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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/14/2008 4:08:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, that´s true George. Ingame we did not have all the informations we provide the readers now.
We had to make decisions on a complete different base. I was always worried about something that wasn´t there,
but COULD be there. Like you .
A little mistake and the game can be over.

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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/14/2008 7:09:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, have no fear, I have a healthy respect for you both.

Seille did me the favour of trashing me (Yes trashing, loosing with both sides in Russia 41 in, yes 41..), so I guess he knows how to play. And the fact that George held out that long (or won, who knows.) is testimony to him. So: ;)

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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/14/2008 7:29:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I had the exact same experience vs Seille in our first two mirrored games. Both lasted 18 turns before I surrendered. This game is the result of those hard-learned lessons.

In general it's part learning how AT works on the inside, so you can maximize the effect of your moves and minimize those of your opponent, the other aspect is learning how the scenario is set up, so you know which objectives are vital and which aren't. (A bit vague, but I think you know what I mean here).

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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/14/2008 7:38:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Indeed. I especially underestimated the strength of artillery in softening up targets. So I built a steady stream of 3-4 artillery pieces in my last game with good effect thanks to this game.

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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/15/2008 11:53:03 PM   
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Christmas is almost here, and Santa brought me some presents: The Russians move back or remain stationary on all fronts except for Maikop and Stalingrad. Now that's what I call a Merry Christmas!

By now, morale in the army is high and confidence restored. It is under these conditions that the Wehrmacht launches its first winter offensive: Operation Winter Storm.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/15/2008 11:55:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the North, all is quiet. I wasn't sure why. Perhaps Seille was moving forces South for an attack towards Kiev/Kharkov? Of transferring them to the Stalingrad front? I could not be sure, but could only be happy with the respite given to me.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/15/2008 11:58:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another snapshot of AG South's left flank, extending some 700 km's from Gomel all the way to the Don Bend. If only he had known...




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/16/2008 12:06:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		The South has all the action as AG South pierces the Stalingrad defenses, breaking them up into incoherent pieces. As the spearheads reach the Don river, they find to their amazement that all bridges are still up. Unfortunately the foul weather prevents them from establishing any bridgeheads.

The Romanians are now involved in a life-or-death struggle with the Maikop Front. Despite killing more enemies than taking casualties, the Russians are sending reinforcements into the battle at a much higher rate than the Germans and the Maikop Front is still growing as a result.

In a change of tactics, the Romanians get a huge shipment of artillery this turn and the next in a bid to break the deadlock. A new airbase will allow air support to be applied as well. They MUST break!




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/16/2008 5:00:45 PM   
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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/16/2008 5:02:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		got the R&D card.

my PP´s are now at 108.
Decided not to use thm now for upgrades.
Need a lot for creating new units actually....




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/16/2008 5:04:58 PM   
seille

 

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Quiet again. I just prepare my powerful offensive.
Want to have a complete success and since the defense is very strong
and the terrain bad for attacks i decided to prepare VERY good.





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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/16/2008 5:08:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		A really strange situation.
Germany has full focus at the south while i prepare to attack in the north.
BUT, that doesn´t mean i don´t fight for the south. Most of my fresh troops go to Maikop and
Stalingrad. Problem is they die too fast against the german units.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/19/2008 7:22:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Germany, Turn 29, January 4, 1943

The new year has arrived and looking at the current situation, the campaign has failed to achieve its goals at the indicated time. Nonetheless, the goals seem within reach, so despite misgivings about the strategic situation, OKW orders the continuation of the offensives towards Stalingrad and the Caucasus. There is really no other option than to continue...




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/19/2008 7:28:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		This turn's events show 2 expected and one unexpected, however very welcome.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/19/2008 7:56:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		The following shot shows the "passive" areas of the front (at least from my point of view). Not much going on except for the arrival of the SS Panzer Corps. The stupid thing: I don't know where to employ it.

Sending it to the "hotspots" on the map such as Stalingrad or Maikop means gambling a little longer on Seille's passiveness and might mean I get cut off completely if things go wrong.

So I opt for the "conservative" solution and keep the SS in the area between Kiev and Kharkov to either throw it against any offensive Seille might launch towards Kharkov or else exert some pressure on the Russians around Gomel, the closest targets.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/19/2008 8:24:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		The battle for Stalingrad has now reached the outskirts of the city proper and it seems as though nothing can save the city from falling. Resistance is crumbling all along the Don river and there seems to be no coherent defense. Despite the temptation, AG South decides against a surprise attack on the city, instead focusing to destroy the troops defending it.

