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Operation Shoestring - 3/9/2009 5:45:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		As has been described the Japanese began the invasion of New Zealand to serve as a distraction for the Allies. No serious hope was entertained about the Operational success of the mission; however, over time that thinking began to change within the Japanese High Command.

The Allies are making no apparent effort to save the North Island or reinforce the South Island. Sensing opportunity, the Japanese began to move more infantry and other units to supplement the initial force of South Seas Force, a Construction Battalion, and a Special Base Force. This decision has born unexpected fruit.

Hamilton fell in mid-March and Wellington was invested about the the same time.

The Gisbome base has expanded to AF-3 and is rapidly approaching Sz-4. Fully 150 planes fly from this base and Hamilton boasts another 45 planes at its Sz-1 (almost 2) field. Each day Wellington was attacked by 20 Z and 50-60 Betty bombers doing damage to the AF and hitting the troops.

The end of the month saw the first Japanese bombardments. With the Tone Heavy Gun Regiment and 14th Army HQ arriving at Wellington on the 1st, the assault began in earnest.

April 3rd saw the arrival of the Kido Butaiwho then added a standing CAP over the town as well as strikes by as many as 99 Kates. Coinciding with the KB's power display a Deliberate Attack was launched that yielded a surprising 1-1 result and lowered the Forts to 4.

The attacking units displayed very little disruption so another attack was ordered for the 5th. The 4th and 5th saw heavy aerial attacks by the KB and Gisbome bombers. Each day saw at least 200 Allied Casualties as 4-8 Guns destroyed.

An attempt was made by the New Zealanders to help Wellington when two strikes were launched by Hudson bombers at the troops attacking Wellington. The first strike of 18 planes fought its way through 17 Zeros and the second strike found additional Japanese planes aiding the first Daitai raising the CAP to 37 total. For causing 9 Casualties, the New Zealand bomber crews lost 9 planes and had another dozen damaged.

With the skies reasonably safe, the attack order was given and Allied defenses immediately crumbled. By dawn of April 6th the city surrendered to the stunned and victorious Japanese! The result was a 6-1 attack and 14,508 POWs taken.

BANZAI!

Auckland is now next for Operation Shoestring...







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RE: Operation Shoestring - 3/9/2009 11:40:31 AM   
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We will use our next counseling session to review the connection between colors and NPD.

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RE: Operation Shoestring - 3/9/2009 2:06:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I let John know that some real life issues are preventing me from giving this full attention; some attention, just not full attention. Basically I need to work hard to save my job, so depending on how that goes, I will either have not much time for WITP, or a whole lot. Let's hope the former.

At any rate, I think that NZ operation shows the danger of a Sir Robin. Even attempting a shoestring invasion would not be possible if they put up a fight at Noumea or Fiji, which were both undefended. When those spots were occupied, it made sense to keep going until encountering resistance, and that's what happened. And maybe it would have been smarter to concentrate everyone at Auckland when we landed. The speed with which Wellington fell was surprising.

The Allied plan seems to be to have build up Papete into a fortress right off the bat. We have seen tons of shipping there, but little anywhere else.

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RE: Operation Shoestring - 3/9/2009 2:33:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think the situation in New Zealand shows anything but the inherant weakness of the Allies position at the start of the game; the Japanese, armed with foreknowledge (since you guys have played so many times) are able to exploit that inherant weakness in a way that probably wouldn't have happened in real life (and good for you for doing so!).  The dilemma for the Allies is that NZ is a potential prison camp.  Whatever they commit there will be demolished if the Japanese come in large numbers.  So they instead focus on building up bases that will give them a good jumping off spot for the eventual day they are ready to go on the offensive.  Papete is a great hold for them (but you guys could've taken that, too, had you been focused on SoPac rather than India; so they were rolling the dice there too).

So far you and John have done a great job - both due to planning and that awesome foreknowlege your real life counterparts didn't have.  But you guys actually haven't administered any kind of crippling blow the the Allies yet.  If the Allies aren't creamed in India, they will actually be in great shape.

Good luck with those real life issues, Q-Ball!

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RE: Operation Shoestring - 3/9/2009 6:45:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Dan for the thoughts!

You're right about foreknowledge, that cuts both ways. The Allies "know" they are going to lose Malaya and shouldn't send the 18th Div as a late-Jan reinforcement. They know IJN torp bombers can sink a battleship in the Gulf of Siam. All lessons the real life Allies had to learn the hard way. They also know all the Japanese weaknesses.

