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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 12/29/2008 8:21:54 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 12/29/2008 8:24:20 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 12/30/2008 12:51:28 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 12/30/2008 1:06:22 AM   
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Stomach cancer has been called "the Asian cancer", due to its high incidence in that population.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 12/30/2008 1:35:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Chronic fatigue. Then add in sudden wave of dizziness and substernal chest pain and shortness of breath and what you have a heart attack. It could also be an abdominal aortic anuerysm, especially with the abdominal pain. No matter what it is, this is not good.

(And in game terms it could mean the dreaded commander bug. )

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 12/30/2008 2:17:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well did someone really expect a happy end?
I always had the feeling that we would lose at least some characters.
I guess the hardest time has still to come for the ship and our heroes.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 12/30/2008 4:44:23 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 12/30/2008 3:46:47 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 12/30/2008 6:54:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mobeer

I'm hoping this isn't the bug where foreign officers take charge. I don't think Hibiki being commanded by a US Colonel is very appealing


No leader bug has affected Hibiki, I am happy to say.

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ORIGINAL: kaleun

Didn't captain Ishii get transferred to a desk job IRL just about now?


The real Ishii was transferred to a desk job two years ago, in November '42. He died about now. I still don't know of what, though it seems to have been natural causes.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 12/30/2008 11:02:42 PM   
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Location: Tokyo
Course: None
Attached to: Disbanded in port
Mission: None
System Damage: 0
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 475

Orders: None

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“You need to see a doctor, Captain,” says Lieutenant JG Nakagawa as Ishii puts his jacket back on and buttons it. Ishii leans back against the dispensary’s small examination table and crosses his arms.

“I know that,” he says with a touch of irritation. “That’s why I’m here, Lieutenant.”

“Sir, I appreciate the confidence you have in me,” says Nakagawa, “but I mean a real doctor. I am just a ship’s medic. My training before the navy was as a veterinarian. I am good with burns and shrapnel wounds. I can set a broken bone. But the kind of diagnosis you need is beyond my skill. You need to go to the naval hospital.”

“I can’t do that,” says Ishii. Nakagawa gazes at him for a moment, then obviously decides against arguing further with his captain.

“I can think of several things,” he says, “that might be wrong. Frankly, sir, some of them are serious. I will examine your blood and stool samples for clues but what I really need to do is take chest and abdominal x-rays. For that we have to go ashore.”

“We can’t…” begins Ishii, but Nakagawa cuts him off.

“I know, sir,” he says. “But I know a couple of people at the hospital, we might be able to arrange something. Discreetly.”

“Very well,” says Ishii. “See what you can do, Lieutenant.”

“Yes sir. In the meantime, I have a few more questions. You say you have been awakening every night with abdominal pain. What time, specifically?”

“It varies a bit,” says Ishii. “Usually around 0100 hours.”

Nakagawa makes a note. “Have you noticed this pain other times?” he asks.

“At times, though not as bad,” says Ishii. “Usually after eating.” Nakagawa asks a number of other questions and establishes that Ishii has also experienced nausea. Next Nakagawa moves on to the recent chest pain.

“Exactly where does it occur?” he asks.

“Behind or below right about here,” says Ishii. He indicates a spot near the bottom of his breastbone.

“Shortness of breath?” Ishii nods. “Pain or numbness in your left arm or hand?” This time Ishii shakes his head no.

“Do you…” begins Nakagawa, but suddenly there comes a rap at the dispensary door. It opens to reveal one of the ship’s cooks, his right hand wrapped in a towel.

“Lieutenant, I burned my…” begins the sailor, then he catches sight of the captain.

“Captain, sir!” he says and salutes. The effect is almost comical as the towel flaps about when he does so, but the man’s wince of pain removes any humor from the situation.

“At ease,” Ishii tells him. The man gratefully cradles his hand once more. Ishii turns briskly to Nakagawa.

“Well, Lieutenant, your department seems to be in fine shape. Carry on.”

“Yes sir, thank you”, says Nakagawa. “Come here, Itokawa, let’s see that hand.” As the sailor approaches Ishii steps to the door and departs.


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 12/30/2008 11:07:40 PM   
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The real Ishii was transferred to a desk job two years ago, in November '42. He died about now.


