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RE: Lord Churchill - 2/26/2009 8:00:01 AM   
SierraJuliet


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Status: offline 		Yum.... six volume WWII set.... it's on my list.

The World Crisis set I have is a five volume set published by The Folio Society London 2007. The first three books deal with the lead up and the conflict itself, the fourth the aftermath and the fifth relates the eastern front. It was first published in 1923. The edition I have was published by arrangement with the Estate of Winston Churchill.

Like you I have found Churchill's writings to be an excellent read. I was surprised at the easy style. The personal insights of many people, who I have only previously known about as historical figures only, helps to understand the reasons why the history of that time went the way it did. These books also have a healthy dose of reprints of original letters used by Churchill and others.

With a much anticipated victory in his sights I imagine the loss of H.M.S. Howe would have cut him to the quick.

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RE: Lord Churchill - 2/26/2009 6:38:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I vastly enjoy his writing and ability to say "I screwed up" or the enlightening portraits of the leaders/politicians of the day.  Great stuff.  I used a portion of Books 2 and 3 for a paper I wrote in Grad School on the Fall of Singapore once and the vehement argument between PM Curtain of Australia and PM Winston over the deployment of the 2 Aussie Divisions returning home from the Middle East.


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Naval Action at Hong Kong - 2/26/2009 6:54:37 PM   
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Hong Kong
It has been quite a while since the Imperial Navy has had a surface clash and this day certainly provides it.  The Japanese Striking Force is comprised of CA Aoba, CL Yura, 5 DD and CL Jintsu with 4 DD.  This night they do battle with an initial force of 2 CL (Java and Ceylon) and 9 Brit/Dutch DD.  The battle is fought in two actions:

Fight 1:  The Aoba group gets surprise on the Brits to start with and the results are delightful to watch!  Before the British know what hit them 3 DD take Long Lance Torps (Voyager/Tenedos/Pathfinder) and the battle is joined.  A total of 6 Gunnery Rounds occur with the Japanese doing pretty well.  CL Yura sinks due to a Torp hit and 1 DD takes Heavy Damage in exchange for the earlier listed DD as well as CL Java on Fire and 2 more DD Heavily Damaged.

Fight 2:  The reverse occurs to open the second action.  As the Japanese Captain onboard Jintsu tries to sneak into the anchorage, he is surprised by the remainder of the British STF.  Two of his DDs are crippled in the opening round and then combat is earnestly joined.  This fight lasts 7 rounds.  The Japanese lose 3 DD and another crippled.  CL Jintsu sails through the fight without being touched!  The British Lose another DD, see CL Java Heavily Damaged, and have 3 more DD crippled.

While no AP/AK are found, the action was enjoyable to watch.  Totals:  Japanese losses CL Yura, 4 DD, and have 3 on the verge of sinking.  The British lose 4 DD, suffer heavy damage to a CL, and have 5 DD crippled.  Even exchange for the most part...

The remaining Japanese ships escape air attack and will rendezvous at Legaspi to refuel and join-up with another pair of CL and 2 DD.

SE Iwo Jima
A small TF is attacked by 10 2E Recon Kamikazes and 24 DB.  Two Kamikazes slam into a DE causing serious damage while the DB hit 2 LCI and 2 LSM.  One of the LSM sinks that day.

Port Moresby
This base falls under the combined weight of an Aussie Corps:  2 1/2 Inf Div, 1 TK Birg, HQ, and 2 Base Force.  Another damaged AK sinks and the Japanese bombers work on their low morale at Rabaul.

ASW ACTION
SS Sawfish is crushed SW of Davao by 36 DC Hits.

Another SS is hit by LBA at Palau.

Tokyo
Little do the Allies know but the Japanese have pulled their fighters out of the capaital for a few days when the attacks come in.  The normal Sweep by 74 Thunderbolts catches air, then follows 167 4EB doing 19 Resources and AF damage, and finally 133 B-29 hit 63 Heavy Industry.  Will wait a day or two and then move my Fighters back into the area.



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RE: Naval Action at Hong Kong - 2/26/2009 11:16:53 PM   
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RE: Naval Action at Hong Kong - 3/2/2009 7:55:30 PM   
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Update - 3/3/2009 5:34:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had planned to update the AAR tonight after Dan and I got in two turns today but things were so calm I didn't have too much to report.

The Invasion Force is now on the same hex row as Benkolen, Sumatra so it is plugging along at 1/1 movement.  The Kaigun has departed Java and is now a few hexes south of Java moving at cruise speed (2/2) and slowly closing the range with the Invasion Force.  Between the two forces are my AOs carrying 115,000 fuel.  I plan to link the Kaigun up with the AOs and have them move together.

No major moves or attacks anywhere else on the map.  China is pretty quiet with no major attack on Canton yet.  Supply sucks there but I have nearly 2,000 AS, Forts 9 abnd it is an urban hex.  Perhaps it will hold for a few weeks...

After a four week haitus in the SE Pac, Dan began landing at Luganville with a small Landing Force.  I have 4 DD at Lunga and they might take a swipe at the TF.