Ultimately that is the only thing about the game you can't make more realistic; the history is in our heads, and the game knowledge too, and can't get out. The Pacific War was only a big series of surprises the first time!

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RE: Operation Shoestring - 3/9/2009 7:46:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, that's true - both sides have the advantage of foreknowledge, and there's no way to duplicate the loss of the surprise and "ignorance" that the true combatants dealt with.

But during the first year of the game the Japs have a decided advantage because they hold the initiative.  That's why in just about any human vs. human WitP game the Jap player will far exceed what the real Japs accomplished.  Later in the war, the reverse is true with the Allies holding a similar advantage.  For instance, in my game with John I know that the Japs aren't developing an atomic bomb.  :)

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RE: Operation Shoestring - 3/9/2009 7:55:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Mr Narsy,

We will use our next counseling session to review the connection between colors and NPD.

Sincerely,
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This is ALLLLLLLL about me Mister Therapist! The Lovely Pink and Perty Yellow really appeal to my good natured love of color...

(Sorry--INSIDE joke between this idiot and myself)

We now return to the regularly scheduled broadcast...



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RE: Operation Shoestring - 3/9/2009 7:56:52 PM   
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Yes, that's true - both sides have the advantage of foreknowledge, and there's no way to duplicate the loss of the surprise and "ignorance" that the true combatants dealt with.

But during the first year of the game the Japs have a decided advantage because they hold the initiative.  That's why in just about any human vs. human WitP game the Jap player will far exceed what the real Japs accomplished.  Later in the war, the reverse is true with the Allies holding a similar advantage.  For instance, in my game with John I know that the Japs aren't developing an atomic bomb.  :)


HAH! You only THINK we're not developing the bomb!


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RE: Operation Shoestring - 3/9/2009 8:25:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		That knowledge is an early IJN advantage, but more importantly is that the Japanese have unrealistic levels of shipping capacity in particular, and fuel/supplies. But mostly shipping capacity. No way IRL Japan could lift 7 divisions at once accross the Bay of Bengal like we just did.

Also no matter what we do, we don't knock the Allies out. We can maybe win an auto-victory, but the Allies never lose for good. You can lose India and bounce back, even if all the UK reinforcements arrive in Karachi (see PzB v Wobbly AAR).



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RE: Operation Shoestring - 3/9/2009 8:49:11 PM   
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RE: Operation Shoestring - 3/9/2009 9:19:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Brad and I have a decent communication's system running where he gives me direction and I provide orders when he is unable to run a turn.

At least he has a job.  I would KILL (oooppps that is a Felony) to be working anywhere.

His economic work has been great so far.  When I posted the April 1st report I couldn't believe how our Supply had gone UP 200,000 during March.  How often does that happen in a Campaign?

We just got CV Hiyo a few days ago and BB Yamato isn't too far away.  The moment we get that BB it will be time to accelerate the first set of 1943/1944 Japanese CVs.


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RE: Operation Shoestring - 3/10/2009 3:18:36 AM   
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All the best in the job sit Q-Ball!


Thank you for the thoughts, and I feel for you John. Not to get political, but economic....it kind of sucks out there. Our European friends have more job protections I think. In the US, it's easier to get a job...and easier to lose it too. US companies can drop employees anytime, with no mandatory costs at all (just back vacation).

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India Update - 3/11/2009 6:14:35 AM   
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Another India - 3/12/2009 5:21:06 PM   
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RE: Another India - 3/14/2009 3:12:59 PM   
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John has been busy on his other AAR, and I have been busy with real life, so AAR updates have been few and far between lately. We can't let it fall to page 2 though, so here is the latest:

India

Our opponents have done a good job of defense so far, or maybe we have made a hash of the landing. Either way, we're not making the progress I would like, and welcome any suggestions.

At Cuttack, we have approx. 2 div + facing a large force of troops accross the river. This is blocking the direct route to the Northeast.
At Raipur, they have a collection of units blocking about 3+ divisions; the units are deadlocked, we have not gotten better than 0 to 1 attacks.
Madras fell a couple days ago, and we do have a bit of a breaktout here; we have a large force marching due north on the map (actually west by the compass), and they appear to be pulling out of southern India

Not sure if John mentioned, but in a large surface action 5 days ago, a Dutch TF attacked my cruisers protecting Vizingapatam. In a very unequal fight, our 4 CA's led by Tanaka sank 3 Dutch CLs and 3 DDs with nary a scratch. The IJN rules the night!

