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RE: WitPTracker 1.4 - 11/28/2008 10:16:56 AM   
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Floyd, Damian, I'm coming here with a completely new suggestion. And large-scale too. So, it's only a long-term suggestion, most probably not doable right now. It is threefold, but each part being related to the others. So, it's one -big- suggestion.

First, as WitPTracker is already tracking all these info, it would be to allow the user to "pick a date" and see the global situation at this date, in the various sheets of data, without needing to jump in the History sub-boxes. So that a player could easily discover which units were that what base at a certain date, which ships were in a given TF, who where the pilots of VMF-214 during a particular day in the past. I suppose the interest would be particularly acute for the AAR-writers and RPers, but it could be useful to compare two battles and see what where the differences that made you win one and lose the other. Or see, which LCU achieved in the past an obscure (at the time) victory that had dramatic (in the good sense) consequences several months later.

Second, when I finished my last short scenario game (Guadalcanal), I was sad I could not get info on the Japanese side for the 200 or so turns, only current (end) situation. So, would it be possible for Tracker to read the other side's data, store it somewhere, but keep it locked until the end of the game (be it auto-victory, common agreement, or will of the lone player) ? That way, you could then compare both side's situation in the past, see how (un)lucky you've been, how much damage your attacks really made, understand why you've been surprised at particular times, etc. Kind of like the work done by historians (Liddle Hart & co) who interviewed german officers could then put to the grave some common misconceptions of the Desert War, D-Day or the Battle of the Bulge.

And third, ... a map. A map where we could see the units, LCUs, ships, TF, airgroups, etc. To see the flow, devise strategies without needing to open WitP. Kind of what Bodhi's Utility, but with units instead of intel/ops/battles. Could be very useful when coupled with the two previous parts, when looking at the past, when looking for missed opportunities and lucky catches.



So, like I said, it's only a broad, long-term idea. You have more pressing changes to make I'm sure, but this is an idea I've had for a little while, and knowing my brain, I'd better share it now before forgetting about it.


And the new comparison interface for upgrades looks great. I can't wait for the next update.

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RE: WitPTracker 1.4 - 11/28/2008 1:05:35 PM   
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1. Possible but a load of coding to achieve that ... I was thinking more about a future perspective first, something which Nemo alluded to some time ago. I want to see if I can put together a Centralised Planning Area for combat forces and production, time permitting...

2. Difficult, particularly in that the data can not be "hidden", using other DB utils you can see all the tables and data. But you could keep your game saves and at the end ask for your opponents password... or if he is using tracker swap the DB files

3. I'd prefer to build on Bohdi's fine work first and then maybe go down that track... still don't want to reinvent the "wheel" unless I can make it better...

Cheers
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RE: WitPTracker 1.4 - 11/28/2008 2:42:45 PM   
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1. Possible but a load of coding to achieve that ... I was thinking more about a future perspective first, something which Nemo alluded to some time ago. I want to see if I can put together a Centralised Planning Area for combat forces and production, time permitting...

I fail to understand what this CPA would look like...

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RE: WitPTracker 1.4 - 11/29/2008 12:53:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		A virtual sandbox in which players would be able to see what forces would be available on a given date in the future ( for both sides ) and then sandbox it out by moving units to various theatres to see what would be possible in terms of correlation of forces.

Would probably be a useful way for players to figure out the maximum size of enemy reserves --- a crucial component in all plans.

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RE: WitPTracker 1.4 - 11/29/2008 3:10:56 PM   
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RE: WitPTracker 1.4 - 12/1/2008 4:02:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, sorry for the double-post, but I just remembered an idea I forgot to write down : in the Air group panel, an additional filter for the plane type (fighter, level bomber, recon, etc) would be great, as checking each model is a bit long.

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RE: WitPTracker now at 1.4 - 12/2/2008 10:43:29 AM   
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I don't seem to be able to get this tracker to run. I get the error

"the command java -jar is misspelled or could not be found" (I translated this from German).

Though I did install the altest Java application.

Any help would be much appreciated :)

Thanks

Patrick


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RE: WitPTracker now at 1.4 - 12/2/2008 2:04:05 PM   
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Hi there,

I don't seem to be able to get this tracker to run. I get the error

"the command java -jar is misspelled or could not be found" (I translated this from German).

Though I did install the altest Java application.

Any help would be much appreciated :)

Thanks

Patrick




Looks to me like it can't find Java at all. From a command window (CMD), can you start Java by just entering "java"?

Floyd

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RE: WitPTracker 1.4 - 12/2/2008 3:12:45 PM   
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RE: WitPTracker 1.4 - 12/2/2008 7:37:42 PM   
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RE: WitPTracker 1.4 - 12/2/2008 10:24:24 PM   
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Could WITPTracker keeps track of the varius combat reports like bhodi's utility does?


Maybe later, but for now, we're just reading information from the save file and not the assorted .txt files. We would like to do it, though.

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RE: WitPTracker 1.4 - 12/2/2008 10:25:01 PM   
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Thx for the hint, I have reset my PATH and now it works ;)


Great!

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RE: WitPTracker 1.4 - 12/3/2008 5:38:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Engine history problem. The top three engines give the wrong history. NAk you get Mits, Kaw you get Naks and Mits you get Hits






I also meant to ask, how is the number of engines accrued (+) or shortfall (-) worked out?

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RE: WitPTracker 1.4 - 12/3/2008 11:39:42 PM   
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Engine history problem. The top three engines give the wrong history. NAk you get Mits, Kaw you get Naks and Mits you get Hits






I also meant to ask, how is the number of engines accrued (+) or shortfall (-) worked out?


