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What I believe!! Certainly no Nomad. - 1/20/2009 10:55:11 PM

heenanc

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Stategy Bombing...

I think people are trying to defend against the wrong thing later in the game. I've seen Japan players struggle endlessly in the later war game trying to keep hold of the oil regions Java, Borneo, and the other small regions where oil lies in the game.

However as much as oil is important in the game I feel that if you have a good start and stay away from the game of attrition (no air fights apart from Burma) and get what you need early on.... (I haven't in my game but intend to) I think that you could stock pile enough early in 41/42/43 while you are strong sacrifice a few CV's + extras maybe even a BB. Then you could store enough oil for the later war periods (44+45).

Take a small garrison of the oil regions but protect yourself from Heavy bomber in all accounts (Wake, Saipan, P.I. parts of China, a ring of defense. e.c.t.) if you gave less to each other region (think of how much you need in Burma) then you could add 2 division to each of these points with air support art and extra supplies which is what counts the most you could make strategy bombing really difficuilt which is where the points are made later in the game for Allies.

I know people don't play for points but in the real world this way you are actually protecting Japan from a air offensive which is a case for how in some way the points system works (I know it doesn't in many other factors).

You could start this plan as soon as you though you had enough oil to survive to 45 maybe as early as 43. (this is a a historical tactic)

I've editted this a few time but what I'm saying is after 43 only the ring of defense counts and maybe if this is the tactic Japan actually used during the war then they may have had a better chance. (although I'm no historian and have no data or graphs to back up my arguement, just using logic which may be flawed...((less space to defend more chance of a defence)) don't sacrific me if it is, just give your opinion)

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RE: What I believe!! Certainly no Nomad. - 1/20/2009 11:03:48 PM

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I played Japan through 1945 in a PBEM and I can tell you that oil and industry are nothing to worry about. By the time you run out of oil you have so many accumulated HI points that your industry keeps running. It really doesn't have to because you also have tons of stockpiled arms and planes.

The only things you run short of are fuel and supplies. Fuel is no problem snce you have no fleet but supplies can be an issue. I ran low but nevr ran out.

Japan can not be defeated through a merely economic offensive.

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RE: What I believe!! Certainly no Nomad. - 1/20/2009 11:18:48 PM

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Although supplies are generated through resources (and oil) which are plenty full on the home islands (not oil) by which can I assume would alway be there in sufficent amounts (if�you weren't being pounded�every other day via air attack)?

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RE: What I believe!! Certainly no Nomad. - 1/20/2009 11:22:03 PM

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Once the Allies start bombing the Home Islands your supply sources dry up quickly. The only good thing is that once you have lost your air force, the supply requirements for LCUs are pretty low.

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RE: What I believe!! Certainly no Nomad. - 1/20/2009 11:31:11 PM

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But if you never bothered defending anything apart from the ring of steel (the defence against strategy bombing)�you would be able to add to the ring of steel the troops/ships/air planes (keeping your trainning in china/PI) from burma(you could add a tonne from here), malaya, java, bornio, sumartra, rabaul, south pacific central china e.c.t. that would make a solid defence in the ring if situated correctly.... may even last till the end.

Compact air power with mobile CV and surface craft (BB, CA, CL, DD) under a small territory which you could command with force.

Every one know Japan can't defend everything.... why not just defend what you need?

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RE: What I believe!! Certainly no Nomad. - 1/22/2009 1:35:40 AM

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If the Allies are quite possibly strong enough to take the home islands, I don't know that any ring of defences will be enough to save Japan. A quarter million men landing on Iwo is quite likely to take it no matter what the situation. Lets face it, the Allies can afford to lose a lot, and they are also quite able to smash through almost any Japanese defences late war.

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RE: What I believe!! Certainly no Nomad. - 1/22/2009 1:55:16 AM

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I think PZB has held Iwo against 250,000 troops........it can be done. Fort 9 with 2000AV or more is hard to overcome if they have the supplies.

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RE: What I believe!! Certainly no Nomad. - 1/22/2009 2:52:51 PM

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Iwo can be held, I agree. The Allies need to take only a few bases to reach Iwo (Midway, Wake, maybe Marcus Is.), but they all cause the same problem: They are far away from anything else, the Allies have to protect every convoy with CVs only. And they have to keep away Japanese shipping with CVs only. If Japan defends here in strength, the US carrier arm can be overstressed. They get large, but still finite amounts of pilots and Hellcats. If the war is Japan vs. USN only, then Japan will win the war of attrition. That's how PzB held Iwo - the USN had already seen several tough fights (e.g. in a failed campaign against the Marianas), and they simply ran out of Hellcats.

But if the Allies do the detour via Molucca Islands, Celebes, Borneo, PI, you can not let them go and then stop them with a steel wall at some point. If one base is very strong, they can close the airfield with infinite amounts of LBA. In the meantime they just capture another base and bypass the strongpoint. There is no way to attrit the Allied LBA. USAAF alone is more robust than USN - and there are USMC, Australia, New Zealand etc, too.

You can only do delaying action here. You neeed LCUs everywhere. The Allies must not get anything for free. Each step must be a contestet landing followed by a ground struggle, which ties up LCUs and requires extended rests for them afterwards. Of course this requires quite a number of LCUs for Japan, but it buys time.

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