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Change suggestions - 12/2/2008 8:17:21 AM

boogada

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- Can we please get a Cavalry unit for Serbia so that they can break out of their country? To force the CP player to commit at least a single unit to the Serbian border? I mean with the three offensive points the Serbs can take Sarajewo and Raguse, but thats it. Even if completely unckecked they won't make it to Pecs or anywhere else.

- Upper Silesia should have some industry points. It was a major industry area in the Reich. Its in the south-east corner, pretty much between Breslau and Krakow. I think Breslau should get at least one industry. One of the fears of the OHL was a Russian attack into this area. Only the early Austrian advance from the south stopped this from becoming true. I think its silly that the Russians have to walk right up to Berlin itself before they make any effect on the German economy.

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RE: Change suggestions - 12/2/2008 1:26:35 PM

ILCK

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I don't have an issue with the inability of the Serbs to mount more than a limited offensive. I doubt the Serb army in 1914 was capable of much power projection beyond some strikes over the border.

I agree that the Germans economy could be a bit more dispersed, or heck, given the balance issues just given a new hex.

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RE: Change suggestions - 12/2/2008 2:37:32 PM

boogada

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I think one Cavalry corps would still be a very limited offensive capability. This is only for the case of the CP player not paying any attention to Serbia.

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RE: Change suggestions - 12/2/2008 5:18:00 PM

FM WarB

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The Serbs did have an independent cavalry division at start, so I could see adding a cav unit to their forces. They started with 11 infantry divisions, which is rather less than seven "Corps." So take a cavalry division and subtract two infantry "Corps" and you'd get it about right.

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RE: Change suggestions - 12/2/2008 6:43:06 PM

Kaliber

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Historically speaking, you're of course right about Silesia. But you're not exactly speaking from a disinterested point of view;-)

As it stands today, players seem to agree that AH has to set up the bulk of their forces to counter a russian drive for Vienna. So that's what I did. There's really very little choice left for the CP player in case he sets up for a France-first strategy (as I've done in our ongoing game). The CP player can of course gamble that the russians will do something else, but that gamble could easily cost him the game.

In game terms there's also no point in leaving any corps on the serbian border unless you're going to attack - which you can't, since you have to setup againt the russians. And then you might just as well set up everything against them.

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RE: Change suggestions - 12/2/2008 7:06:41 PM

FM WarB

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A chevauchee by the Serbs north would take some time. The Austrians should be able to deal with it. It might even make the eventual conquest of Serbia easier, as the Serbs cant expect much help from their allies with a German full bull attack against France.

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RE: Change suggestions - 12/2/2008 7:28:50 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kaliber
Historically speaking, you're of course right about Silesia. But you're not exactly speaking from a disinterested point of view;-)

As it stands today, players seem to agree that AH has to set up the bulk of their forces to counter a russian drive for Vienna. So that's what I did. There's really very little choice left for the CP player in case he sets up for a France-first strategy (as I've done in our ongoing game). The CP player can of course gamble that the russians will do something else, but that gamble could easily cost him the game.

In game terms there's also no point in leaving any corps on the serbian border unless you're going to attack - which you can't, since you have to setup againt the russians. And then you might just as well set up everything against them.

I admit that both points come from our ongoing game. But especially the Serbia part has been in my mind before.
I'm still not convinced that the drive for Vienna is really a winning tactic. Although I tried it this game. And I know that there is no immediate need for the CP player to go against Serbia. But if he commits no troops against an enemy, in an unstable region like the Balcans - and can expect nothing to happen... no. Just one cavalry. Serbia even has its own artillery. And quite a number of infantry too.

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RE: Change suggestions - 12/2/2008 10:25:29 PM

Kaliber

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quote:

ORIGINAL: boogada

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kaliber
Historically speaking, you're of course right about Silesia. But you're not exactly speaking from a disinterested point of view;-)

As it stands today, players seem to agree that AH has to set up the bulk of their forces to counter a russian drive for Vienna. So that's what I did. There's really very little choice left for the CP player in case he sets up for a France-first strategy (as I've done in our ongoing game). The CP player can of course gamble that the russians will do something else, but that gamble could easily cost him the game.

In game terms there's also no point in leaving any corps on the serbian border unless you're going to attack - which you can't, since you have to setup againt the russians. And then you might just as well set up everything against them.

I admit that both points come from our ongoing game. But especially the Serbia part has been in my mind before.
I'm still not convinced that the drive for Vienna is really a winning tactic. Although I tried it this game. And I know that there is no immediate need for the CP player to go against Serbia. But if he commits no troops against an enemy, in an unstable region like the Balcans - and can expect nothing to happen... no. Just one cavalry. Serbia even has its own artillery. And quite a number of infantry too.

Well, you're right of course. Both from a political and military point of view, it's perfectly unrealistic that AH doesn't set up a single corps against Serbia. But when I play these games, I try to win, not to reenact history. It's simply more fun that way, whatever the outcome and regardless of the absurdities.

As for adding a serbian cav corps, it might be a good counter to an unrealistic setup. Then again, you could simply transfer a french one. And maybe there are better uses for the serbs than attacking the border cities. Imagine the serbian army showing up in France! OK, that's probably even more unrealistic than the austrians not defending their border, but what the heck!

The main problem today is that the austrians are forced to set up everything to protect Vienna. It was a good idea to leave setup totally free, but now that someone has figured out the "magic code", it just doesn't work so well as intended anymore. The russians simply shouldn't allow to setup everything against Vienna and much would be solved.

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RE: Change suggestions - 12/2/2008 10:36:27 PM

boogada

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I once used the Serbian Army to amphib the Ottomans. I mean I had the menpower and the activation points and some British transports. That was fun.

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RE: Change suggestions - 12/3/2008 10:20:13 AM

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You can also send French/UK HQ�s to assist the Serbians to advance. France usally dosen�t need them since they won�t be making that many counterattacks.

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