If you sort the table by increasing ID, then it should be right. If that works, I know why it's showing the wrong history.

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RE: WitPTracker 1.4 - 12/4/2008 12:57:50 AM   
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I also meant to ask, how is the number of engines accrued (+) or shortfall (-) worked out?

Chris Look here ...

# Air Production and Engines http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=1824258

and the other problem is in fact because you have changed the sort, I'll fix that for the next release.

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RE: WitPTracker 1.4 - 12/4/2008 2:32:35 AM   
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Not sure what kind of display you mean for where the devices are going to. Do you mean on the Current Usage table to also show how the count changed (increase or decrease)? Then you can check how each LCU changed turn-by-turn in its' history. Or something else...?

I'm not sure either. I must have been tired at the time, for I don't know what I actually meant there. But your understanding of my suggestion is fine for me. However, there would be the problem of the device-count changing due to other reasons (splitting the LCU for transport, battle casualties, etc). This might not be as helpful as I thought at first.


It may not be so bad to see when you lose devices as well, but the splitting/merging will also show up. Maybe not that bad, since it's probably not happening every turn to each LCU.


I added a new column to the Device History which shows the delta between the last loaded turn and the turn loaded before:


How does that look?

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RE: WitPTracker 1.4 - 12/10/2008 3:05:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		More development ... looking at using some charts (sorry for the washed out colours) to represent LCU production...

Here is my first attempt looking at units arriving over a year period. The bottom shows the number of arriving units over time. The top shows PP's, accumulated PP's, and projected PP's. I'll do similar for Arm and Veh... thoughts ? Of course this is rough & will be focusing on HQ restricted units ... (Nemo mod EA)

I'll do something similar for Air Production ... although this is going to be more complex.




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RE: WitPTracker 1.4 - 12/10/2008 6:37:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, guys, I've found a problem with the Air Production screen. Having forgotten to load a turn from my current test run, I scrapped the database and reloaded all turns via the multi-turn read facility.
Now the Air production screen, history tab, seems to keep the Pool, Loss, and Used values from the first turn while the other columns are properly updated:




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Minefields - 12/11/2008 11:32:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		After a bit of prodding from Damian, and lots of good legwork from the same offender, we have added a new panel showing minefields:


The panel only shows mines for your "side". And mine fields laid at a non-friendly base show as "-1".

And a view of the per-turn history:


Also added was an Alert when a minefield ceases to exist.

Comments? Suggestions?

-- Floyd

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RE: Minefields - 12/12/2008 12:18:02 AM   
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I had a suggestion with regards to charts. I'd like to see charts for air losses added if possible.

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RE: Minefields - 12/12/2008 12:39:15 AM   
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I like the new features being added.

I had a suggestion with regards to charts. I'd like to see charts for air losses added if possible.


Yeah, the plan was to graph all of the Victory Point-related items. Maybe in the coming release or the next one...

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RE: WitPTracker 1.0 - 12/13/2008 5:17:09 AM   
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RE: WitPTracker 1.0 - 12/13/2008 6:09:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Comment noted, but I'm not sure why you are saying ... If you need help ... then give us some information and we'll deal with your issues... there is no reason why this util can't work.

Details:
What isn't working ?
Do you have java installed ?
What mod are you using ?
Is the property file set correctly?
What files do you have in the Tracker folder ? screen shot or file name...
Can you provide a screen shot of the command prompt screen?

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RE: WitPTracker 1.0 - 12/15/2008 1:51:06 AM   
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I just got John 3rd to install Tracker after 1 1/2 hour phone call. Now he can bother you about his economy.

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RE: WitPTracker 1.0 - 12/15/2008 1:52:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bonjour,

I like particularly the alert for the end of a minefield.

Something I would like to see is the indication, for each owned base, of the work in progress for Port, airfield and fortifications. Not necessarily the % of progress as I know it might be complex to calculate, but simply if Yes or No some work are in progress.
It would be fine on the Bases main screen.

I would also like to have an history for the leaders to show which units they have been in command of. But only if you have the information in the database today because I think the files sizes are already big enough to not add this type of information. This is not so important. It would be nice for AAR purpose.
Thanks.

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RE: WitPTracker 1.0 - 12/15/2008 2:19:46 PM   
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Something I would like to see is the indication, for each owned base, of the work in progress for Port, airfield and fortifications. Not necessarily the % of progress as I know it might be complex to calculate, but simply if Yes or No some work are in progress.
It would be fine on the Bases main screen.


Yeah Floyd and I are working on that, calculations are being made (it is a calculated field) -- possibly in the next build. It is still being tested, and possibly reworked if needed...there is a lot of testing here as the percentages work on the Lvl & potential().
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I would also like to have an history for the leaders to show which units they have been in command of. But only if you have the information in the database today because I think the files sizes are already big enough to not add this type of information. This is not so important. It would be nice for AAR purpose.

Yeah the DB is getting pretty huge...

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Damian,
I just got John 3rd to install Tracker after 1 1/2 hour phone call. Now he can bother you about his economy.

One and a half hours ... damn ... can I buy shares in your telco ?

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RE: WitPTracker 1.4 - 12/17/2008 9:57:10 AM   
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RE: WitPTracker 1.4 - 12/17/2008 10:01:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Can you do a screen shot for me Chris, not sure which screen you mean ... Is Ambonia a base you have recently captured or changed hands ?

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RE: WitPTracker 1.4 - 12/17/2008 10:26:53 AM   
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RE: WitPTracker 1.4 - 12/17/2008 12:37:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can not get this page to show the whole chart. Any ideas on why?

The chart will not resize for me. I have seen that others can view the entire chart.





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