Near Maikop, the balance of power is shifting as more and more artillery and reinforcements arrive and the Luftwaffe can deploy its complete strength against the Russian defenders. In what turns out to be one of the bloodiest days for the Red Army since the summer of 1941, their front before Maikop is bent to the breaking point. Although the Russian commander does not realize it yet, his forces here are defeated.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/20/2008 5:49:33 PM   
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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/20/2008 5:51:00 PM   
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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/20/2008 5:52:48 PM   
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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/20/2008 11:30:34 PM   
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After 17 months of war, still no decision. Little did we know the war was going to last another 17 months. The big unpleasant surprise this turn was the start of the Leningrad Operation by the Russians. I had feared it, but not expected it. Since this time the Russians had brought ample artillery and were supported by its huge air force, there was not much I could do except retreat and wait for a chance to strike at the main prize: if I could take out the Russian artillery while keeping my own safe, I could perhaps fight this offensive to a standstill sometime in the future.

With Stalingrad and Maikop within reach, the loss of Leningrad would not be such a big deal, especially not if I could take Baku as well. But I would have to move quickly, since the '43 Production was now on-line and the Russian industrial capacity now far outclassed my own.

This turn I decided to spend some production on additional PP's so I could give my existing troops a qualitative edge in the future battles, I expected they would need it.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/20/2008 11:32:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Near Leningrad the Russians made their move and scared my forces away. I tried my artillery tactic on the Russian artillery, but they were covered by so many infantry, my gunners were unable to do any significant damage.

The Russian are now also moving towards Kharkov, threatening to cut the artery of AG South. Luckily the winter weather is slowing them down.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/20/2008 11:34:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the South, Stalingrad falls and German troops throw themselves across the Volga. Maikop is not yet taken but its defenders are nearly bled dry...




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/22/2008 2:57:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 30....New turn new pain.....

Did i tell you guy´s that i hate the german artillery?
At this point of the game i was really pessimistic and continued just to see
how my Leningrad offensive would roll and if the additional production could turn
the situation.

The production.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/22/2008 3:01:01 PM   
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At this time the front i looked at first after opening the new turn.....




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/22/2008 3:03:15 PM   
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The damn Wehrmacht can do what they want here.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/22/2008 3:07:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		The strategic screen shows the actual (strange) frontline and it shows some obvious chances
i didn´t use. Looking at from this perspective shows i made a mistake to put so much effort
in Stalingrad and Maikop defense. A offensive out of Kursl and Voronezh against Kharkov
and more south would have had good chances.




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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/22/2008 3:10:29 PM   
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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/22/2008 3:15:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Eric.
AT is fantastic and the game we played was fantastic.
I had masses of good russia 1941 games, but this was definitely a highlight, the hardest fight i
ever had here.

Worth to make this AAR and share it with you.

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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/22/2008 3:21:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Two artillery pieces in Sevastopol? Being smart in retrospect is easy, but coupled with a bit of mobilization on the Crimea and pushing south from Kharkov this war might have ended quicker.

May I ask why you decided to stay put and cautious? The SS reinforcements perhaps?

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RE: George vs. Seille - A Russia 1941 AAR over 60 turns - 10/22/2008 5:38:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheArchduke

Two artillery pieces in Sevastopol? Being smart in retrospect is easy, but coupled with a bit of mobilization on the Crimea and pushing south from Kharkov this war might have ended quicker.

May I ask why you decided to stay put and cautious? The SS reinforcements perhaps?



Sevastopol was weak. The artillery was not really for beeing offensive. More for a active defense
Sevastopol was the ONLY source to feed and reenforce the crimea forces.

Why i did not attack from Kursk ? As i said earlier i feared things that hasn´t been there.
Artillery, backland lines and more important planes. The total german air superiority in the
south prevented me from beeing offensive. George could react very fast sending some artillery
and planes into that area. My forces there aren´t mobile enough for a fast success.
All in all with the same informations i had i would have done the same again. Based on what i know yet
i would have attacked and tried to cut of AG south and romania.
I´m too careful for any do or die strategies. I plan long term.

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