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 12/31/2008 3:50:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like somebody needs an endo (don't know if they did those back then).  It'll help a considerably if Ishi elevates his bed by about 18" (actually elevate his upper torso).


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 12/31/2008 5:09:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		A barium swallow X ray was what was used back then. (Actually up to the 80's that was the standard)

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 12/31/2008 1:46:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kaleun

A barium swallow X ray was what was used back then. (Actually up to the 80's that was the standard)



Barium swallow evals are still commonly used today.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 12/31/2008 4:00:19 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 12/31/2008 6:40:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		The pain in the epigastric region could indicate a peptic ulcer. Bad thing about those is they can perforate, releasing stomach contents into the abdominal cavity and the end result is sepsis. Nasty, nasty infection.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 12/31/2008 8:17:25 PM   
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Location: Tokyo
Course: None
Attached to: Disbanded in port
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System Damage: 0
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 475

Orders: None

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Excerpt from "Naval Battles of the Pacific, Volume 8: Breaking the Ring" by Morris Elliot Samuelson; Harper, Row, and Fujimori, New York, 1966:

Following the naval battle of Iwo Jima the war in the Pacific fell into a stalemate that would persist through the end of the year. The Allied fleets tightened their grip on the waters around the island to prevent further Japanese attacks from breaking through, while ashore it would be some time before the marines and infantry on the island began to make significant progress against the determined Japanese defenders.

The stalemate was exacerbated by Admiral Nimitz’s decision, much criticized after the war, to stick with the original plan for the Volcano Islands invasion despite the unexpected problems encountered. As previously mentioned, the original timetable for the invasion of Iwo called for the island to be secured within two weeks. At that time Chichi Jima, thought to be more lightly held, would be invaded. Nimitz refused to call off the scheduled invasion of Chichi Jima, with the result that troops and supplies badly needed at Iwo were tied up in a second conflict. This also had the effect of stretching the air and sea defenses of the invading fleets, with results that we will see in due course.

A second Japanese naval attack was feared, but in retrospect this was unlikely. Following the battle the Combined Fleet was reduced to five battleships; three of these were in the Home Islands and in need of repair, while two (Fuso and Nagato) were in Singapore. The Japanese still possessed significant numbers of cruisers and destroyers, but many of the heavy cruisers remaining were also damaged.

The Japanese carrier arm was also much reduced. As we have seen Junyo and Hiyo, the often-scorned converted liners, had somehow escaped once again and would in fact survive to bedevil the Allies in future operations. Katsuragi was also available, as were two light carriers, but this was not enough of a force to challenge the powerful American carriers with any chance of success.

In the Indian Ocean the British had completed their seizure of the Andaman and Nicobar islands but the Japanese still held the Mandalay Line. In China the casualty lists continued to grow on both sides but no movement of any importance had occurred there in months. As 1944 began to draw to a close a feeling of frustration was growing among the Americans and British, both at home and on the front lines. The final defeat of Japan seemed no closer than it had several months ago…


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 12/31/2008 10:44:30 PM   
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This also had the effect of stretching the air and sea defenses of the invading fleets, with results that we will see in due course.

A second Japanese naval attack was feared, but in retrospect this was unlikely. Following the battle the Combined Fleet was reduced to five battleships; three of these were in the Home Islands and in need of repair, while two (Fuso and Nagato) were in Singapore. The Japanese still possessed significant numbers of cruisers and destroyers, but many of the heavy cruisers remaining were also damaged.

The Japanese carrier arm was also much reduced. As we have seen Junyo and Hiyo, the often-scorned converted liners, had somehow escaped once again and would in fact survive to bedevil the Allies in future operations.


Sounds like a hit-and-run carrier raid is in the future . . .

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 12/31/2008 11:55:52 PM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 1/1/2009 5:47:34 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 1/1/2009 11:05:14 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 1/1/2009 11:44:48 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 1/3/2009 1:02:44 AM   
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I think that CF not only has spun a riveting yarn, but has also managed to play an excellent game as the Japanese to be in the current position (that I suspect) as '45 rolls in.


