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With all due respect.................. - 2/17/2009 1:04:50 AM

Platoon_Michael

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Where the heck is the next patch?

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/17/2009 2:04:54 AM

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Matrix are on holidays.. I beieve it will be made available when they get back.

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/17/2009 2:37:06 AM

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Perhaps Andrew, if it is not too much trouble, you could check with them tomorrow and provide us with an update on when we might expect to see the patch?

thanks,

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/17/2009 8:54:44 AM

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Holiday?

Can we atleast get info on whats in this patch?

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/17/2009 10:23:35 AM

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This is most of it
�� Features and Enhancements
o�� CC4 Classic main screen revised
o�� Hetzer now has remote mg not coaxial
o�� SS/and FJ now have their own uniforms and ranks
o�� Tank crews wear Panzer Black
o�� Improved bridge crossing
o�� Corrected spelling for Fuhrer Begleit Brigade
o�� Revised FP for FBB
o�� New Grille graphic
o�� New wrecks
o�� Weapons file now has M1 and M1A1 carbine for regular inf. and paras
o�� New 75mm gun so tank guns aren't shared
o�� Weapons penetration data and vehicle armor revised.
o�� HE explosive effects revised
o Weapons and vehicle data revised
o�� Aircraft MG's now have small explosion graphic so you can see where the strafe
o�� Elements file altered so there is less chance of getting tracked or breaking a wheel. (you will still have to be very lucky if you can drive through a forest unscathed)
o�� Smoke burn time extended
o�� Pathfinding over bridges (of all types) improved
o�� Changed the way BG reinforcements work - Original code = Existing FP was reset to whatever the base FP was for that date in the Fpools file. New method = Team quantity is set to the higher of the base FP or the existing FP. Team types in the base FP but not in the existing FP are also added to the existing FP
o�� Display frame rate capped to reduce video card load on certain systems.
o�� AT gun crews now less likely to engage non-vehicle targets when under a DEFEND order.
o�� Fixed: Halftracks and armored cars were not being used properly by the AI to fill out a BG when primary units were depleted.
o�� The REINFORCE button on the Battle Group screen is now enabled only if the new FP would give you more units than the current FP
o�� BGLEADERPIC now shown on the Battle Group screen if you're running the game with the /D option (i.e. CC4 Classic) Showing correctly
o�� Strategic Screen scroll speed reduced.
o�� Being able to trace a supply line is now the determining factor for losing units
when a BG disbands, not the BG's current level of ammo supply
o�� BGs that disband while out of supply now lose units from their FP as well as active units. The chance to lose a unit in the FP depends on difficulty setting:
�� Recruit: 0%
�� Green: 5%
�� Line: 10%
�� Veteran: 15%
�� Elite: 20%
If you intentionally disband your own BG (using the 'Disband' button) the chance for losing a FP team is 5% less.
o�� Force Pools are now initialized as follows: Campaign = full team quantities from the FP file for that date/difficulty. Operation = 2/3 that quantity. Battle = 1/3 that quantity. Previously these were 2/3 for both Camps and Ops and full value for single battles
o�� Reinforcement button on BG screen now enabled if reinforcements are available to the BG and doing so would add teams to the FP

�� Fixes
o�� Map updates/fixes: The following maps have had graphics or data updated
�� Wardin
�� Wiltz
�� Neffe
�� Champlon
�� Martelange
�� Andler
�� 3 Ponts
�� Malmedy� (Thanks Pvt_Grunt for your work on this!)
�� Rosieres
�� Bulingen
�� Baraque de Fraiture
o�� Fixed: Reinforcements now visible during preview even when there is a BG currently on the map where the reinforcements would arrive
o�� Fixed an issue with disbanded (and thus empty) BGs being left on the strategic map. Existing games with this problem should also play normally now.
o�� Ground conditions (dry/wet) now shown one the Strategic Screen regardless of current selection (map, BG, etc).
o�� Fixed the issue with BGs being able to move 'behind' an attacker on the first turn of the game. Now if opposing BGs are on the same map at the very start of the game they will not be able to move out of that map onto an enemy controlled map. This applies to the very first turn of the game only
o�� Fixed: Multi-player screen dialogs for modem and serial port settings were not displaying properly.
o�� Fixed: Viewing reinforcements on the Strategic Screen would not show reinforcement battle group if an active battle group was on the arrival map during the actual current turn.
o�� Fixed overview map red circle location placement in Close Combat IV Classic

�� AI Enhancements and Fixes
o�� Fixed: German AI was not allocating heavy artillery support properly.

