Slitherine

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Simmer asked: Is it possible to make a templet available for an onside kick?

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Simmer stated: I would like to see a possible edit to penalties if possible.

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Therhino asked: I know 3D fans were discussed for 2.5; could that be added for this update?

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Bobolini stated: I do feel that Uni's, stadiums, and gamplans would be a full compliment and worthy of the term "expansion".

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Bobolini asked: Also, I'm at 2.0. and wonder if I would have to update to 2.2 before applying the expansion?

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ORIGINAL: hack153

what i really want is the ability to select multiple plays at once when creating playbook groups.  that would cut my playbook creation time down by probably 50-75%.

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ORIGINAL: Marauders
Only David could do that, and he is working on new projects.

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It would be fairly simple for Me, Hack, and Mykal/redwolf1 to create a few leagues to replace the existing ones....leagues/playbooks/uniforms and team specific stadiums, with what we already have. Wouldnt need to charge anyone for it. A single install file and there ya go.

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Every game has an official ending for a version or year, and Maximum Football needed one. Just as Madden 2008 needed to end for Madden 2009 to begin development, Maximum Football 2.x needed to have an official final build.

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Unfortunately, I'm a football fan, not a student of the game, so designing plays is something beyond my capabilities (at least not without a lot of study). There has been a lot of work done on various American-rules playbooks, but not very much (any?) with Canadian-rules playbooks. So, I would be interested in an expansion that provided expanded/better Canadian-rules playbook(s).

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ORIGINAL: Marauders

Consider this, the lack of revenue from the upgrade of Maximum Football to 2.0 from 1.3 pretty much killed development.  David was pretty much coding the game for a few dollars a day.  There are dozens of features I have pushed from my own experience and from input from the community that David added to the game and didn't get an extra penny from.  A few months ago, he basically said, that's enough ... the burdens of support were outweighing the benefits.

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Marauders stated: A few months ago, he basically said, that's enough ... the burdens of support were outweighing the benefits.

I agree with everything you wrote except for the part I quoted above. That was the situation David created for himself by releasing the game in a nearly unplayable state.

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It was practically criminal to be charging $40 for the game considering the state it was in. The burden of support would have been a lot less if he hadn't rushed the initial release to make a quick buck.

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Disappearing from the board without a word and no longer supporting the product because he's not making any money off it says a lot to me about the type of person we're dealing with (or were). I seriously doubt I could ever buy another product with his name on it.

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ORIGINAL: Mykal
but their are 2 or 3 out their that others have made

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ORIGINAL: Marauders
Advanced Canadian and indoor playbooks have always been part of any plan to move forward.

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ORIGINAL: Marauders
That stated, I believe that all of the beta team members knew that David was burning out, the signs were evident to me over a year ago, and I don't believe that some community members understand what that really means in terms of a real world condition. David hit the wall, and he did it while trying to add features and updates that the community requested. Maximum Football was beyond the game he had wanted, he was getting little in return for his efforts, and his life suffered.

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TH1207 stated: So all my credits goes to our diehard community members like hack, gary, mykal, marauders et al, who keeps this game & community alive.

I wouldn´t mind to donate an "unofficial update / patch" as long as its made by community members. But atm I wouldn´t like an official "unofficial" update for which I have to pay for, as there are many flaws that still will be remaining.

• if you ever sim Canadian rules games check the first 10 plays of any game in the logs.  Chances are good you will see a fumble about 40-50% of the time.  Kind of a random thing because you may see that kind of thing 5% of the time in real life but there's no way it is anywhere near as predictable as it is in MaxFB. 
  
• You can't onside kick,
  
• the computer's clock management is Rod Marinelli esque
  
• the graphic models are locked down and quite honestly sub-par
  
• the crossbar and goal posts are inanimate objects seemingly - i've never seen anything bounce off em'
  
• the ball occasionally goes thru the uprights for 1 point not 3
  
• in a simmed game an INT is never returned for a TD,
  
• a Punt never returned for a TD
  
• a kick never returned for a TD
  
• a fumble never returned for a TD. 
  
• In the arcade style mode punt returns are too often returned for a score due to some of the innate behavior of saying "go this way" even when it doesn't make sense - no if/then/if not/then possiblities, a lack of the option which is one of the most prevalent offenses of all time
  
• The process of setting a depth chart is convoluted and automatically doing it results in quite frankly - wrong assignments<fullback>
  
• Positions in 8 man are out of wack where you can't make a LB a FB which is fairly common
  
• The computer randomly will create players during a season to fill spots
  
• the draft creates way too many players without human intervention
  
• there is no usable output on board without massive human intervention
  
• Ball doesn't bounce off of walls
  
• QB Trajectory is too consistent, low passes aren't whizzers and bombs don't loft enough.  Every
  
• the stats are saved in a format in the db that requires massive human intervention
  
• included playbooks aren't optimized to what the game has expanded into
  
• Positional reality is ignored - the NFL, AFL, NCAA, CFL, most High Schools, Amateur teams, indoor leagues.  The only league where I saw teams with the positions like those in Max FB was the BAFL.  Yes the only way to accurate display positions in Max FB is to use a British American Football League.  This is denial of reality, we call them DTs because they play DT in this day and era, when we refer to the player being a tight end we're talking about the position on the field that he most regularly plays and is positioned at per the league he plays in.  They use this for contracts so it is a real part of football and MaxFB has ignored it
  
• Multiple Lateral Passes behind the line - legal in every league I'm aware of... not possible in Max FB
  
• no trade engine per se, no contract engine, no cap engin