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RE: Possible instructors exploit - 12/19/2008 1:40:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CV Zuikaku

And another pilot question:
does the survivability of the pilots in AE depends wheather they fight over friendly or enemy TF/airbase. Do the defending pilots take less MiAs and KiAs?

yes.

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RE: Possible instructors exploit - 12/19/2008 2:38:47 PM   
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Good improvement!

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RE: Possible instructors exploit - 12/19/2008 6:27:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Zuikaku, in short... Yes.

You'll have a substantially greater chance of saving the pilot if he's shot down over friendly territory.


EDIT: I should have noticed that there was another page to this thread!!!

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/21/2008 12:13:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have so many thoughts and questions, and I realize I am very late to the game but they are as follows.

1) Will "Carrier Capable" units like USMC Air units become carrier trained if they operate off of carrier for a length of time? I have at times left those units on carriers for months to years with out their status changing. I would think they would eventually become proficent at carrier landings eventually.

2) when one divides an air group will it go to "Air Group./A, Air Group/B, Air Group/C" or will it breakdown into that air groups corresponding squadrons;
for example 35th Fighter Group
39th Fighter Squadron
40th Fighter Squadron
41st Fighter Squadron
If so that would be swell.

3) Will it be possible to add or possibly hard coded in unit details like nicknames, ala Black Sheep, Jolly Rogers, Flying Tigers etc... make it easier to keep straight all those numerous VMF-*** squadrons and those blasted japanese squadrons which seem to have no rhyme nor reason to their numbering system at all. Not a criticism of y'all, but more of disorganized chaos of the IJ military more than anything, or my own cultural bias, whatever.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/21/2008 12:25:22 PM   
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2): All US fighter and bombers come in squadrons now, not groups, so there's no breaking them down.

3): No.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/21/2008 1:23:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		On the carrier capable vs carrier trained: is there a switch or some other mechanism for units to be designated 'carrier trained' instead of merely starting on a carrier? I thought I read something like that months ago in an AE thread.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/21/2008 1:57:48 PM   
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On the carrier capable vs carrier trained: is there a switch or some other mechanism for units to be designated 'carrier trained' instead of merely starting on a carrier? I thought I read something like that months ago in an AE thread.


Yes. It's all done in the editor, with a "CV capable" switch for aircraft, and a "CV trained" switch for air groups.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/21/2008 3:39:33 PM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/21/2008 6:14:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are the Dutch and Brits going to be locked as per stock for upgrades?

IE........Brits May 42 and Dutch June 42?

I have seen reports that 24 Hurricane IIb's were diverted and used in Java after the fall of Singapore. Be nice to be able to upgrade to them.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/21/2008 9:49:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		There were some Hurricanes diverted after the fall of Singapore. I think they were crated and not sure if many of them got put together before Java went down the tube but they were there.

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RE: Possible instructors exploit - 12/21/2008 10:02:29 PM   
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Hawker Hurricane in Dutch Service
Delivery
In 1941, the Dutch East Indies Air Force ordered twelve Hurricanes, but they were not delivered because there was a shortage of powerplants. In late 1941, a total of 24 Hurricane Mk Is on route to Singapore for the Royal Air Force (RAF) were delivered in crates to Tjililitan at Jave for use by tbe Dutch East Indies Air Force. They had no radio equipment and no oxygen equipment. On 16 February 1942, they were flown to Kalidjati, where they were probably serialed (1 to 24?) and a red - white - blue flag was painted on the tail at Ngoro. Of the two squadrons of the Java Air Force, one squadron defended Batavia.

Operational Use
Two Hurricanes were destroyed during training. The Hurricane flown by pilot Hamming touched the ground with the propellor and the other, flown by sergeant Hermans, crashed during landing. On 21 February 1942, eight Hurricanes were surprised during their landing at Kalidjati by Japanese Nakajima Ki.43 Hayabusa (Oscar) fighters. Sergeant Jacobs turned up in a bombcrater, but two of the Hurricanes escaped to Tjikampek. On 26 February 1942, the last seven Hurricanes flew to Ngoro and on 1 March 1942 the Hurricanes attacked the invading Japanese landingcraft at Bantam Bay and Kretan. One Hurricane, flown by lieutenant Bruinler, touched a boat with the propellor, but reached Ngoro safe. Lieutenant Marinus escaped to Soerakarta, but his Hurricane crashed the following morning, whereby the pilot escaped safely. Vaandrig (pilot) Vink flew to Banjoermas. On 9 March 1942, the six remaining Hurricanes were set on fire by their crews at Ngoro.