10/27/2008 � 4.50.2
�� Fixes
o�� Fixed Missing Save Game directory in Close Combat Classic
o�� Fixed a Crash Bug that could happen after a large amount of terrain damage was recorded for a map
o�� Fixed Map Issue in Close Combat Classic
o�� Fixed Error with Game Menu not displaying Catalog

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/17/2009 10:50:21 AM

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Looks like the things posted here have been taken seriously. Very nice to see that.

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/17/2009 2:48:48 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Andrew Williams

o�� Being able to trace a supply line is now the determining factor for losing units
when a BG disbands, not the BG's current level of ammo supply
o�� BGs that disband while out of supply now lose units from their FP as well as active units. The chance to lose a unit in the FP depends on difficulty setting:
�� Recruit: 0%
�� Green: 5%
�� Line: 10%
�� Veteran: 15%
�� Elite: 20%
If you intentionally disband your own BG (using the 'Disband' button) the chance for losing a FP team is 5% less.
o�� Force Pools are now initialized as follows: Campaign = full team quantities from the FP file for that date/difficulty. Operation = 2/3 that quantity. Battle = 1/3 that quantity. Previously these were 2/3 for both Camps and Ops and full value for single battles

A major improvement if all the above works!
Although 10% for default settings seems a bit low if you ask me: it means that on average, 90% of all surrounded units will 'break ou' to fight again...
Are those values hardcoded, or are they editable?

Otherwise: patch looks very promising!
Cheers,

Moss

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/18/2009 12:26:25 AM

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Does look good.
I know you said "This is most of it " will the patch be able to provide a readme for all fixes or a list made available after the patch?

I don't understand this one....
BGLEADERPIC now shown on the Battle Group screen if you're running the game with the /D option (i.e. CC4 Classic) Showing correctly
What do you mean by D option?

thanks

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/18/2009 12:51:31 AM

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When you click on Classic CC4 you are running the game with the /d option.

This has basically superseded modswap and config. manager as a way of playing mods.

When you play the downloadable "Locked" campaigns you are also running under the /d switch

Firefox's mod is run under the /D switch

Bernd's mod creation utility for WaR creates mods to run under the /D switch

For a player all this is not important... what is important mods now run from a single shortcut on your desktop without having to plugin in unplug or swap in swap out mods.

All are playable simultaneously and just need a double click on the shortcut to run.

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/18/2009 12:52:13 AM

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So when you run Classic CC4 you will see the leader pic.

quote:

will the patch be able to provide a readme for all fixes or a list made available after the patch?

I copied that from the patch's readme.

Anything else I've forgotten or is too detailed to elaborate upon.

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/18/2009 10:21:17 AM

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That's an impressive long list of fixes, Schrecken...thanks!
Special thanks for enabling the Commander Photos for mods

BTW, what about the minor cosmetic glitch of US AB represented (in both BG screens and soldier uniforms in-game) still wearing M42 khaki jumpsuits (like in Normandy) and not M43 uniforms?
Also...how about more historical VG teams?

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/18/2009 9:44:33 PM

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I take it the map updates don't include adding or removing the tree shadows to all the maps on the zoomed out veiw while playing the game?
Any chance that might make it someday?

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/18/2009 9:48:04 PM

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quote:

o BGs that disband while out of supply now lose units from their FP as well as active units. The chance to lose a unit in the FP depends on difficulty setting:
 Recruit: 0%
 Green: 5%
 Line: 10%
 Veteran: 15%
 Elite: 20%
If you intentionally disband your own BG (using the 'Disband' button) the chance for losing a FP team is 5% less.

I'm VERY satisfied with this one. This is a very important improvement and it's clear that Matrix listen (or read) us. I'm impressive... really.