Although they got some licks in on empty transports, the surface commitment in the IO eventually proved futile for the Allies, as they lost 5 cruisers in the process (including 2 E-Class RN ones, more useful than the Dutch)

I have scouted Chittagong, and there is only a small base force there. I have a Division, Bde, and some SNLF available in about a week or two; I intend to land there if we are still deadlocked.

New Zealand

The other area we are advancing is New Zealand. Given the initial success, we committed more troops; John now has 56th Div, South Seas, a Mixed Bde, and other troops, about 750 AV in all gathered at Hamilton, for the final push on Auckland. Once that falls, we still have the strength to clear South Island.

Elsewhere

John and I are on the defensive elsewhere, and expecting a major USN countermove to take the pressure off India. To protect our eastern empire, we are:

1. Moving Car Div 2 back to the Pacific, and including the 2 Zuihos and Ryujo.
2. Keeping 6 Daitai of Bettys on alert and resting at all times; no more ground bombing by the IJN. Also escorting Zeros.
3. Moving Nav Gd units, CD units, and building forts accross the perimeter.
4. As soon as Cebu falls, I am moving 65th Bde to Truk as a mobile in theater reserve. (It's also really banged up, and needs tropical R&R anyway)

Basically, with the IJA tied up in India, we need to rely on our Air power to secure the Pacific. That should be enough through mid-42 anyway.

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RE: Another India - 3/14/2009 4:03:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, guys!  It's nice to be able to leave my focus on India for awhile to visit your focus on....well, India. Drat, I can't get away from it!

Q-Ball, I've read your report, but of course I'm missing alot of information about your situation, so any advice I give will suffer from that defect.

1.  Your opponents must've been airlifting Chinese units in Burma/NE India from the get-go to be so strong.  (Chinese units are light on equipment so it's easy to carry them).

2.   Do you think you have a realistic chance of succeeding with your objectives in India, now?

3.  Is there anything short of your original goal that is worthwhile (I doubt it).

4.  Another invasion might outflank Cuttack and collapse the Allied position, or it might just disperse your forces further and put you in the midst of the Chinese horde.  I wouldn't do this unless I was as sure as I could be (or had an awfully strong hunch) that the Allies had everything on the front line.  It will be easy for him to move to meet this new threat, and a division plus isn't all that powerful.

5.  Is it worth disengaging now?

6.  Are there other objectives you could switch to (Ceylon would be worthwhile as it hinder Allied supply and offensives, but ultimately you've gotta pull out of there - probably by late autumn '42).

7.  You've done a great job with next to nothing in New Zealand, which is also a threat to Allied LOS and LOC.  If you disengage from India, will you have the ability and time, and does that help you, to finish of the conquest of NZ, perhaps engage in other offensives in that area, and to meet the Allies there?

8.  If they've stripped China, is there anything you can do there to make it hurt?  Can you land at Pakhoi on the coast and then threaten their position in that area?

Sounds like you've reached the "tough decisions" stage.  You guys haven't clobbered the Allies yet (though you've done very well), and they certainly haven't touched you.  Get out if you can't do anything worthwhile in India.  But if you can or think you can, go for it!

P.S.  I haven't read your opponent's AAR in months (if they've even posted, which I don't think they have).

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RE: Another India - 3/14/2009 4:03:46 PM   
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India

Our opponents have done a good job of defense so far, or maybe we have made a hash of the landing. Either way, we're not making the progress I would like, and welcome any suggestions.

At Cuttack, we have approx. 2 div + facing a large force of troops accross the river. This is blocking the direct route to the Northeast.
At Raipur, they have a collection of units blocking about 3+ divisions; the units are deadlocked, we have not gotten better than 0 to 1 attacks.
Madras fell a couple days ago, and we do have a bit of a breaktout here; we have a large force marching due north on the map (actually west by the compass), and they appear to be pulling out of southern India

Not sure if John mentioned, but in a large surface action 5 days ago, a Dutch TF attacked my cruisers protecting Vizingapatam. In a very unequal fight, our 4 CA's led by Tanaka sank 3 Dutch CLs and 3 DDs with nary a scratch. The IJN rules the night!

Although they got some licks in on empty transports, the surface commitment in the IO eventually proved futile for the Allies, as they lost 5 cruisers in the process (including 2 E-Class RN ones, more useful than the Dutch)

I have scouted Chittagong, and there is only a small base force there. I have a Division, Bde, and some SNLF available in about a week or two; I intend to land there if we are still deadlocked.


