/21/2008 4:56:59 PM   
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BASIC INFO CONCERNING YRAF

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/21/2008 7:45:25 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/21/2008 8:26:31 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/22/2008 12:21:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cuttlefish

U.S. weather report from Ulithi:

Wind speed now 27 knots from the SE, bp 998 and falling. Precipitation moderate to heavy. All ships and planes are advised that tropical storm conditions are expected to persist for the next 24 to 48 hours as the system moves to the northwest…



Did the US Navy use millibars for bp? I would have guessed they stilled used inches of Hg. Not trying to nitpick, just wondering.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/22/2008 1:03:01 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/22/2008 3:54:27 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/22/2008 11:13:07 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/22/2008 1:02:17 PM   
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They use hg/in and the standard setting is 29.92.
  And I'll bet you thought you'd never need that bit of information again!

I got all giddy the other day, when I got to use (pi * D) to with figure out the location of 3 fins for my son's model rocket. 

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/22/2008 7:50:03 PM   
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Location: 80 miles north of Palau
Course: East
Attached to: TF 23
Mission: Air combat
System Damage: 1
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 251

Orders: Strike Allied shipping at and around Ulithi

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Hibiki staggers into a trough and buries her bow in the next wave with an explosive “whoomp”. Water cascades over the rail and along the deck as plumes of spray are whipped away by the stiff wind. The carriers and big cruisers of the task force are managing the seas fairly well but the task force’s eight destroyers are beginning to struggle.

Conditions have worsened through the night as they sprinted to a position north of Palau to launch an attack. Launching scout planes and the morning CAP was a bit of an adventure and Hibiki’s crew forgot their own discomfort as they willed each plane into a safe take off. Somehow there were no mishaps and all planes were launched safely.

On Hibiki’s bridge Captain Ishii braces himself with unconscious ease against the movements of the ship, every now and then issuing an order to the helm. Around him officers and crew go about their tasks quietly and efficiently. At intervals one of the doors and a crewman enters along with a gust of wind and spray.

“Captain, sir,” squawks a voice from a speaking tube. It is the radio operator.

“Go ahead,” says Ishii.

“Sir, we have a sighting report from one of Zuikaku’s planes,” says the voice. “He is reporting 30 to 40 merchant vessels and escorts in the lagoon at Ulithi. Visibility is poor and there is no fighter cover.”

“Thank you,” says Ishii. “Let me know if there is anything further.”

“Perfect targets!” says Lieutenant Sugiyura. “They are penned in there by the storm. We could…”

“Sir!” says a lookout. “Taiho is signaling. Incoming air attack!”

“Combat stations!” snaps Ishii. “Move us out to 700 meters from Taiho.” Japanese doctrine calls for spreading out a fleet in the face of air attack. If anyone has noticed that the enemy does exactly the opposite and that their anti-aircraft defense is much better the idea has not penetrated Imperial Navy bureaucracy far enough to prompt a change yet.

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The air strike headed for the Japanese carriers consists of some forty B-24 bombers from Guam. The weather there is considerable better than it is further west. As the bombers approach the reported Japanese position, however, the weather deteriorates. The first sign the bombers have that the Japanese are around is when a dozen fighters slice into their formation.

The big bombers are far from helpless prey and fight back hard. Soon planes on both sides are trailing smoke as they play a deadly game of tag among the clouds. More Japanese fighters arrive to stiffen the defense, however. The commander of the strike weighs the odds of finding and hitting anything in these conditions and finds them poor. The bombers are ordered to turn around and head for home.

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Aboard Hibiki they do not catch so much as a glimpse of an enemy plane. Afterwards they wait for the order to launch their own strike. And they wait. After a time it becomes obvious that no such order will be forthcoming.

“The weather is too poor,” murmurs Ensign Izu. Lieutenant Sugiyura says nothing, though his features betray his disappointment.

“The risk to the air crews is too high,” agrees Ishii, though he too is disappointed. The enemy ships are sitting ducks. Japan is not presented with many chances like this in these later days of the war. In his view it would be worth the risk to attempt a strike. But his view is not the one that counts.

Another wave geysers against the bows as Hibiki struggles on through the storm.


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/22/2008 7:57:55 PM   
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Another wave geysers against the bows as Hibiki struggles on through the storm.


Nice metaphor whether intentional or not.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/22/2008 10:58:51 PM   
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So now both sides are aware of one another's presence and it's only the wx keeping them apart.  Hmmmmmm.....I vote for the IJN to pull back instead of racing in as Adm Timid is commander of the TF and his orders made him rather unhappy.


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/23/2008 8:09:06 PM   
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Life on a tin can in a storm is an adventure, a big storm scary stuff. 

So now both sides are aware of one another's presence and it's only the wx keeping them apart.  Hmmmmmm.....I vote for the IJN to pull back instead of racing in as Adm Timid is commander of the TF and his orders made him rather unhappy.


