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Japanese Armor - 10/26/2008 6:58:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, I'm not even sure what question to ask here. I see that the 1st Tank Div that arrives in Kwantung has Type 2 and Type 3 tanks. Knowing virtually nothing about Japanese armor I was doing a little research that showed that a total of 34 Type 2 Ke-To tanks were produced. I also see that many of my tank regiments have already upgraded to the type 2 light tank. As I look at the armament pool I see many type 95 and type 97 tanks setting there. I also see that I have produced at least 400 type 2 tanks. What gives with IJA armor? Are the numbers in stock remotely representative of historical availability? Also, how can I gauge how many type 2 and 3 tanks will be available? Why do I feel I'm about to fall into a big production problem with my armor?

The reason I'm checking is that I'm getting ready to relocated the 1st Tank Div to the IO for an invasion of India.


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RE: Japanese Armor - 10/26/2008 9:51:26 PM   
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Are the numbers in stock remotely representative of historical availability?



Probably not. Look at the stock map of Oz (for example). Is that even "remotely representative of historical" accuracy?

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RE: Japanese Armor - 10/26/2008 10:05:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Japanese didn't have alot of industrial capacity to spare for tanks.

1940 values per Cox (Nomanhan) are only 573 AFV's (113 x Type 98; 271 x Type 87; 25 x Type 95 medium; 164 x Type 95 light)

1941 saw it doubled to around 1024 x AFV and 1165 in 1942 but then it dropped rapidly to 786 in 1943 and 342 in 1944. 1945 a paritial year saw a whopping 94 AFV built



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RE: Japanese Armor - 10/26/2008 11:57:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		The good thing about Japanese armor (if you're Japanese), is that, for the most part, a tank is a tank is a tank is a tank.  I did extensive testing to see the effects of different tanks, armor, guns etc.  I did several tank battles with everything from Shermans & Pershings and T-34s and KV-1s vs. the Japanese armor and

A tank is a tank, is a tank, is a tank.

Pretty much everything ended in fairly equal losses to both sides (where crappy Japanese tanks should have been slaughtered).

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RE: Japanese Armor - 10/27/2008 4:42:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		a tank is not a tank is not a tank. After you did your tests....i set up my own which showed that not to be the case.

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RE: Japanese Armor - 10/27/2008 12:51:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Equal skill-fatigue-disruption-moral. Equal leaders. Open terrain. Each test run 5 and 6 times.

Show me how your test was any more objective than mine, and I'll conceed the point.

Otherwise, I stand by my results.

A tank, is a tank, is a tank, is a tank.

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RE: Japanese Armor - 10/27/2008 2:24:51 PM   
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RE: Japanese Armor - 10/27/2008 2:40:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, but everybody knows your tests can't be trusted...

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RE: Japanese Armor - 10/27/2008 2:43:54 PM   
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RE: Japanese Armor - 10/27/2008 2:44:32 PM   
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RE: Japanese Armor - 10/27/2008 4:25:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		We can agree to disagree Nik.  It certainly wouldn't be the first time, and I doubt will be the last.

Franky, the results of your 2 executions, could be chalked up to the dubvious dice rolls (as could mine in all fairness).  All you did was run a different test, and got different results.  I'm not sure how that qualifies your execution as "more correct", but it's certainly your perrogative to assert that.

If you like apples and I like oranges, then so be it.

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RE: Japanese Armor - 10/27/2008 4:33:46 PM   
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We can agree to disagree Nik.  It certainly wouldn't be the first time, and I doubt will be the last.



As you wish. People certainly can make up their own minds.



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RE: Japanese Armor - 10/27/2008 8:51:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		As for armor in the game, I tend to use it mostly as a shock attack weapon.  When attacking I find it most effective for disrupting the enemy, especially inexperienced infantry.

Back to the question about production.  As I understand it Japan has armament factories and these produce guns, tanks, etc.  So type 2 and typ3 tanks will be produced in some quantity determined by the computer.  Is there much a player can do to influence this?


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RE: Japanese Armor - 10/27/2008 9:57:37 PM   
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They're somewhat useful for running down Dutchies in the DEI and Poms in Burma, but after that they are pretty useless.

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RE: Japanese Armor - 10/27/2008 10:00:22 PM   
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As for armor in the game, I tend to use it mostly as a shock attack weapon.  When attacking I find it most effective for disrupting the enemy, especially inexperienced infantry.

Back to the question about production.  As I understand it Japan has armament factories and these produce guns, tanks, etc.  So type 2 and typ3 tanks will be produced in some quantity determined by the computer.  Is there much a player can do to influence this?




you don´t produce tanks with armament factories, you produce tanks with vehicle factories. And as with the armament factories (for guns, squads...) you can´t influence what is produced.

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