Combat Record
The fighting at the beginning of the war in the Pacific had created a surplus of RAF pilots in the Far East, because many aircraft were lost without their pilots, and there was resentment at the handing over of the Hurricanes to the Dutch, whose pilots were less combat skilled. But, in two weeks, the Dutch Hurricanes destroyed or damaged thirty Japanese aircraft, for the loss of 18 to 20 Hurricanes.

There are no photographes of the Hurricane in Dutch service.

Sources

* F-16 - De nieuwe straaljager van onze luchtmacht, H. Hooftman, Cockpit Uitgeverij, 1979.
* Hurricane, E. Bishop, Airlife Publishing Limited, 1986.
* Wings of Fame - Volume 1, D. Donald, Aerospace Publishing Limited, 1996.

I found this history of Hurricane I's in Dutch service. I also found that some Hurricanes (not sure if they were some of these Dutch ones or British ones) were captured and put into service by the JAAF (2 apparently with the 64th Sentai)in Burma but were destroyed in an AVG raid on their airfield before they actually got into action.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/22/2008 1:44:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you terminus for answering my questions which have probably already been asked a hundred times elsewhere. It is appreciated. I really can't wait for this game.

Oh, I have another question that has most likely been asked before. When one scuttles a heavily damaged CV a day or two after a battle will I still lose all of my surviving pilots? Why do they go down with the ship, or do they and I don't see them back in the pool? How will/does that work? Oh and will I be able to fold surviving fragments into full units on other carriers, (ex. Yorktown gets sunk and fragments land on Hornet, and the fragments get folded into Hornet's exsisting Air Groups.)

Thank you again for your patience. And Happy Holidays to everyone!

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/22/2008 10:23:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		From a prior combat AAR, I recall seeing mention of some training aircraft at PH. Are trainers in the inventory throughout, and if so, will they be linked to a nations' ability to train pilots?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/22/2008 10:26:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes and no. There are no aircraft of the type "trainer", but we do have training units.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/22/2008 10:31:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Yes and no. There are no aircraft of the type "trainer", but we do have training units.



Thank you!

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/23/2008 12:42:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

Are the Dutch and Brits going to be locked as per stock for upgrades?

IE........Brits May 42 and Dutch June 42?



Negative, upgrade limitations are done per a/c availability dates.

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ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

I have seen reports that 24 Hurricane IIb's were diverted and used in Java after the fall of Singapore. Be nice to be able to upgrade to them.


They're there, along with other Johnny-come-latelys.


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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/23/2008 5:12:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		How many B-25 versions are in the game?
Are there Strafers converions included? If yes at what rate and at what date on?

PS: Dont know if this was considered or no, but maybe this could be for a patch or WITPII:
Unit in New Guinea has lost few planes, when clicking on Get plane from pool, this will create fragment unit say at Brisbane, each time you click on Get plane from pool, one plane will be added to the fragment to some limit (24 planes squadron to sum of 24). Then this planes could be flown to their parent unit in New Guinea. Or the parent unit should come down to north australia to pick up the fragment.
This could better represent the way replacement planes were obtained.


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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/23/2008 5:56:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is already there..............if you want replacements for an air group and the unit is outside max ferry range from HQ, then a fragment will be created.

But it has been a very long time since I saw this happen. I keep my main HQ's pretty close to the front.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/23/2008 6:03:47 PM   
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(Actially is there actually possible to have such a fragment for H8K, H6K, Betty, Nell and others? I think not reasonably)


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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/23/2008 8:31:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: doc smith

Thanks to you and herwin for commenting.

I had clear weather on one of the eastern Marshalls islands, island airbase of 4, and an American TF spotted by flying boats at the island and reported as transports and escorts. No apparent a/c there. TF was may 10 hexes away - well within range. As I said, the TF and a few following ones just passed blithely by on a straight line nor'est to sou'west and were not attacked at any point along the line. Should have been a cheap/easy kill!

I WAS ROBBED!


Well, that's why we have save games... at least if you're playing the AI. It's cheating, but if you're only cheating yourself, who cares? Enjoy the game any way you like :)

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/23/2008 11:49:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Barb

How many B-25 versions are in the game?



Uh, B-25B, -C (Dutch/RAAF), -C (strafer), -D (CAF), -G, -H, -J, -J (VVS), -J (strafer), PBJ-1D, -H, -J, F-10, Mitchell II (PR)

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ORIGINAL: Barb

Are there Strafers converions included? If yes at what rate and at what date on?



Enough, beginning Feb '43 .