I think most of Hibiki's crew would agree with you that this is no time for Ozawa to be heroic. But the admiral has more information than we do, as we are about to see.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/23/2008 8:12:33 PM   
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Location: 60 miles west of Palau
Course: Southwest
Attached to: TF 23
Mission: Air combat
System Damage: 1
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 252

Orders: Strike Allied shipping at and around Ulithi

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Excerpt from “Japanese Destroyer Attack!” by Shiro Kuramata, Ballentine Mori Press, 1963. Translated by Captain Ben Packard, USN (ret.). Original Japanese title: “Small Ship, Big War.”

We shifted position overnight to try to keep the enemy guessing but stayed within striking distance of Ulithi. Though Ozawa by this time had gained a reputation for timidity among we sailors this decision struck many of us as bold to the point of recklessness. By next morning the weather was somewhat better and we expected at any moment to see hundreds of Allied carrier planes filling the skies overhead.

What we did not know at the time, and would not learn until long afterwards, is that alone of anyone in the task force Admiral Ozawa knew exactly where the enemy carriers were. That tale of course is well known, how our force was really just intended as a distraction while a second force, the Eastern Strike Force, snuck down east of the Marianas and destroyed the big fuel convoy en route to Guam.

Ozawa had already received word of the disaster that followed; how our carriers had intercepted the fuel convoy perfectly and how the first planes of our strike were actually rolling down the flight decks when waves of Allied carrier planes appeared on the horizon. How the enemy carriers had no idea our carriers were there and were simply following orders to return to Pearl Harbor for repairs and more aircraft when by chance they found themselves less than 100 miles from our force as the sun rose. How five of our escort carriers and a number of destroyers went to the bottom in less than an hour.

I personally did not learn of this until after the war. Captain Ishii might have learned something later, for I heard him make a reference once to our lack of escort carriers. But at the time, as I said, we all thought that the enemy carriers were probably heading in our direction.

Anyway, Ozawa knew that it was up to him if Japan was going to salvage anything from the operation. I can only imagine his thoughts when our scout planes reported that the lagoon at Ulithi was empty. Every single ship there had braved the rough seas and fled during the night, leaving us ready to strike but with no targets. The enemy land-based air attacks that followed were easily fended off and we were able to retire unhurt. We all grumbled at the failed mission but none of us guessed how lucky we really were. We might have been assigned to the Eastern Strike Force instead of the Western Strike Force, and if that had happened this tale would have likely come to a sudden end.


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/23/2008 8:12:53 PM   
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But the admiral has more information than we do, as we are about to see.


And some of the information he is clearly not happy about.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/23/2008 8:18:17 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/24/2008 9:21:29 PM   
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Location: 60 miles northeast of Morotai
Course: Holding position
Attached to: TF 23
Mission: Air combat
System Damage: 1
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 225

Orders: Strike Allied shipping at and around Ulithi

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The Japanese task forces pull back to a position not far off the coast of Sulawesi. This far enough away, they hope, to prevent detection. Equally important, planes based at Morotai and Davao have noticed no enemy submarine activity in the area in recent weeks.

The weather moderates as the storm moves off north up the eastern coast of Luzon. Hibiki’s crew is grateful for this but puzzled about why they are remaining in southern waters. Their chief speculation is that Ozawa is hoping to deceive the Allies into thinking he has left the area so that he can lure targets back to Ulithi. For once speculation is correct; Ozawa has not yet received firm orders to return to Japan and is hoping that the enemy’s need to get the facilities at Ulithi up and running will override their caution.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/24/2008 9:24:45 PM   
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Location: 60 miles northeast of Morotai
Course: Holding position
Attached to: TF 23
Mission: Air combat
System Damage: 1
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 457

Orders: Strike Allied shipping at and around Ulithi

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Seaman Shoji perches precariously on a pair of footholds above the upper platform on the main mast and reaches up to hand Yoshitake a wrench. Yoshitake reaches down and takes it and hands back a pair of wire cutters. Up here even the current modest roll of the ship is very pronounced. Yoshitake grins down at Shoji.

“You are wearing your good luck charm, yes?” he asks. Shoji nods vigorously.

‘You had better believe it!” he says. He tucks the tin snips into his tool belt and reaches up to touch the cord around his neck to reassure himself it is still there.

“Good,” says Yoshitake, and turns back to his work. “This would be a bad time to leave it behind.” The two men are repairing and tightening stays loosened by the storm. Though low clouds loom above them the rain has stopped and a rising glass promises that the weather will continue to improve.

As Yoshitake works Shoji looks down. At first he is looking straight down at the port side of the destroyer, then he is looking down at the starboard side. He wishes Yoshitake would hurry.

“It could be worse,” says Yoshitake as if divining his thoughts.

“True,” Shoji says, shifting his weight as the ship rolls back, “we could have had to do this during the storm.”

“Or we could be under attack,” says Yoshitake. “Wouldn’t that be fun?”

Shoji starts to make a reply and then stops. Over the sound of the wind, the sea, and Hibiki’s engines he thinks he hears something. He cocks his head to one side. Yes, he does hear something. It is the droning of airplane engines and it is getting louder. Above him Yoshitake stops working and looks around.