I would not land at Chittagong. Unless your plans have changed, they are to conquer India. Thus, objective #1 is to divide India into two parts. Then you can eliminate each part at your leisure. The SNLF can be used to garrison some of the coastal bases in the SW corner of India (a medium size BF to Triv to build up and keep Ceylon suppressed), the brigade to hold Bombay until you can take it, and the division to help exploit a weak point. That weak point is to drive past Hyperabad and head over towards Dehli area to take those bases (hopefully with some armor).

I would have refueled and resupplied mini-KB and have her take up station off the Aden channel. Send a SNLF and small BF (30 Aviation Support) to Addu Island). Prevent any evacs and/or reinforcements to get to Karachi. Remember, its a game of logistics - stop theirs and protect yours.

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RE: Another India - 3/14/2009 5:03:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		What about withdrawing from the Cuttack position and bringing the troops back to Viza?  OUr Forts there are climbing.  Leave one Inf Div at Viza and shoot the rest west into the area we've broken through.  I doubt if they have the power to break into Viza and since we now have Madras...

Kind of out there but an idea...

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RE: Operation Shoestring - 3/16/2009 2:41:33 AM   
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The last couple days we have had some positive movement in India; we have finally broken through, and heading for open ground.

India

A 3+ division attack at Raipur finally cracked the Allied defenses; those units are retreating to Nagpur, opening an open rail line northward. We are sending the bulk of the troops up the tracks to Nagpur to pursue, with some tanks heading north. A Para drop soon on Cownpore will cut the northern rail line, and split the India armies in two.

In the south, forces are gathering at Hyderabad, but I think they will retreat to Bombay. We have capture Bangalore, and south of that appears empty. A large force is moving from Bangalore toward Bombay.

New Zealand

We should be attacking Auckland in about 3 days or so. Hopefully with a quick conquest, we can move to and capture South Island.

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Pretty Pictures - 3/16/2009 4:54:08 AM   
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Pretty Pictures #2 - 3/16/2009 4:54:51 AM   
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Auckland, NZ - 3/17/2009 6:34:09 PM   
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India Choices - 3/17/2009 6:47:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm over at my Father's Good Samaritan and wanted to post this before he and I took off for the day. Perhaps the august members of the Forum could provide some thoughts to the India Campaign.

Brad and I are mulling over options and would welcome any thoughts. Here is the recent email exchange:

My First email:
I think we need to seriously think about how to take India with the current situation. Where to go seems a very relevant question. Options as I see them:

1. Swing East, take Calcutta, and destroy the troop east of there as well as the Burma Army.
2. Throw everything at Karachi while all that strength is to the east and take it THEN swing back to the far eastern troops.

Am I on some form of drugs to think about the 2nd option?

Regardless, small units can take extreme southern India and you can set enough BF to cut the supply line at sea from Trivandrum, Mangalore, or Pangrim.

What do you think about this???

Brad's Thoughts:
Couldn't respond earlier, I am open to suggestions. The road from Cuttack is wide open it seems. I would like to do something about the airlifts from Myitkina, we are intercepting transports but not shooting any down it seems. Bombers are 50/50 hitting that base due to weather.

The escape north of Raipur is running into units, though Hyderabad looks vulnerable.

Cownpore is occupied; no para drop. Looking at Asanol and Calcutta now, whichever is vacant.


My Rejoinder:
The question is should we attack EAST and grab everything so the Burma Army is cutoff and then killed or should be go after Calcutta and leave them behind. It is more daring to attack west but I'm not sure if we should leave so much firepower behind us and fight a two front war. Perhaps you should take out Hyderabad, Bangalore, Pangrim, and Bombay then turn east to deal with what is over there. Bombay will be tough due to the urban hex. You will have another Infantry Division and 2 China Brigades to strengthen the attack some.

Another thought might be to take the above targets, deal with Ceylon (we could use the repair yard) and then go east. Think I will post this and a screenshot onto the Forum and see what they think.





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RE: India Choices - 3/17/2009 6:56:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		My thoughts, for what they are worth:

1.  Identify a main target and then focus on it, whether it be Calcutta or Karachi, and detail as little as possible to take vacant bases and garrison bases so that you can really concentrate on that main objetive.

2.  Do not spread out with multiple objectives for mutliple groups of two or three Jap divisions; you're too dispersed and unable to finish off one of the two major objectives you need to take to put the Allies in a world of hurt.

3.  Sounds like it's going to be hard to trap and destroy the Allied army in NE India because it seems that they've airlifted in the Chinese hord.  But if you are sure you can take Calcutta by concentrating your force, I think that's your better objective because it freezes the Allied army in place and is closer to your main bases of operation and your supply line.

4.  If you're unsure of Calcutta but sure of Karachi, that's your next best option.  If you take it in good order, you can then turn to face the enemy at Calcutta; but all that takes time and your opponent doesn't remain static.

