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Just had to show this - 1/22/2009 12:44:27 PM

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/22/2009 1:16:40 PM

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I thought the Prince of Wales was attacked by Nells? Nice painting.

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/22/2009 1:23:21 PM

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Nells and Bettys if i am not mistaken

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/22/2009 1:40:52 PM

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I hate her

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/22/2009 1:55:34 PM

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The Genzan and Mihoro Kokutais attacked with G3M's, supported by Kanoya Kokutai with G4Ms.

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/22/2009 2:05:38 PM

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Mmm, nice picture...

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I suggest that this Hamaki is a member of the Kanoya Ku's 2nd or 3rd shotai which attacked Repulse, the 1st having dropped against Prince of Wales.

The picture seems to depict the Type 91 Mod 2 torpedo, as carried by the Kanoya aircraft. Interesting that the weapon being dropped appears to carry a fin extension similar to that required in the shallow waters of Pearl Harbor. Anyone know whether the torpedoes used in the Force Z attack were, in fact, so fitted?

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/22/2009 3:02:22 PM

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Shoot it down, quick !

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/22/2009 6:20:51 PM

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....and it is sure to hit, (if like in vanilla)

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/22/2009 7:14:54 PM

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Very Nice Picture...

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/22/2009 7:30:15 PM

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Is this a drawing a paint over a picture like many that exist? if that so i would like know the original picture. I see for example that G4 doesn't have correctly the bomb bay doors.

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/22/2009 9:12:17 PM

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Nasssty little plane.... We hatessss it!

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/22/2009 9:23:31 PM

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No friend to the G4M.

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/22/2009 9:56:14 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Local Yokel

Mmm, nice picture...

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ORIGINAL: cantona2

I hate her

For cause

I suggest that this Hamaki is a member of the Kanoya Ku's 2nd or 3rd shotai which attacked Repulse, the 1st having dropped against Prince of Wales.

The picture seems to depict the Type 91 Mod 2 torpedo, as carried by the Kanoya aircraft. Interesting that the weapon being dropped appears to carry a fin extension similar to that required in the shallow waters of Pearl Harbor. Anyone know whether the torpedoes used in the Force Z attack were, in fact, so fitted?

Why would they be?

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/22/2009 10:46:14 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Local Yokel

Mmm, nice picture...

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ORIGINAL: cantona2

I hate her

For cause

I suggest that this Hamaki is a member of the Kanoya Ku's 2nd or 3rd shotai which attacked Repulse, the 1st having dropped against Prince of Wales.

The picture seems to depict the Type 91 Mod 2 torpedo, as carried by the Kanoya aircraft. Interesting that the weapon being dropped appears to carry a fin extension similar to that required in the shallow waters of Pearl Harbor. Anyone know whether the torpedoes used in the Force Z attack were, in fact, so fitted?

Thanks for the info. I didn't realize Betties were involved in the sinking.

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/22/2009 11:00:21 PM

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M10bob now owes me a new monitor because I punched a hole in mine where that stupid image was

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/22/2009 11:49:11 PM

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Nasssty little plane.... We hatessss it!�

That's Precious...

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/23/2009 12:26:44 AM

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quote:

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Nasssty little plane.... We hatessss it!�

I had a friend (he recently passed away) who would definately agree with you! One sank his 1st ship (USS Braine , a DD off Guadacanal). He wasn't entirely certain what the Kamikazes were that got his 2nd (USS Bismarck Sea). H e once told me he would never date a woman named "Betty".

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/23/2009 12:33:08 AM

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quote:

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The picture seems to depict the Type 91 Mod 2 torpedo, as carried by the Kanoya aircraft. Interesting that the weapon being dropped appears to carry a fin extension similar to that required in the shallow waters of Pearl Harbor. Anyone know whether the torpedoes used in the Force Z attack were, in fact, so fitted?

Why would they be?

Good question. I can think of no good reason for the extensions to be fitted, but one is so prominent in the picture that I wondered whether the artist was privy to information that they had been attached for this attack.

It crossed my mind that the crews might have been anxious to make sure the weapons recovered to running depth quickly because they intended to press closely before release. According to the account I have read, at least one 1st shotai pilot closed to a range of 500 yards from PoW before making his drop, in order to make quite sure of a hit. I take that with a pinch of salt, because I understand the Type 91 had to run 600 metres in order to arm correctly. However, a concern that the weapon might run beneath the target if not fitted with the extension, could, I suppose have led to them being fitted.

Then again, the extensions were such a last minute development that they scarcely had enough available for the Hawaii operation, let alone for the Indo-China based land attack units. Maybe the artist just got this wrong.

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/23/2009 1:38:34 AM

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The next question would be, "How many, which of the squadrons were equipped with torps?" As I recall, about half the bombers were carrying bombs, not torps (never see that in WitP!). But that would help narrow your identification, if you knew which squadrons were carrying bombs.

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/23/2009 2:09:03 AM

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Ahh, my new desktop image!

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/23/2009 7:53:27 AM

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quote:

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Nasssty little plane.... We hatessss it!�

Day Air attack on TF, near Derby at 24,85

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 24
G3M Nell x 19
G4M1 Betty x 18
G4M2 Betty x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 3 destroyed, 13 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 14 damaged
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Nevada, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CA Canberra
BB Oklahoma, Torpedo hits 1
CL Perth

Nasssty, sssneaky little airplanessss! We hatessss them!

Uhhh... LRCAPed the wrong TF!

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/23/2009 1:52:23 PM

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Ohh.. I have something special for Miss Betty....

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/23/2009 11:37:51 PM

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Is that a test model aircraft? Note the small strings on wings.
Or is it my eyes deceiving me???

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/23/2009 11:47:06 PM

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Awesome artwork

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/24/2009 12:15:14 AM

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Betty's favorite resting place:

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/24/2009 4:24:17 AM

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What a great way to start a new year... 1/1/1944

quote:

quote:

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

Nasssty little plane.... We hatessss it!

Day Air attack on TF, near Derby at 24,85

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 24
G3M Nell x 19
G4M1 Betty x 18
G4M2 Betty x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 3 destroyed, 13 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 14 damaged
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Nevada, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CA Canberra
BB Oklahoma, Torpedo hits 1
CL Perth

Nasssty, sssneaky little airplanessss! We hatessss them!

Uhhh... LRCAPed the wrong TF!

I think this may well be the last time my "precioussssss" Bettys and Nells have something to gloat about!

Chez

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/24/2009 5:15:24 AM

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Awesome artwork

Where did this picture come from? What is the link/site?

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/24/2009 5:45:40 AM

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Where did this picture come from? What is the link/site?

It looks like art from the top of a model airplane box.

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RE: Just had to show this - 1/24/2009 6:09:55 AM

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G4 doesn't have correctly the bomb bay doors.

Early models of the "Betty" did not have normal bomb bay doors. The early versions were removed on the ground prior to ordnance bearing missions (according to some sources the early door(s) were even removed prior to departure from the homeland!). More of a "bomb bay cover" than a "door". Later versions of Betty had regular bomb bay doors.