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ORIGINAL: HistoryGuy

I found an interesting memorandum dated April 1941 which listed the exact breakout (but I confess that I did not check the Adjutant General's Dept math) of the 12,000 Philippine Scout enlisted personnel authorizations:

War Department Memorandum dated 12 April 1941

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45th Infantry – 2162 enlisted (T/O 7-11 dtd 10-1-40)
57th Infantry – 2162 enlisted (T/O 7-11 dtd 10-1-40)

1st Bn 43d Inf – 315 enlisted (T/O 7-16, 7-17 dtd 10-1-40)
(Bn Hq Det, and Cos A, B, C, and E)
Remarks: Bn consists of infantry now assigned to Camp John Hay and Pettit Barracks, former 45th Infantry units.

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ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

Just a thought Don.  The Philippine Scouts official TO&E would be made up to the numbers that the US Congress authorized and was willing to pay for, which undoubtedly are the numbers indicated in the 12 April, 1941 document above.  But with the pressures of expanding the Philippine Army during 1941, MacArthur & Co would have been crazy not to fill up these "seasoned units" with the some of the manpower coming in.   I've never seen a reference one way or another (and being "crazy" was not out of the question for Mac), but it might be a place for any descrepancies between "official" and "actual" TO&E numbers.

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ORIGINAL: HistoryGuy

"The USAFFE forces on the islands south of Luzon were composed almost entirely of PA troops (including a PC regiment). Other than commanders and staff officers, the major U.S. Army force on the southern islands consisted of two (sic?) companies of the 43d Infantry, Philippine Scouts.

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I also found a list of PA commanders which differs slightly from my earlier post (wish I had located this report sooner as it would have saved me about twelve hours of looking through "The Last Ditch" and other publications)

1st Philippine Division (BG F.V. Sequndo)
1st Infantry - MAJ A.M. Santos, MAJ McCollum, COL K.L. Berry
2d Infantry - COL C. Duque (PA)
3d Infantry - COL K.L Berry

2d Division (MG G.B. Francisco) (PA)
1st PC Regiment - LTC I. Alexander
2d PC Regiment -
4th PC Regiment -

91st Division - BG L. Stevens
91st Infantry -
92d Infantry - LTC J.H. Rodman
2/92 - MAJ J.B. Crow
93d Infantry - MAJ J.C. Goldtrap
1/93 - MAJ Hoyt
2/93 - CPT Finigan
3/93 - CPT Burlando

101st Division - BG J.P. Vacon
101st Infantry - LTC R.J. Nelson, LTC J.H. McGee
2/101 - LTC R.B. Hilsman
102d Infantry -
2/102 - LTC R. Graves; MAJ H.W. Baldwin
103 Infantry - MAJ J.R. Webb
101st FA (Infantry) - LTC R. Graves

84th Infantry (Non-Divisional)
2/84 - CPT Childress
3/84 - MAJ McLish

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

This question may have been covered previously, but I'm playing against the AI to try some things while I try to patiently wait for AE. 

I had retreated down the Malaya peninsula with 6 Bde holding at Kuala Lumpur and another 6 Bde at the mtn hex due east from it (Andrew's extended map). The AI had gotten smart and sent troops down to Kuantan and were following the coastal road towards Mersing. Thus, I was forces to retreat before I wanted too. To help the AI, I was playing two day turns. On the first day, all the LCUs from the mtn hex had left and a few were left at Kuala Lumpur. Thankfully, on the second day, the AI did not get the Japanese LCU's into the hex that was retreated into the day before. I still had LCU's in it when the last of the troops had retreated from Kuala Lumpur.

With the ZOC changing from hexes to hexside in AE, would the LCUs at Kuala Lumpur move from a contested hex to another hex that "may" have been contested by the Japanese LCUs moving in during the same movement phase?? Like in baseball, does a tie go to the runner, with the Allied LCUs allowed to retreat into a hex already under Allied control??

It didn't actually happen in the game, but it got me to wonder about this happening in AE.

Thanks, in advance!!

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ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

This question may have been covered previously, but I'm playing against the AI to try some things while I try to patiently wait for AE. 

I had retreated down the Malaya peninsula with 6 Bde holding at Kuala Lumpur and another 6 Bde at the mtn hex due east from it (Andrew's extended map). The AI had gotten smart and sent troops down to Kuantan and were following the coastal road towards Mersing. Thus, I was forces to retreat before I wanted too. To help the AI, I was playing two day turns. On the first day, all the LCUs from the mtn hex had left and a few were left at Kuala Lumpur. Thankfully, on the second day, the AI did not get the Japanese LCU's into the hex that was retreated into the day before. I still had LCU's in it when the last of the troops had retreated from Kuala Lumpur.

With the ZOC changing from hexes to hexside in AE, would the LCUs at Kuala Lumpur move from a contested hex to another hex that "may" have been contested by the Japanese LCUs moving in during the same movement phase?? Like in baseball, does a tie go to the runner, with the Allied LCUs allowed to retreat into a hex already under Allied control??

It didn't actually happen in the game, but it got me to wonder about this happening in AE.

Thanks, in advance!!

I could be wrong on this but I believe a contested hex to contested hex move IS allowed as long as you control the hexside.