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Canton Seige - 3/4/2009 3:50:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		We have slowed down our turns this week with getting about 2 in per day so not a lot to report. Here is the current scene at canton. It is frightening!






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Movement - 3/4/2009 3:56:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is the the movement going on. As you can see we are making slow but steady progress!

Should also note that October 16th saw a big attack on Nagasaki. Standard tactics were followed:

Fighter Sweep 85 P-47 vs. 136 Fighters Shot down 11 P-47 for 98 Fighters

China B-29s 33 Fighters attack 88 B-29s and shot down 6 of them in exchange for a Port attack hitting CVE Unyo repeatedly

Sakhalin B-29s 32 Fighters attack 229 B-29 and do really well dropping 9 of them for many more hits on poor Unyo.

The Port takes hits each time and all this effort does net the Unyo sinking. Poor little CVE has moved from Port-to-Port trying to get repaired with little progress.

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RE: Movement - 3/4/2009 4:22:13 PM   
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RE: Movement - 3/4/2009 4:43:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		This plan has already gotten farther then I anticipated.  Gathering the men, supplies, fuel, ships, and planes took forever and only twice did Dan spot the Kaigun while it loitered at Soerabaja.  Am thankful for that.  The only real chance of discovery for the next 10 days is bumping into a convoy or random TF.  Beyond that the next hurdle should be about October 26th when we start getting close to Ceylon...



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RE: Movement - 3/4/2009 11:28:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is winding the clock back a bit...  This surely gives you an excellent personal insight into the mood experienced by everyone in the fleet during the run into to Pearl Harbour.  Remaining concealed but just never knowing what is over the horizon.

Perhaps a scene such as this is being played out on your ships.  I have quoted from the writings of Rear Adm. Sadao Chigusa (Ret.) in Cahpter 13 Conquer the Pacific Ocean Aboard Destroyer Akigumo: War Diary of the Hawaiian Battle in The Pearl Harbor Papers by Goldstein & Dillon.

"It has now been one week under continuously severe secrecy every day, earnestly observing silence without wireless, since leaving Hitokappu Bay [instead read this as Soerabaja].  So as not to be found by the enemy, to take more easily and accept the challenge of a raid by the enemy and to provide a tanker location convenient for supplying the destroyers, we followed a a special formation.  All the ships of our Fleet did their best to keep an assigned position relative to the flagship, Akagi, which was the Task Force guide."

Akagi still leads the fleet in battle with the enemy?

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IJN Akagi - 3/5/2009 5:03:27 AM   
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Vice-Admiral Nagumo Chuichi takes a deep breath as he lowers his binoculars.  The Bridge of this venerable Aircraft Carrier has been his for nearly three years.  Though upgraded a number of times during the war, Nagumo can explain every sound he hears and the speed of the ship just through the vibration of the deck plates.  Spread throughout the horizon from east to west and north to south, the vast remainder of the Kaigun moves at his orders.  The list of names rolls through his head: 

The Veterans:  Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, Shokaku, Zuikaku with Ryujo, Zuiho, Ryuho, Shoho and even the elderly Hosho where everything started.
The Newcomers:  Taiho, Amagi, Unryu, Kasagi, Aso, with Chitose and Ibuki
The Escort Carriers:  Taiyo, Chuyo, Kaiyo, Shinyo, and Shimane maru

The Escorts stay close together the lesson a chance of discovery:  1 BC (Hiei), 1 BB (Hyuga), 8 CA, 4 CL, and 52 DD  

Filling the holds of the Carriers are almost 1,100 planes.  Many pilots (mainly bomber crews) are veterans of the entire war while others are fresh from flight school...

Roughly 1,000 miles separate the Kaigun with nearly 150 Freightors, Transports, and Escorts who are plodding along at 10 Knots...

He stares at the message that was just blinkered throughout the Fleet:

"Set Condition 3--No radio transmissions, no electronic emissions, only flight operations shall be conducted by our Combat Air Patrol.  There shall be no unauthorized ASW fights or aerial missions of any kind.  This state is to be maintained for the next 10 days.  Maintain Speed at 12 Knots--Course 270*"

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RE: IJN Akagi - 3/5/2009 8:25:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nagumo and his venerable ships   What further glory in the service of the Emperor can they produce together. 

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RE: Lord Churchill - 3/5/2009 9:56:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi John 3rd. Your reference to Curtin and his stoush with Churchill has caught my attention. I saw a programme last year which focussed on Curtin in the early days of the war with Japan. Much of it had to do with the pressure he experienced in getting those troops back to Australia.

Coming back to your paper... is it a published document.... I'm interessted in your take on this episode.

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RE: Lord Churchill - 3/5/2009 6:23:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would have to look around for the Paper.  It is about 25 pages long and I wrote it while in Graduate School.  It might be a little dated at having been written 12 years ago.  Know I have a paper copy of it and am fairly sure there is an electronic version somewhere.  Will let you know when it turns up.  It was fun to write.  Didn't know just how cantankerous the Australia--Great Britain relationship was until that paper was written.  Old Winston simply did not grasp how the Aussies felt with Singapore about to fall and most of their veteran troops either AT Singapore or in the Middle East.  This led to the title of the paper:  An Imperial Crisis of Perspective:  The Fall of Singapore.
 

