Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

I might jump in here and point out that the effective "training system" is vastly different from stock.

In stock, in most of my games, the Allies didn't bother to "train" their pilots, since relatively speaking they already come in trained. On the other hand the Japanese (I've always played Japanese in my stock PBEM games) are always busy "training" their pilots. Typically this means "bombing" a dot you carefully didn't capture, some where deep in your own rear area, like near Java or the PI. In stock, I would "cycle" my air units to the front - use them there for a few days or weeks - then once they had been battered - I would send them to the rear - switch their planes to Nates or Oscars and "bomb" until I got to my release EXP level - usually 75 or 80 - and then switch to "front line" planes like Tony or Tojo and then return the unit to the front. A full cycle was several months - and typically only about a third - of say the IJA fighter force could be fighting "at the front" at a given moment.

Well, all this is different in AE. In AE, you can't much effectively bomb dots - especially if you are a fighter - because it will not help you one bit.

But, you can set you fighter unit to train on the "escort" mission which will help it be better at "air to air" combat. I've tried Allied fighter units up from EXP 30s to EXP 50s in a couple of months - and you can train up to about 70 via this method - on the skill in question. You can also train on "general skill" and affect all your skill ratings over time - but now we're talking much longer. Probably a year - to train up to 70 across the board.

So the "training" mission and related settings are key activities in AE and you will spend a LOT of time working with this. Roughly as much time as you Japanese players spent adjusting your units bombing the dots in stock.

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I know you guys have covered the whole concept of witdrawing units on a historical basic but this one puzzles me. The unit in question will be off the map for potentially just three months. I know you are trying to have as historically accurate an OOB as possible but this seems to be over the edge a bit. Is there something else going on here beyond what appears to be self evident?

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ORIGINAL: Cathartes

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I know you guys have covered the whole concept of witdrawing units on a historical basic but this one puzzles me. The unit in question will be off the map for potentially just three months. I know you are trying to have as historically accurate an OOB as possible but this seems to be over the edge a bit. Is there something else going on here beyond what appears to be self evident?

I'm not a an expert on the air OOB, but if you and/or your opponent would rather not bother with unit withdrawals, there is a way around it:

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Just a few questions to make sure I've understood this correctly.
1/ Depending on what type of training you choose, the air unit will eventually gain a "Major skill" as shown in the red box of the screen shot below?
2/ I saw on Jrcar's sreenshot of the Zero with drop tanks that it had the Major skills of 'Air, Strafing, Defensive'. To what kind of training do these kind of major skills correspond? How many major skills are there?

Cheers - Grollub

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Does the (R) in West Coast(R) mean restricted?

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ORIGINAL: jrcar

Here is a screen shot of that Zero unit earlier, showing all the possible skills and what the pilots have in that skill.

The Skills are determined by code at the moment, based on on the base unit experiance and the TYPE of aircraft that the unit has at start (Ie a unit with a fighter class aircarft will have higher fighter type skills).

There is discussion at the moment on allowing these to be editable in the future ( a HUGE job in code and for the OOB designer...), won't be in the first release, and another discussion on tweaking how the skills are calculated (in particular in regards to search and ASW skills).

This is another of those complex problems that require complex soloutions e.g a fighter shouldn't have a high "search" skill compared to a trained Naval searcher... but has to have some skill 'cause fighters (like Buffaloes early war) WERE used to search out ships, and if they do overfly a TF they would see it... so what is high, what is high enough... etc.

This game, which we should be starting VERY soon has the latest tweaks in place.

Cheers

Rob

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ORIGINAL: vettim89


Of course there should be some level of cross training. The B-17's out of Oahu for example were largely used for Naval Search early in the war. My only concern is how high is too high. By that I mean where does the line come where using aircraft for a non-design purpose becomes futile enough to deter all but the most desperate of players. For example, at Coral Sea, the fighter groups were depleted enough that SBD's were flown as anti-torpedo bomber CAP. That was a desperate situation and one would think the fighter skills would be low enough in the VS/VB sq to deter such use as a standard tactic. As an AFB, we all dread Helens on ASW patrol. Please make the Army bombers ASW exp low enough so that at least the JFB's would have to spend time training these units up before they could use them as such. Only play testing will tell.

