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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/23/2009 4:33:05 AM   
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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/23/2009 9:40:53 PM   
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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/23/2009 10:22:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		19440101 : A new year.  The map did not change in any significant way this turn.  We have brought in replacements for the units on the Eastern Front that have taken losses, but have not done any reinforcements recently.  We have built another ship this turn, and are looking west in 1944.  We must not take chances there, and will just have to build more land power, or pull some units from the East.  The combination of quiet turns and the enemy's production capacity make us very nervous.  We must watch for attacks by air and sea on the shores of Europe.  The Allies are seeking to bring Norway into their fold, and we would love to foil this.

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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/24/2009 2:29:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why not use quiet time, and take over Switzerland and/or Scandinavia and/or Middle East?  Is there a penalty for taking them in current situation?



BTW. BIG THANKS for those AAR`s - I`m totally addicted to them

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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/24/2009 2:57:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Especially Norway which he is about to activate.  I am thinking of it, but Norway is no pushover, and it might cost a good bit to build the amphibious points, or paratroopers.  Switzerland would be interesting, and I must get that VP at some point.  There is not much in the Middle East I can take without getting the Soviets involved.  Gary is taking on Turkey in "Tripleplay" which may get him thinking here.  I do not want to defend Egypt and Saudi Arabia against the Soviets.

I had not been worrying about this, but I suppose I must start.

Glad you are enjoying the AARs. Chocolino has a good one going too.

By the way I have mentioned naming my ships :

Aircraft Carriers :
Germany Freiherr von Richthofen
Germany Graf Zeppelin
Germany Hermann Göring

Battleships :
Germany Bismarck
Germany Derfflinger
Germany Frederick I, Barbarossa
Germany Großer Kurfürst
Germany Friedrich der Grosse
Germany Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Germany Kaiser
Germany Kaiserin
Germany Lutzow
Germany Markgraf
Germany Moltke
Germany Rheinland
Germany Scharnhorst
Germany Schlesien
Germany Schleswig-Holstein
Germany Seydlitz
Germany Tirpitz
Germany Von der Tann

Cruisers :
Germany Emden
Germany Leipzig
Germany Lutzow

U-Boats :
Germany U-22
Germany U-37
Germany U-87
Germany U-98

Chuck

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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/24/2009 4:07:09 AM   
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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/24/2009 5:16:29 PM   
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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/24/2009 9:25:28 PM   
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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/24/2009 11:35:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		19440316 (edited date) : Not enough change in the map to bother with showing one this turn.  We picked off a division, the only one left observing our lines.  We are now expecting a shock, which seems paradoxical, but really is not.  The vast amount of production the Allies have at their command has been a black box for many turns now.  Putting ourselves in their shoes we would be building an immense navy, and we have to think the Allies are doing just that.  If this is the case they should be ready for a naval onslaught soon.  We are going to be hurt, and we do not have the PP to rebuild quickly.  One option would be to place the fleets out of harm's way, and let the Allies make their assault on the beaches of Europe, and then fight them on the land, but that will be a very hard fight.  If our fleets can hold them off for another invasion cycle it would be wonderful.  The suspense of the Allied forces hanging over our head is significant.

Should we be attacking vigorously in the Soviet Union?  Perhaps we should, but that takes such a committment.  We think we can hold there, but the West is ominous.  If we push forward in the East we will need many more line fillers and they cost PP, but are not as valuable.  Production is the key here, as always, and building infantry does not please us.  The shoe must drop, and the "expected shock" will come.

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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/25/2009 3:01:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		19440401 : Now that is airpower! We are scrambling, and that is never fun. We expect more trouble, and perhaps a major attack or demonstration from the Soviets. Woo hoo!





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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/25/2009 6:16:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		19440416 : Whew, more airborne. We have certainly not contained the allies in the West, but we have a chance of doing so. In the East we have had to pull back, and will have to do so again.





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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/25/2009 11:41:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		19440501 : Debacle. We are in very rough shape. Our two finest Korps, rushed to the West were lost, along with a fine Italian corps. On both fronts the pressure is immense, and we can hardly cope. All production is being desparately rushed to the front in hopes of staving off the disaster unfloding.





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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/25/2009 11:54:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Campaign notes : Well, Mr. Gardner has shown how it is done.  The extensive use of his airpower is a demonstration of how to play to your own strengths.  My analysis before the invasion commented on his building ships, but he chose a way much more suited to the occasion.  The air power vaporises my defenders, and the mobility means the Channel is a freeway.  I will not forget soon the vulnerability of Le Havre.  Only the strongest garrison is appropriate there.

The operational blunder I made with the exposure of my magnificent Panzer Korps is inexcusable.  I should have held them back at Paris, and I am ashamed to admit that the final location was partly because of greed in attacking an airborne division.  Once these huge American Corps are on the continent, woe to the Axis.

Of course this is not the result of General Marshall and his staff analysis, but of the mind of Mr. Gardner, who chose his weapon wisely, and applied it with such skill.  Perhaps I am in the best spot to appreciate just how well this was done, and there is a certain pleasure to be taken from this, but it has not been exactly fun!