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You can always leave a hex across a hexside that you control but not one that you do not control...even to enter an enemy occupied hex. The catch is you will only control one hexside in the newly entered hex - ie the one you crossed to enter the hex.

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

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You can always leave a hex across a hexside that you control but not one that you do not control...even to enter an enemy occupied hex. The catch is you will only control one hexside in the newly entered hex - ie the one you crossed to enter the hex.

Will there be a default setting at game start?? I always hated that I could not retreat into a hex that was in "MY" country when the war began. When I click on the "W" key in WitP now, I get only those hexes that have my sides bases in it, not throughout the country side. All of Malaya should have an "A" in it on 7 Dec 41.

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ORIGINAL: treespider

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

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You can always leave a hex across a hexside that you control but not one that you do not control...even to enter an enemy occupied hex. The catch is you will only control one hexside in the newly entered hex - ie the one you crossed to enter the hex.

Will there be a default setting at game start?? I always hated that I could not retreat into a hex that was in "MY" country when the war began. When I click on the "W" key in WitP now, I get only those hexes that have my sides bases in it, not throughout the country side. All of Malaya should have an "A" in it on 7 Dec 41.

So long as the other side does not control the hexside your retreating across to exit the hex you can retreat.

Remember a hexside is not a single entity. A hex as six hexsides. So between two hexes are actually two hexsides - one for each hex.

Picture the following two hexes - ( A ) ( B ) The parens are the hexsides between the two hexes. If the Allies are in hex A the control is expressed as follows ( A ) ( B )

If the Japanese happen to be in hex B the control is as follows - ( A ) ( B )

If a Japanese unit moves into A from B then you will see - ( A ) ( B )

So any Allied units could still leave the hex through the left side but they are prevented from moving through the right side into B until they kick the Japanese from A. Likewise the Japanese can exit A through the right side but not the left until they kick the Allies out of A.

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ORIGINAL: drw61

So... If I have one unit come into the hex from the north and a second unit come in from the NE i will have two retreat paths from the hex because I control two sides of the hex? 

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ORIGINAL: Bogo Mil

Well, I try to think in 2 dimensions - it's hard to do this in AsCII art, but I'll try. Hexes are too difficult, thus I use squares:

Situation 1:
The Japs just entered E from the east:

A || B || C
--+---+---
--+---+---
D || EE|| F
--+---+---
--+---+---
G || H || I

Now, the Allies enter F from the north, which leads to situation 2:

A || B || C
--+---+---
--+---+---
D || EE|| FF
--+---+---
--+---+---
G || H || I

The Allies win the battle in F. Now we have a quite strange situation 3:

A || B || C
--+---+---
--+---+---
D || EE|| F
--+---+---
--+---+---
G || H || I

The Japanese army in E is now cut off, even though they are adjadent to a friendly hex! But they can reopen this strange cauldron immediately, if they send a tiny fragment from H to E.

Did I understand it correctly? Is this behavior really intentional?

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ORIGINAL: Bogo Mil

Well, I try to think in 2 dimensions - it's hard to do this in AsCII art, but I'll try. Hexes are too difficult, thus I use squares:

Situation 1:
The Japs just entered E from the east:

A || B || C
--+---+---
--+---+---
D || EE|| F
--+---+---
--+---+---
G || H || I

Now, the Allies enter F from the north, which leads to situation 2:

A || B || C
--+---+---
--+---+---
D || EE|| FF
--+---+---
--+---+---
G || H || I

The Allies win the battle in F. Now we have a quite strange situation 3:

A || B || C
--+---+---
--+---+---
D || EE|| F
--+---+---
--+---+---
G || H || I

The Japanese army in E is now cut off, even though they are adjadent to a friendly hex! But they can reopen this strange cauldron immediately, if they send a tiny fragment from H to E.

Did I understand it correctly? Is this behavior really intentional?

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: Bogo Mil

Well, I try to think in 2 dimensions - it's hard to do this in AsCII art, but I'll try. Hexes are too difficult, thus I use squares:

Situation 1:
The Japs just entered E from the east:

A || B || C
--+---+---
--+---+---
D || EE|| F
--+---+---
--+---+---
G || H || I

Now, the Allies enter F from the north, which leads to situation 2:

A || B || C
--+---+---
--+---+---
D || EE|| FF
--+---+---
--+---+---
G || H || I

The Allies win the battle in F. Now we have a quite strange situation 3:

A || B || C
--+---+---
--+---+---
D || EE|| F
--+---+---
--+---+---
G || H || I

The Japanese army in E is now cut off, even though they are adjadent to a friendly hex! But they can reopen this strange cauldron immediately, if they send a tiny fragment from H to E.

Did I understand it correctly? Is this behavior really intentional?

...Which sounds like a decent little emulation of a unit being cut off and needing a friendly unit to help open a corridor for it to fight it's way out, given that the hex is 40 miles (not, say, 5 or 10).

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I would like to point out that this also illustrates that a unit can be cut off by being surrounded only one deep by enemy units. Sure, it can retreat from the original hex (if it was the original owner), but once in any of the adjacent hexes it will only be able to retreat back to the original hex! Of course, the act of retreating back and forth they would continue to hammer the trapped unit quite badly.

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I realize that neither of these situations might be ideal, but I suspect in practice they will work out pretty well. Certainly should be far better than vanilla stock.