“Do you…” he calls down, then stops. An airplane suddenly drops out of the clouds a few hundred feet ahead of the ship. Shoji goggles at the oncoming apparition but even in his amazement has no trouble identifying it as an American PBY. The plane roars past barely 100 feet over the top of the mast, close enough that Shoji can see an American staring at him from one of waist blisters. The man looks as startled as Shoji.

Astern of the ship the plane suddenly banks right, towards Taiho. As it crosses the carrier’s stern it releases a bomb which overshoots the carrier and detonates harmlessly in the sea beyond. A few antiaircraft guns in the task force belatedly open fire as the PBY pulls up and disappears once more into the clouds.

Yoshitake and Shoji look at each other for a moment. “Hand me a turnbuckle, will you?’ Yoshitake says after a moment. “Thanks.” He goes back to work. Shoji scans the clouds anxiously for more enemy planes, but none appear.


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/24/2008 10:26:13 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/25/2008 9:41:42 PM   
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Location: 120 miles southeast of Butuan
Course: North
Attached to: TF 23
Mission: Air combat
System Damage: 2
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 412

Orders: Strike Allied shipping at and around Ulithi

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“Our course is now north,” Captain Ishii tells his executive officer.

“Does that mean we’re heading home, sir?” Lieutenant Miharu asks.

“It means we’re heading north,” Ishii says dryly.

“I see,” says Lieutenant Miharu. He thinks for a moment. “If we are confused, sir, I wonder what the enemy thinks?”

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“Any sign of those Jap carriers?” Admiral Wilkinson asks.

“No sir, they’ve disappeared again.”

“What are those bastards up to?” says the admiral. “They’re to the northwest, then they’re gone. They’re to the west, then they’re gone. But they never do anything. It’s like they’re jumping around out there trying to get our attention.”

“It could be a diversion, sir,” suggests one officer.

“Or maybe they’re trying to lure us into a trap,” says another.

“Who knows?” says the admiral. “They’re giving me a headache. I wish I had something to send after them.”

“How about some subs, sir?” someone suggests. “Don’t we have a lot of boats up in the Luzon Strait? Some of those could be sent south.”

“Good idea!” says Wilkinson. “Contact ComSubPac. Maybe Admiral Lockwood can give the Jap carriers something to do besides bothering me.”

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/26/2008 1:38:30 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/26/2008 4:28:57 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/26/2008 4:56:14 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/26/2008 6:42:06 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/29/2008 11:08:49 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/29/2008 5:48:20 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/29/2008 7:57:25 PM   
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It's been four days since an update.  What's happening on the Hibiki?


I am sorry, I really intended to get something posted over the weekend but ran short of time. Wolffpack and I did get in a few turns, though. I need to write faster, the game is still half a year ahead of the AAR.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/29/2008 7:58:28 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/29/2008 8:00:07 PM   
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Location: 100 miles east of Catbalogan
Course: North
Attached to: TF 23
Mission: Air combat
System Damage: 2
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 374

Orders: Strike Allied shipping at and around Ulithi

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A Suisei dive bomber, returning from patrol, overtakes Hibiki and buzzes playfully past the destroyer almost level with the bridge. From the forward gun tub Shiro can see the rear gunner waving at them. He waves back.

“Ah, the freedom of the skies,” says Taiki, who is standing beside him. “I wanted to be a pilot when I was growing up. But I followed my brother into the navy instead.”

“Any regrets, Petty Officer?” Shiro asks.

Taiki raises his binoculars once again and resumes scanning the skies. “No,” he says. “It was never a realistic idea anyway. Remember, it was almost impossible to qualify for pilot training back before the war. That a plasterer’s son might do it was just a daydream.” Far ahead a pair of patrolling fighters slant down out of one of the scattered islands of cloud that are all that remain of the recent storm.

“I think you would find it easier now,” says Shiro. “Ariga says that a pilot back in Kagoshima told him that it’s much easier to become a pilot these days. You need two arms and two legs, I think he said.”

Taiki shakes his head. “Then you no longer have the samurai of the skies I idolized as a boy,” he says. “You have a peasant rabble with spears of the skies.”

“That is quite an image,” says Shiro. “But we know from stories what happens when such a rabble meets an enemy samurai.”

“Yes,” says Taiki. “They get mowed down like wheat.”


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 9/29/2008 8:15:54 PM   
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“I think you would find it easier now,” says Shiro. “Ariga says that a pilot back in Kagoshima told him that it’s much easier to become a pilot these days. You need two arms and two legs, I think he said.”

Taiki shakes his head. “Then you no longer have the samurai of the skies I idolized as a boy,” he says. “You have a peasant rabble with spears of the skies.”

“That is quite an image,” says Shiro. “But we know from stories what happens when such a rabble meets an enemy samurai.”

“Yes,” says Taiki. “They get mowed down like wheat.”


That is, of course, pretty much what happened to the Japanese pilot corps. Nice job working that in to the shipboard conversation.

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