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Your Opinions DO Count - 10/29/2008 2:06:19 PM   
105mm Howitzer


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Status: offline 		Hello, a couple of questions. I'm about ready to take the plunge and buy WITP, but first, some info.
1) In what way is this game different from Uncommon Valor?
2) The Admiral's Edition a complete game into itself, or just an expansion?
3) Is the difficulty level comparable as say, Highway to the Reich or Desert Fox ( SPI's old 2000 + counters game)

As always, thanks for your input
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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/29/2008 2:10:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		1): It's MUCH, MUCH, MUCH bigger, has far better mechanics and art, and is much more friendly to the modder.
2): It's an expansion, requiring you to have stock WitP installed already.
3): It's very complicated. Controlling every ship, sub, plane, squad, gun and tank from Karachi to San Francisco and Attu to Auckland will do that...

< Message edited by Terminus -- 10/29/2008 2:11:16 PM >

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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/29/2008 2:19:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus
2): It's an expansion, requiring you to have stock WitP installed already.


You sure ? I'm almost certain I heard somewhere it's going to be a stand-alone game.

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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/29/2008 2:20:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Quite sure. There HAS been some public confusion and some rumours to the contrary, but it IS an expansion.

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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/29/2008 3:58:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: 105mm Howitzer
3) Is the difficulty level comparable as say, Highway to the Reich...


It's not comparable. These are two completely different games. I play them both, but for different "kicks".


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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/29/2008 4:39:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus
Quite sure. There HAS been some public confusion and some rumours to the contrary, but it IS an expansion.


Looks like an ideal topic to have a wager on

Ok, if I'm wrong, I'll drink a beer to your health, you do the same for me - agreed ?

Now we only need a "Matrix Official Reply" to see if I have a good excuse (as if I need one really ...) to have a cold beer tonight

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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/29/2008 4:43:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		That bet wouldn't be very fair. For one, I'm on the AE development team. For another, Matrix has already confirmed this numerous times on the AE forum.

But have a cold one anyway...

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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/29/2008 4:47:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Widell

quote:

ORIGINAL: 105mm Howitzer
3) Is the difficulty level comparable as say, Highway to the Reich...


It's not comparable. These are two completely different games. I play them both, but for different "kicks".



I think he is talking about the monster boardgame Highway to the Recih
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/41288

Not the excellent and very playable Pather GAmes HTTR for PC.

If playing that kind of monster boardgames don't make you ready to tackle WiTP nothing will!


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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/29/2008 5:35:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus

That bet wouldn't be very fair. For one, I'm on the AE development team. For another, Matrix has already confirmed this numerous times on the AE forum.

But have a cold one anyway...


Congrats Terminus!!!

You are finally right (even a blind frog finds a fly every now and then).

And I so wanted to have a BBQ...

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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/29/2008 6:10:46 PM   
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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/29/2008 6:15:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yea, BUT the caveat is that since it IS a total replacement of the original game it only qualifies as an "expansion" by virtue of the fact that one has to have the original to be able to install it. The true definition of an "expansion" is something that "expands" the original game, not something that replaces it altogether with something completely different.

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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/29/2008 7:14:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arsan
I think he is talking about the monster boardgame Highway to the Recih
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/image/41288

Not the excellent and very playable Pather GAmes HTTR for PC.


I stand corrected... Those images make my miss the boardgaming days. Great stuff!

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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/30/2008 12:59:30 AM   
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maybe not exactly - 10/30/2008 2:21:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Yea, BUT the caveat is that since it IS a total replacement of the original game it only qualifies as an "expansion" by virtue of the fact that one has to have the original to be able to install it. The true definition of an "expansion" is something that "expands" the original game, not something that replaces it altogether with something completely different.


If WITP-AE gets its core and inspiration from WITP then to me that is an expansion. As I understand the project, in order to incorporate the new ideas and concepts that were "approved" from the extensive wish list. The team decided that doing major modifications (adds, cuts, changes etc...) to the old code was the best direction to go.

This was desirable because it was not possible (or perhaps realistic in terms of available resources) to try to patch WITP-AE into existance on top of an original WITP. And starting at the first line of the code would be more of a WITP-2 project, so that also was not a viable option.

Six one way, a half dozen the other. I just hope WITP-AE comes out good AND that we can have a BBQ terminus party (YIPPEE!!!)

You may now have your beer.

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RE: maybe not exactly - 10/30/2008 3:41:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks to Terminus et al. for your input....Plunge, here I come.
ps;Arsan, you are right, I meant the board game from SPI.
Thank you all again.

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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/30/2008 9:05:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: killroyishere
Now you folks have me craving a beer and there ain't any in the house.


Run, not walk, to the nearest shop - can't recall me ever being in such dire straits

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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/30/2008 9:10:19 AM   
sterckxe


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ORIGINAL: Terminus
That bet wouldn't be very fair. For one, I'm on the AE development team. For another, Matrix has already confirmed this numerous times on the AE forum.


Who said I was planning on winning that bet

Seriously : not too long ago someone from Matrix privately told me it could/might become a standalone game - meaning that you don't need the original WitP installed prior to installing the AE, so this wager is still running as far as I'm concerned. Well at least until the game is officially released.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus
But have a cold one anyway...


Tasted very well - I hope you felt the sudden increase in your health

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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/30/2008 11:38:57 AM   
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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/30/2008 11:59:26 AM   
m10bob


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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

It's an expansion.


About as "official" as it gets.
Now everybody can link back to this thread.


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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/30/2008 12:48:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins
It's an expansion.


Terminus : here's to you

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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/30/2008 1:14:07 PM   
HansBolter


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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

It's an expansion.



Would you mind defining "expansion" since I did not have "sex" with that woman?



Oh, never mind.....I'll take your word for it Erik.

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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/30/2008 11:08:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

It's an expansion.



Well that makes it pretty much absolute, expansion it is! And hopefully it will come with an expansion price tag.

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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/31/2008 2:51:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

It's an expansion.

You can get a good look at a t-bone steak by putting your head up a bull's arse but why not just take the butcher's word for it?
And T is always right, sometimes....

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RE: Your Opinions DO Count - 10/31/2008 5:30:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		105, Glad you bought Witp.

I got it in 2004 and played it off and on over the years. When it was all said and done it probably took me a good 9 months to be semi confortable with grand camp, production and all the other stuff. I'm also still learning, it's one of those games I don't think I'll ever master.

I forget if I paid $69 or $79...but it was worth it.

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