THX!!!!!!!!!!!

dehm

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/24/2009 7:33:07 PM

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Any Update on the Patch? Its been "almost ready to go...." since last week.

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/25/2009 2:56:45 PM

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Impressive list of changes!!!

(Hopefully there is still budget for subsequent patch(es), if needed).

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/25/2009 8:56:46 PM

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I appreciate your work. Thank you very much.

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/27/2009 2:41:31 AM

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Missing from the list

Slowed scroll speed of strat map.

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/27/2009 6:27:09 AM

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Missing from the Download section.......The Patch?

If Matrix holds to their "No patches on Friday...." then we are out of luck for another week. Hmmm Maybe they should only accept orders Monday-Thurs?

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/27/2009 6:47:23 AM

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My bank isn't open Saturday or sunday apart from limited electronic self service... seems to be a fair few businesses hold to that rule.

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/27/2009 7:33:25 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Andrew Williams

My bank isn't open Saturday or sunday apart from limited electronic self service... seems to be a fair few businesses hold to that rule.

Is a patch one businesses?

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/27/2009 8:09:55 AM

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My bank is open on Saturdays until 1pm. But what does Saturday have to do with Friday, you do work that day, don't you?

By the way, you still have that craptastic skidding on the dirt bug from that piece of garbage game Close Combat Modern Tactics. You know, that bug that is from November of 2007

GG Matrix!

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/27/2009 8:18:45 AM

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I'd better switch banks!

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 2/28/2009 1:46:26 PM

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Looking forward to the patch.

Of course the sooner we get it the better, but the main thing is that Matrix is willing to work with the community to address these issues in a patch, and I am very appreciative of that. The list of changes posted by Andrew appears to involve numerous code changes, and not just database changes. I am particularly appreciative of this effort on their part, because it stands in contrast to the lack of response to my "too-many-night-battles" code change request for WPO a year or 2 ago.

Also, please note that software engineers (I am one BTW, but for cell phones), have lives (or try to have them), so forcing us to always work weekends is mean.

So good job on WaR, Matrix, and I hope that you sell a sufficient number of copies of WaR to justify continued patch support (including fixing the entrenchments issue)!!!

(BTW, I finally convinced my friend Larry to buy WaR yesterday, in part based on this commitment to improvement).

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 3/1/2009 11:17:52 AM

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Sorry I still dont understand your post Andrew.
Is that BGLEADER pic an update for WAR or for Classic CCIV?

I'm just thinking out loud here but would it be possible for the game to display what AI units have support?
I havent played H2H yet� is that something thats visable in H2H?
And to whom it may concern thank- you very much for the updated map .ovm and .mmm files found here.

http://closecombat.matrixgames.com/WaR/WaRmods.html

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 3/1/2009 6:26:16 PM

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The leader pictures for WAR were turned off, but CC4 and many mods have pictures so for these items which are installed in their own sub directory (they start the exe using /d option) pictures will appear.

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 3/3/2009 10:17:10 PM

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wow,
The wait for this one sure should be good.(considering how long the game has been out)
I hope I dont have to buy a new hard drive just to install the next patch. :)

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 3/3/2009 10:20:33 PM

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Yes, this is epic. In a bad sort of way.

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 3/3/2009 10:24:17 PM

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I had to go look for the original date but it was October 29th 2008 when the game came out.
Almost 4 months ago.

Who knows,maybe they are fixing everything and we will be "Just like Peas & Carrots" Jenny and I
Gosh knows I didnt post everything I dont like here,but I posted it.

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 3/3/2009 10:40:14 PM

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Yes, the patch is starting to look VERY much like Vaporware

There is more fog surrounding its release than the first day of the battle it is supposed to depict! Of course since Matrix already has our $$ our priority is less than new sales so we get back-burnered. I can accept that for cosmetic or minor patch details but for the campaign killing bugs in the game its rather poor practice.

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RE: With all due respect.................. - 3/3/2009 10:46:41 PM

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I started another GC last week (this time as the Allies) and while I havent gone as far as before I'm not having that problem (yet) Ofcourse I dnt expect it as I think it was due mostly to whooping the AI's arse forcing them off the map.

I dont know Matrix's policy's on games but I hope this isnt the last Hurrahh for WAR.

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