I don't talk about the game as a game much in this rather strange AAR but I will break that rule long enough to make one observation, mostly because it's a fact I'm rather proud of. I don't imagine there have been a lot of WitP PBEMs where this is the case: as of January 1, 1945 I was still not able to use kamikazes.

That said, I am currently discovering what Pzb and others have discovered before me: no matter how well the Japanese player does in the first three years of the war, 1945 is going to suck.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 1/3/2009 1:05:41 AM   
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Location: Tokyo
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Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 475

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Nakagawa goes to the Captain Ishii’s cabin to present him with his diagnosis. The x-rays he succeeded in taking left little doubt as to what was ailing his captain, though Nakagawa confirmed his suspicions with friends in the medical field.

While by all rights he ought to be relieved Ishii does not at first take the news especially well.

“No drinking!” he exclaims.

Nakagawa shakes his head. “No alcohol at all, sir,” he says. “You should also avoid strong, hot tea. I know it may be difficult to find but you should instead drink as much milk as possible. At the very least have a glass before going to bed.”

“Milk is for babies!” says the captain.

“It is also for naval captains with a perforating ulcer,” says Nakagawa firmly. “And I am serious about taking two weeks leave, Captain. You need to get away from this ship and relax as much as possible.”

“Two weeks,” mutters Ishii, shaking his head. “That is not possible.”

“The captain is of course free to ignore my recommendations,” says Nakagawa formally. “But sir, if you do I promise you that you will end up in the hospital within a month. If you do as I suggest there is a good chance you might remain on your feet and in command until the end of the war.”

In the end Captain Ishii sees that he has no choice and agrees. Nakagawa gives him other advice to follow, including a diet of bland, mushy food and elevating his torso slightly when he sleeps.

“If this doesn’t work, sir,” Nakagawa concludes, “the only real treatment is to remove the ulcer surgically. That procedure frequently has complications, so let us try to avoid it.”

“By all means!” says Ishii. He sighs. “Thank you, Lieutenant, for your help and your discretion.” He shakes his head ruefully. “No matter how much of a warrior one is there is always one foe that beats you in the end, Nakagawa. Old age.”

“You are not an old man yet, Captain,” he says. Ishii is 45 years old.

“No?” says Ishii. “It feels like it, some days.”

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 1/3/2009 2:23:25 AM   
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Wasn't powdered milk the norm (for civilian and military alike) in the US?

And would they drink cow's milk (given their scarcity in Japan), or goat or what?  Given that much of the protein in Japanese diet is from fish and soy?

Just wondering.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 1/3/2009 4:01:39 AM   
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Milk is awful for ulcers. Most ulcers are caused by a bacteria which cannot abide capsicum. Hot peppers is what he needs.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 1/3/2009 4:26:00 AM   
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Milk is awful for ulcers. Most ulcers are caused by a bacteria which cannot abide capsicum. Hot peppers is what he needs.


The bacterial origin of ulcers wasn't discovered until long after World War II, sadly for Captain Ishii. Milk was a standard prescription back then.

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And would they drink cow's milk (given their scarcity in Japan), or goat or what? Given that much of the protein in Japanese diet is from fish and soy?


I think Nakagawa and Ishii are almost certainly talking about goat's milk; you are correct, cow's milk would be almost impossible to get.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 1/3/2009 4:33:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		The assumption of milk for ulcer treatment is because it's a base which would theoretically counter the alkaline of stomach acid.  As indicated, ulcers are bacterial in nature; and also pointed out, this wasn't known in the 1940s.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 1/3/2009 5:18:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		With all the stress he is under, it is no surprise.

The milk will do a little to reduce the burning and discomfort of the acid, but not much for the actual problem.

And no, Pepto Bismol won't work either.

In these modern times, ulcers can be relatively easily treated with a regimen of anti-biotics.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - 1/3/2009 1:45:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Feinder

The assumption of milk for ulcer treatment is because it's a base which would theoretically counter the alkaline of stomach acid.  As indicated, ulcers are bacterial in nature; and also pointed out, this wasn't known in the 1940s.

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Not all ulcers are caused by bacteria. I have had them and there is no bacteria present. Mine are purely stress related and are treated by reducing the amount of stomach acid I produce through diet and medication.


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