5.  If you have serious doubts about being able to take either objective, you need to begin planning your withdrawal.  In the meantime, you might be able to take Bombay, which is a blow to the Allies, and most of the rest of southern India, and you may also have enough time and resources to take Ceylon.  While those don't accomplish what you set out to do, they are meaningful conquests and force the Allies to do some work in India and Ceylon before they can really hit SEAC.

6.  Look at the map of China.   See Pakhoi on the SE coast?  See how taking it would threaten the Chinese positions at Wenchow and other SE cities? 

Edited to Add: I should have read your post more carefully before opining, because I just noticed your observation that the Allies seem to be pulling out of the Asanol and Cuttack area. Wow, that's great! If they're stampeding, you certainly want to encourage them to continue by nipping at their heals and driving them wherever they're going (unless you can cut them off and trap them). But I would make good and sure I could take and hold Calcutta/Diamond Harbor/Dacca. Not only is that a strategic key, but to me the ability to open up a land-link to your army in Burma is huge. Suddenly, instead of operating out of a beachhead in India surrounded on all sides by the enemy (or positions from which the enemy might attack), you link up with your rear and you're essentially fighting a one-front war. How nice is that?!

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RE: India Choices - 3/18/2009 1:03:55 AM   
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RE: India Choices - 3/18/2009 2:29:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looking at your screen shot, I would say they are heading north to hold Karachi and will try to take whatever they can in that direction. If you now have Cuttack, then the shoulder holding you out of Calcutta has been weakened and is no longer important.

First, your Recon LBA should be very busy in this theater. I expect them to try to get some of their troops from Mandalay up to Imphal. Then it is a short trip up to Rangpur and safety. If you cannot cut the Rangpur/Luchnow RR, then much of their forces will be able to escape to Karachi.

Second, I would expect that they have transported a frag of many units that will be left behind in Burma to Calcutta and many will go to Karachi and then Aden for long term rebuilding. They will have the time to do so.

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RE: India Choices - 3/18/2009 5:40:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		We've decided to go east and link-up with the army in Burma.  It is the much more prudent thing to do.  We'll complete existing operations and shift more and more tot he east.  There are two China Brigades less then a week out by ship as well as the 4th Inf Div coming in from the Philippines.  This will give us nearly two more idivsion worth of weight for attack.

The Addu Invasion Force is moving so we can cut the link completely.

Imagine we'll beat-up Ceylon for a while and then take it too.  I would like to have a Repair Yard close by if possible.

Interesting event this day (April 22nd) when our recon spotted a convoy of 9 AK near Mandalore.  I-153 put a Torp into one and then we had a massed raid of 24 Zero, 52 IJA Bombers, and 63 Betty pulverize it from Madras.  A set of 4 AKs were sunk outright with all the others taking multiple hits. 

Brad moved a Kate Daitai, Recon Chutai to which I added a IJA Bomber Sentai and the Tojo Chutai to Bandalore so we have 2 AF flying strikes against anything in the west.

Also spotted an AK or AP at Adelaide NZ this turn.  I have a CL with 6 DD at Wellington.  They get orders to sail, I vector in 3 SS, and set a Betty Daitai to Naval Attack from Wellington.

CarDiv2 is nearly to Soerabaja where it will disband for 7-10 days to repair System Damage.  A group of 2 AO is moving down to load fuel. for a new operation.  These CVs are going to New Zealand to join up with the rest of the KB and I might send them around Aussieland Raiding.  These 5 CV should easily handle the British CVs and stand a good chance of handing it to anything they met up on the way.




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RE: India Choices - 3/19/2009 4:18:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		My time is limited today, maybe John can provide a full 4/26 update; we had a good day for the Empire however, Northern Burma is shaping up to be a vast POW camp.

That 8 AK convoy at Mangalore was completely destroyed. The Kates finished them off. There were attempting to lift out a base force trapped there, but those troops will probably now be POWs.

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RE: India Choices - 3/19/2009 4:43:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think John is grappling with real life issues today (and yesterday), doing some important things that require all of his effort and attention; I hope he'll have time to update, but if not that's probably why.  Y'all who know John are aware that he's been under an extraordinary amount of pressure of late; drop him a p.m. wishing him the best if you have a moment.

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RE: India Choices - 3/19/2009 7:19:46 PM   
John 3rd


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Status: offline 		Thanks again Dan.  TRULY appreciate it.  I will send the current file home so I can do a detailed update while I am at my real home this afternoon.



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