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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/24/2008 9:08:59 PM   
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I saw the same AAR mentioned by m10bob and there was mention of SNJ Texan. That is a trainer, not a combat plane. I believe this was the context he mentioned.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/24/2008 9:14:02 PM   
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I think you missed my point. I was playing Jap v AI US. My flying boats spotted US TF not far from the Marshalls. I had Bettys available. TF was easily within torpedo range. Nonetheless, when I began the action phase, no air strikes were done and the US TF blithely passed to the SW, staying maybe 8 hexes from Jaluit. They were spotted several times, but no strikes were flown. The Betty group had an experience level in the 80s and no fatigue.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/24/2008 9:34:43 PM   
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Re: B-29 missions: XX Bmbr Cmd (China) made 528 sorties, XXI Bmbr Cmd made 9751 sorties during which they dropped mines in coastal waters of Japan.  Will the B-29s in AE be able to make such sorties?  Overall, that isn't many planes flying that mission; be interesting to see what happens if one ramps that OpTempo up, though. 

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/25/2008 12:19:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: doc smith

Terminus,

I saw the same AAR mentioned by m10bob and there was mention of SNJ Texan. That is a trainer, not a combat plane. I believe this was the context he mentioned.

Doc, the SNJ is in use by a Marine Observation squadron on the west coast. We also have Stearmans in the game equipping a similar unit in the PI.

Termi was referring to the actual plane "type", as in Fighter, DB, TB, Recon. There is no Trainer "type".

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/27/2008 11:54:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not sure if it's been asked in all the pages of AE but is the pilots getting reassigned to pool problem fixed if a unit has more pilots assigned than planes assigned when it comes available. In current version of WITP if a unit has say 24 pilots assigned in the db yet only has 22 planes assigned regardless of readiness of a/c when it comes available the extra pilots are then transferred to pilot pool even though it'll fill out the extra missing planes. This only applies to new units arriving w/ more pilots than planes in the db setup.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/28/2008 8:51:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: doc smith

Anyone,

Re: B-29 missions: XX Bmbr Cmd (China) made 528 sorties, XXI Bmbr Cmd made 9751 sorties during which they dropped mines in coastal waters of Japan.  Will the B-29s in AE be able to make such sorties?  Overall, that isn't many planes flying that mission; be interesting to see what happens if one ramps that OpTempo up, though. 



The airborne mine offensive put paid to the Japanese merchant marine--it was much more effective than the submarine campaign. The game needs to model that.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/28/2008 9:31:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: herwin


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ORIGINAL: doc smith

Anyone,

Re: B-29 missions: XX Bmbr Cmd (China) made 528 sorties, XXI Bmbr Cmd made 9751 sorties during which they dropped mines in coastal waters of Japan.  Will the B-29s in AE be able to make such sorties?  Overall, that isn't many planes flying that mission; be interesting to see what happens if one ramps that OpTempo up, though. 



The airborne mine offensive put paid to the Japanese merchant marine--it was much more effective than the submarine campaign. The game needs to model that.

This was OTS for this iteration. Something like this is even low priority for patch 1.1. Sorry.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/28/2008 10:24:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is one I have not seen asked........when your CV goes down, will the parent go down too like stock, or will the saved fragments actually convert to the parent?

Nice to be able to use another full unit of a/c with good pilots, other than disbanding them into another.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Air War Thread - 12/28/2008 10:54:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: herwin


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ORIGINAL: doc smith

Anyone,

Re: B-29 missions: XX Bmbr Cmd (China) made 528 sorties, XXI Bmbr Cmd made 9751 sorties during which they dropped mines in coastal waters of Japan.  Will the B-29s in AE be able to make such sorties?  Overall, that isn't many planes flying that mission; be interesting to see what happens if one ramps that OpTempo up, though. 



The airborne mine offensive put paid to the Japanese merchant marine--it was much more effective than the submarine campaign. The game needs to model that.


It was only done in the last 3 months of the war. Why? Probably because there wasnt any remaining significant bombing targets for all the planes and it was something for them to do. Prior to 45 the air mining campaign was mostly ineffective (according to the USSBS anyways) because the Japs were clearing the mines as fast as they were laid. Overall impact to the war effort: little more than nil.

The submarine service did at least 5 things that airborne mines cant do: 1) rescue pilots 2) transport UDTs / commandos 3) report shipping movements 4) transport supplies 5) report weather data on future landing targets. Probably a lot more than this but its 5am and its time for bed.

The impact of a torpedo against a ships hull is not the limit to the "effectiveness" of a submarine.

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