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The "Actual" Greatest War Movie ever - 4/22/2002 2:56:25 AM   
Les_the_Sarge_9_1

 

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Because second place isn't "the greatest" so its not required.

Today I watched a film that so deftly booted what I thought was the "greatest" off the top slot with such incredible ease.

It's not a new film or a really old one (well not old to me I suppose).

I watched Good Morning Vietnam. Bill Maudlin would have been very proud of that film.

It wasn't about cool battle scenes or great effects.

I am voting for it because I cried several times while watching it. An unexpected result certainly. But I have never seen the complete idiocy of war better portrayed on film.

Perhaps we really should have a comedian in the top post of our countries. Maybe they could get everyone to finally see what we are not seeing.

It's just such incredible bitter irony, that a comedian was able to make a better war movie. But being a lunatic in my own way, I know that often comics are naturally more sensitive to insanity.

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- 4/22/2002 6:00:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		mmm....very difficult question Sarge^__^
let me think........
I'd probably say:"A bridge too far",not because of special effects,it's quite an old movie indeed,but because of the very good picture that is taken for every actor tah took part of that incredible Drama named Market garden
but i'm not so sure about my choice:D :D :D

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- 4/22/2002 6:14:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		My choice would have to be "Kelly's Heros" with too many stars in it to name them all, but some great shots of late model Tigers.

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- 4/22/2002 7:07:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		TLD = The Longest Day. Better the cast, if you can. Actually better in the historical accuracy department than I originally thought - Lovatt really WAS a nut who bopped around the battlefield in a white sweater, hunting rifle slung over his shoulder.

Involves the single greatest military event in modern history. Nothing touchs Overlord as a WW2 subject for epic drama.

Besides, where else can you watch Burton - with his thick Welsh accent - emoting on the lines "At the bottom ... of the channel ..."? And not laugh while reading the line? You KNOW the other guy wants to say,"Oh drat, that means I won't be getting my boots back, doesn't it?" - but doesn't dare. Watch the scene closely - he almost laughs when Burton delivers, you can see it at the corners of his mouth.

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- 4/22/2002 7:40:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Kelly's Hero's gets my vote! This is another great movie that uses comdey to protray how absured war really is!
the preformances of Carol O'Connor and Donald Sutherland are just a major - major treat! and Don Rickels is a scream as always.
There is much to be learned from this movie if you study the charcters.... :)

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- 4/22/2002 7:42:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, you all knew it was coming... [I]Saving Private Ryan[/I] . I have agreed with the quality of all of the suggestions thus far, but c'mon now. Special effects, excellent acting, poignant message about the horrors of war, etc. I would, had it been officially a 'movie', have nominated HBO's [I]Band of Brothers[/I] . Don't get mad, I only named one actual movie.

Hey Sarge; maybe after a couple days of answers you could do a poll with the top few nominees. I think that would be interesting.

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- 4/22/2002 7:48:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by WhiteRook
[B]Kelly's Hero's gets my vote! This is another great movie that uses comdey to protray how absured war really is!
the preformances of Carol O'Connor and Donald Sutherland are just a major - major treat! and Don Rickels is a scream as always.
There is much to be learned from this movie if you study the charcters.... :) [/B][/QUOTE]

Not to mention Clint Eastwood as "Kelly". :)


I swear, I still love the scene where Eastwood, Savalas, and Sutherland do a take-off on almost every western movie ever made and walk down the street gunfighter style to face down the Tiger. If you listen close you can hear the sound of 6 "brass ones" clinking as they walk. ;)

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- 4/22/2002 8:11:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Patton, To hell and back, Guns of Navarone, Bridge over the river Kwai, Kelly's hero's, Apocalypse Now, Platton. So many good ones to choose from. It's all a matter a preference I guess.

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- 4/22/2002 8:21:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by gmenfan
[B]Patton, To hell and back, Guns of Navarone, Bridge over the river Kwai, Kelly's hero's, Apocalypse Now, Platton. So many good ones to choose from. It's all a matter a preference I guess. [/B][/QUOTE]

HE SAID ONE! We all bit our tongues and just named one (my mini-series doesn't count;) ) Jeez, moderate the board, and you can do whatever ya want.;) :)

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- 4/22/2002 8:29:59 AM   
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- 4/22/2002 5:28:54 PM   
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A war film and so much more.

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- 4/22/2002 6:35:09 PM   
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- 4/22/2002 6:47:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd vote Band of Brothers but that's a mini-series so I vote A Bridge to Far.

Saving Private Ryan was a good movie with a crappy plot.

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Cross of Iron - 4/22/2002 7:11:58 PM   
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You just don't get lines like that in many movies.