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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/26/2009 6:06:32 PM   
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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/26/2009 6:09:04 PM   
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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/26/2009 7:09:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Amen.  I wonder how close we are to the historical situation?  Not too far for 1944, on land anyway.  I have learned a lot about defending the continent against the Allies.  One thing I will never do again is consider the Axis Minors as proper troops for garrison duty.  It is incredible how much they get in the way.  This game does an excellent job of recreating the problems of multination coalitions.  Notice that Gary has only US troops in the beachhead.

Now I know how Gary felt when the Brest invasion occured in RtW.  There are so many factors involved here.  I really do love playing this game.

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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/26/2009 11:49:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: James Ward

This is going to be a real slugfest from here on out!


Sure thingy, I think now is the time for the "Wunderwaffen" and "durchhalten".
The disaster at Le Havre is indeed what more or less happened at Caen and La Falaise. After that a retreat to... Holland and the Ardennes I guess. Does this game give defenders in forests and hills and behind rivers a bonus?

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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/27/2009 12:58:55 AM   
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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/27/2009 4:50:43 AM   
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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/27/2009 5:06:09 PM   
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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/27/2009 9:05:09 PM   
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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/28/2009 3:16:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		19440616 : We escape an airborne drop in the East, and see the tracks of many Americans.





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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/28/2009 5:04:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your game here will become the gold standard of Axis play. I think nobody managed to hold out as Axis in an uncalibrated game as long as you did no matter what happens next - and you still have a lot of life left. I was actually inspired by your play in SuD to also abstain from attacking the USSR in Crossroads. The odds are stacked too much against a German attack with Partisans and Winter penalties while the Allies/Comintern enjoy a much larger industrial production at the same time.

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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/28/2009 6:35:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you, but that is not the way I see it.  I played the defense in the West very poorly.  The garrison around Le Havre was a joke against air power.  Le Havre is a special case.  Amphibious assault there is not the problem, rather one must watch for a massive air strike, a bombardment that can take a powerful corps down to a empty hex, followed by airborne assault.  Once the port falls it is a land fight against the Allied production.  I was so taken with my navies that I failed to see the air threat.  I will never forget that again.

One turn before I considered very seriously strat moving a 19SP L4 Panzer Korps to Paris.  It would have been a wonderful thing to have that first turn, but no, I wanted it on the Eastern Front.  One more korps there did not make much difference, but what a golden opportunity was missed by not putting it in reserve in the West.

The turn after Le Havre fell I rushed my two best Korps west, and then in a fit of over optomism I let them get surrounded, and lost them.  As soon as I sent the turn off I got a sinking feeling.  It was my lunch hour at work, and I walked to a friend's desk and said "I just lost the two finest units on the board."  I waited hopelessly for the next turn, for I knew Gary would see this chance, and when the next turn came in there they were, surrounded and defenceless.   Misery.  I disbanded the two German, and one Italian corps, and tried to make the best of it.

I am well aware that my current position has "life left" but with a little less false confidence, and a proper analysis of what Gary had to do to get on the continent, I could have kept him off.  "I couda been a contender!"

That lunch hour move, the one of the poor decision about my Panzer Korps, should have been put off till I got home from work.  I should have put my cue down and freshened up like the fat man did.  In wargamming, and life, it is better to not make big decisions when in an emotional state, and I was frazzled to be fighting Gary in the West.

None of this should be seen as anything other than an explanation of why "gold standard" cannot apply here.  I liked my decisions, and think I still have a few tricks up my sleeve, so on with the game!  You are watching two pretty impressive forcepools working against each other.

One more point, for all Axis players out there, the horrible danger of encirclement, unit destroying encirclement, that you, and only you face, will give you nightmares each turn.  You just know it is coming, and it is the major tactical/operational driver in your game.  It is just huge, and if you look at "Tripleplay" in Spain, Feb. 1943, you will see another poor Axis leader finding out more about it.

Chuck

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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/28/2009 12:18:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not going to argue this much against the author himself. Maybe just so much: I am sure you are correct about the analysis of your own recent moves But I didn't mean to say that you executed each and every move perfectly (who does?), I was more referring to the overall strategy and outcome. You are alive and well as the Axis so late in the game against a formidable opponent. As annoying as LeHavre may be for you right now, once you have a chance to step back, you will see that you have all reason to be proud of the game as a whole.

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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/28/2009 5:45:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the Axis have been very well played. They are at a massive production disadvantage and are still fielding a very potent military. 
You should check victory at the end of April 45 to see how you did against history. 

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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/28/2009 6:24:57 PM   
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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/28/2009 8:52:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		19440701 : Combat in the East. We had to pull our Luftwaffe out as the losses were mounting up. In the West we lose Brest.





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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/29/2009 4:11:35 AM   
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RE: Sturm und Drang : Axis Perspective - 3/29/2009 1:22:37 PM   
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