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ORIGINAL: jrcar


The only "house rule" is if you move outside of a ground theatre (like Manuchia) then you have to pay PP's. Really only applies in Manchuria and India.

Cathartes can change airgroup orders, ships already in TF and forces in China.

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

With machine guns. They do it that way in Russia as well today...

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ORIGINAL: jrcar

Ok I'll post some screen shots of interesting new units.

The first are "Shipping Regiments".

The Naval support helps in unloading.

The engineers in building ports/aflds.

This one is in a restricted command, I can pay PP's to move it out like in stock, as the "Attached to" is in yellow text.

If the "Attached to" was in white text then I can never move them (This applies to airgroups as well).

This feature helps to tie units down that historically didn't move, while allowing those that did, or realistically could have, to move into a different theatre.

Created by the amazing Dixie

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ORIGINAL: jrcar

Look at where I have circled in Yellow, this allows you to increase the supply demand for the base (and decrease it if it is above wht is required). This allows you to "draw" more supply to this base, so you can replace aircraft, fix damaged industry etc etc. It is a very useful and effective tool!

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ORIGINAL: jrcar

Started getting resources and oil moving.

Created by the amazing Dixie

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: jrcar

Look at where I have circled in Yellow, this allows you to increase the supply demand for the base (and decrease it if it is above wht is required). This allows you to "draw" more supply to this base, so you can replace aircraft, fix damaged industry etc etc. It is a very useful and effective tool!

There are no 'decrease' buttons there, only the increase buttons. Will decrease buttons appear when above some minimum level?

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ORIGINAL: vettim89

I know you guys have covered the whole concept of witdrawing units on a historical basic but this one puzzles me. The unit in question will be off the map for potentially just three months. I know you are trying to have as historically accurate an OOB as possible but this seems to be over the edge a bit. Is there something else going on here beyond what appears to be self evident?

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ORIGINAL: pad152

Is there some sort of reporting telling you what is withdrawing and when?

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ORIGINAL: pad152

When units return, do they show up at the same place where they were withdrawn from?

Where's the Any key?

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ORIGINAL: timtom

To put it differently, vanilla WitP overstates the actual USN & USMC force levels in the order of 100%.

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ORIGINAL: timtom

To put it differently, vanilla WitP overstates the actual USN & USMC force levels in the order of 100%.

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Simply put, both the USN and USMC operated a system of unit tours lasting 6-12 months or so in general. This in contrast to fx the AAF who kept units in the field for the duration while rotating individuals rather than units. Upon completion of its tour, a unit was disbanded. Typically a new unit with the same numberical designation was activated in the rear. This new unit might recycle some of the assets of its predecessor, but was for all practical purposes an entirely separate unit. In the case of VP-44, it returned to CONUS in June '43 and was disbanded. Reformed in September and training at NAS San Diego until January '44 before transpac'ing to Hawaii following by one month of training, then on to Luganville for another two months on-the-job training. The sqd didn't actually deploy to the combat zone until a full year after its predecessor organisation had left it. This second incarnation of VP-44 returned to CONUS in April '45, disbanded but not reformed.

To put it differently, vanilla WitP overstates the actual USN & USMC force levels in the order of 100%.

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ORIGINAL: timtom


Simply put, both the USN and USMC operated a system of unit tours lasting 6-12 months or so in general. This in contrast to fx the AAF who kept units in the field for the duration while rotating individuals rather than units. Upon completion of its tour, a unit was disbanded. Typically a new unit with the same numberical designation was activated in the rear. This new unit might recycle some of the assets of its predecessor, but was for all practical purposes an entirely separate unit. In the case of VP-44, it returned to CONUS in June '43 and was disbanded. Reformed in September and training at NAS San Diego until January '44 before transpac'ing to Hawaii following by one month of training, then on to Luganville for another two months on-the-job training. The sqd didn't actually deploy to the combat zone until a full year after its predecessor organisation had left it. This second incarnation of VP-44 returned to CONUS in April '45, disbanded but not reformed.

To put it differently, vanilla WitP overstates the actual USN & USMC force levels in the order of 100%.