"I hate all stinking officers" That and Sam Peckinpaugh slow motion action make "Cross of Iron" my favorite. I am a big fan of James Colburn and James Mason. Saving Private Ryan is way to cliche Hollywood. It is well directed/acted/filmed but it follows the required Hollywood format of unsupported American unit, having to fight impossible odds. Like the USA would not know what unit Ryan was in and in 3 days had made no radio contact blah blah blah. What was medic doing attacking MG-42? Why did they not just use that sniper or better still lob a rife grenade into it?
Whats the big deal over that little bridge? Blow the **** thing and forget about it. The US could rebridge it in around 20 minutes. blah blah blah Hollywood soap. Runner up is "Paths of Glory" Kirk Douglass "I'll take the anthill" (he don't)

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Sorry to say - 4/22/2002 7:21:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		But the best war movie has to be the full 8 hour epic of "Lawrence of Arabia"

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- 4/22/2002 7:42:27 PM   
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- 4/22/2002 7:53:26 PM   
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No other war movies can compare with it...

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- 4/22/2002 8:06:36 PM   
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thats winter war for all u nonfinns :)

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- 4/22/2002 8:12:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tough one... Die Brücke or Das Boot?

A handful of kids hopelessly defending a bridge against the US Army or an experienced U-boot crew facing hopeless odds?

Probably Das Boot...but it's a close race...

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- 4/22/2002 8:31:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		the longest day is really a legend...the grand cast is uncomparable for all other movies...
the bridge over river kwai and the thin red line are also good portrayal of the world war two battlefields.
saving private ryan...hahaha,that's funny. I have watched the first 30 minutes over and over again, that's great...and after that...what a creep.
despite all are ww2 film... i think black hawn down is very good also

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- 4/22/2002 8:38:21 PM   
Les_the_Sarge_9_1

 

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Status: offline 		Great replies so far.

Goblin gets a star for whacking the moderator for me heheh.

Looks like you guys all picked my fav movies, you guys obviously are either A as old as me or B have at least the same tastes (hope that didn't come out sounding like a put down hehe:) ).

Special effects seem to be the basis for so many films today. I liked Ryan mainly for how it stunned the audiences for the first 30 minutes with horrifyingly graphic violence.

For history nuts... The real Ryan was a limey that obviously went ashore on a British beach.

Great actors don't aaaaaalways make a great war movie, but lousy actors sure make a lousy one. Which is why I have never been overly worried about adding a few modern modern setting movies to my list, had a great plot and action, but I hated the actors to much.

Maybe I well start a thread later for "Crappiest War Movie ever".

Pity is I have seen some grrrrrreat war movies, but did they actually "move me emotionally" is a hard one to achieve. I left a few choices off my own selection process simply because they were only great movies, and not influential movies.

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- 4/22/2002 9:06:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lars Remmen
[B]Tough one... Die Brücke or Das Boot?

A handful of kids hopelessly defending a bridge against the US Army or an experienced U-boot crew facing hopeless odds?

Probably Das Boot...but it's a close race...

Regards,

Lars [/B][/QUOTE]

Wow! Lars, I got exactly the same movies on the top of my list!

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- 4/22/2002 9:13:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		It has to be Black Hawk Down... although a close second is the Russian movie "Come and See"

I have heard a numbr of Finns talk about "Winter War" but have never seen it... and I REALLY want to see it

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- 4/22/2002 9:17:12 PM   
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- 4/22/2002 9:18:50 PM   
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[B]It has to be Black Hawk Down... although a close second is the Russian movie "Come and See"

I have heard a numbr of Finns talk about "Winter War" but have never seen it... and I REALLY want to see it [/B][/QUOTE]

IMO, "Winter War" is kinda clumsy movie, although it has some memorable scenes.

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- 4/22/2002 10:26:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lars Remmen
[B]Tough one... Die Brücke or Das Boot?



Lars [/B][/QUOTE]

Ahhh!! Seeing that posted made me remember seeing a bit of that film! (the bridge) If I remember correctly, I saw part of it in a high school history class... too long ago, can't remember clearly (if I've got this problem now, I don't want to know what it's like when I hit 30 :()

Anyhow, not sure if this is absolutely the best, but it's my favorite for non-world war two...
"March or Die"
Course, I've always been somewhat of a closet legion fanatic... ;-)

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Tough Choice - 4/22/2002 10:37:23 PM   
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Then I remembered "Stalingrad" (subtitled version)

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- 4/22/2002 11:29:25 PM   
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I know it is a mini-series but I no other movie has ever captured the unglorified realism without the "Hollywood" feel. Just ask the men from Easy Company who were consulted and interviewed during the filming.

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Re: Tough Choice - 4/22/2002 11:30:44 PM   
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[B]Then I remembered "Stalingrad" (subtitled version) [/B][/QUOTE]

Ouch! I dont want to offend anybody, but I´d vote German-made Stalingrad as the "Crappiest War Movie ever".

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smells like victory - 4/23/2002 1:35:41 AM   
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