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RE: Lord Churchill - 3/5/2009 6:30:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		21 CV/CVL/CVE, 1 BC, 1 BB, 8 CA, 4 CL, 52 DD  and 1100 planes...now thats a TF. it smells like a annihilation battle!

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Another Right Hook in China - 3/5/2009 6:33:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		After taking FOREVER to move places, Dan has really picked up the pace of his operations!

Good news in that convoys are still moving with 1 now unloading at Nagasaki (40,000 Resources and 100,000 Oil), another is about half that size midway between Legaspi and Nagasaki, and a 3rd is leaving Tarakan today.

With a HUGE amount of the American Navy nearby each convoy run in is a small victory!





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RE: Another Right Hook in China - 3/5/2009 6:40:20 PM   
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RE: Lord Churchill - 3/5/2009 6:41:34 PM   
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21 CV/CVL/CVE, 1 BC, 1 BB, 8 CA, 4 CL, 52 DD  and 1100 planes...now thats a TF. it smells like a annihilation battle!



That is pretty much the plan...



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RE: Lord Churchill - 3/5/2009 10:26:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		He is landing at Swatow with 4 Chinese Corps, W. Africane Div, and an Art Reg.  Yaaaaa...WHERE do thse troops come from??!!  There are now FIFTY units at Canton with stacks of 12, 9, and 11 in three other locations within China.  Lordy...

What does one do?  Q-Ball you are in a Big B game as late or later then this.  What are you seeing in terms of land conbat?


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RE: Lord Churchill - 3/5/2009 11:13:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I sent you the save file, check it out. They have alot of troops! But I haven't seen the kind of land war you have, as I still hold all of SE Asia. He is taking bases, with a ((Edited out on second thought, this AAR not classified to my opponent))

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Southern China - 3/6/2009 9:04:42 AM   
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...but on the OTHER hand... - 3/6/2009 9:09:21 AM   
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RE: ...but on the OTHER hand... - 3/6/2009 9:30:14 AM   
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...but on the OTHER hand... - 3/6/2009 7:39:28 PM   
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October 21-23, 1944
Submarine Operations

We have just come off a wild and crazy four days of Submarine Operations within the Pacific and I thought I might share them.  No matter how many SS I sink (now approaching 90) there are BUCKETS more!  Here are the tallies over the last three days:

October 21st
ASW Attacks  1---SS Supreme hit by 18 DC east of Davao
LBA Attacks  3

SS Shark hits an AK
I-48 hits two AK off the Aden Channel and sinks them both.

SS Supreme SUNK!

October 22nd
ASW Attacks  2---SS Sablefish hit in two different attacks east of Legaspi
LBA Attacks  4---SS Sablefish hit again and S-18 nailed twice south of Nagasaki

SS Shark sinks an AK NE of Formosa

SS S-18 AND Sablefish SUNK!

October 23rd
ASW Attacks  2---SS Hake hit by 8 DC on Fire east of Formosa
LBA Attacks  0

SS Hake (after being hit) sinks PC Somi with 2 Torps
SS Flier hits two AP NE of Formosa (one scuttled other OK)
I-48 Misses an AK at Aden Shipping Channel
I-169 Misses AK east of Indochina

October 24th
ASW Attacks 0
LBA Attacks 2

Shark puts one Torp into an AP NE of Formosa
I-169 hits an AK with 3 Shells and 1 Torp off eastern Hainan Isle.

SS Spirilla sinks near Ceylon due to damage from about 2 weeks ago!


Pretty good set of days reflecting the intensity of the battle throughout the Pacific and Indian Ocean.

EDIT: I added Oct 24th to this...

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Damned 59-Mile Bug Strikes - 3/6/2009 7:42:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		It always happens at a very bad time.  I ordered my troops to withdraw from Canton on the 21st, on the 22nd they were at the 59 mile mark, and on the 23rd they were STILL at the 59 mile mark!  

Is there anything to do?  I expect to be cutoff by troops moving up from Swatow within a day or two...

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RE: Damned 59-Mile Bug Strikes - 3/6/2009 7:46:24 PM   
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It always happens at a very bad time.  I ordered my troops to withdraw from Canton on the 21st, on the 22nd they were at the 59 mile mark, and on the 23rd they were STILL at the 59 mile mark!  

Is there anything to do?  I expect to be cutoff by troops moving up from Swatow within a day or two...


do they have a friendly base as destination and if so are you sure there´s a valid supply line?


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RE: Damned 59-Mile Bug Strikes - 3/6/2009 7:54:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I set them to Pucheng.  There are no Allied units in the way.  The path is clear by road and trail.  Is there something I am missing.  PLEASE say yes and what!!!




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ASW--SS Action - 3/6/2009 7:55:46 PM   
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Shhhhhh... - 3/6/2009 10:12:39 PM   
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