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Old BTRquestion - 4/1/2009 10:51:24 PM

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I am playing as Axis in old BTR. there are several things that is not written in the manual.

1. How exactly does research system working? I already converted 12 plants to Ta152, how much will it speed uo the research?

2. will the assambly lines upgrade automaticly as they do in witp, say from G6 to G14.

3. what is the pilot replacemt rate for both sides?

These are all I can come up with for the time being.

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/2/2009 2:24:59 AM

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for reseach, it was for each 100 planes made, (all 3 parts) the date to arrive advanced one month

from what I remember, yes

each nation has it's own replacement rate, and it also depends on year, that was always a unknown amount

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/3/2009 3:38:52 AM

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Thanks sarg. I can expect Ta 152H,before second quarter of 1944

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/3/2009 1:34:23 PM

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it is a good plane, it will be a little HARDer to get in our verison, but still gainable

we have a lot more engine types and stuff for the LW to build, so they can't just stockpile huge amounts of Engines and parts, for when they need them

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/4/2009 4:27:29 AM

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I emstimated German pilot replacement rate around 15 a day at 43. For any Axis plane shot down its pilot will have 60+ percent chance KAI and 40- percent WAI. The Axis pane assambly capacity is around 65, even if I dedicate 26 capacity to Ta152H research and 4 to Me262. I still shot of pilot.

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/4/2009 3:22:32 PM

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losses have changed, you got a better chance of not getting as many dead

production has been increased

the Allied player, will really want to be sure they get a Big Week in, as soon as they can, or they may be in trouble down the road

(the real goal in the game for the Allied player, is to break the LW, the goal for the LW is to keep his airforce intact, all the fancy planes in the world are worthless, with out somebody to fly them)

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/5/2009 5:02:38 PM

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Yes, thats the idea. I usually keep my luftwaffe for strategic raid, and leave tactical to Flak and Axis minors. By the way, I am now in mid Sept 43, 5 out of 8 units on Gustav line is out of supply. Is that normal? I am really worried about how log they can hold it. Is it caused by not leaving any aircraft in italian theater?

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/10/2009 12:49:30 AM

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anyone knows the supply problem?

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/10/2009 6:31:55 AM

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without seeing the map and being able to look around

I would have to say your supply lines have been cut (you can click on a Axis troop unit and it will show you the supply line) normally it is pretty HARD to cut the line and make it hurt the bad guys, it does weaken them, and cuts off reinforcements

any of the single lines, are HARD to break, in all of my tests and Harleys tests, we were both never able to crack a single line, and as far as we know, I am the only one who was able to break the double line (so it can be done, but everything has to work out, just right)

so..., I would think you should be good

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/10/2009 11:47:55 AM

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As you can see the supply line is fine, unit next to the one out of supply has cost of 35.

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/10/2009 11:49:29 AM

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picture shows supply cost�B the unit next to the railway station is out of supply, yet one further away from station is not.

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/10/2009 11:56:03 AM

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the odd thing is all my units are little bit south of Gustav line

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/10/2009 12:05:50 PM

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unit out of supply

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/10/2009 12:12:05 PM

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unit next to station

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/26/2009 2:12:25 PM

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I feel that Allies pilot replacement rate may be way too high. In the first 5 days of the '43 game, I killed/captured about 1600 Allied pilots. Their "ready aircraft" points dropped no more than 200. I know they had some spare pilots at the beginning of the game. Still, it means Allies receive 250+ pilots a day!!!

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/26/2009 3:15:13 PM

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Interesting

how much modding did you do ?

you got too many planes in the OOB

you got almost 1000 more planes then you should of started with, not counting the 1600 lost, along with close to 500 more LW planes

neither side has major reinforcements with in the first 5 days, and the LW doesn't build that many planes in 5 days

it takes a couple of weeks for the game to fill in units with pilots, even if they don't fly any missions, and most units start with depleted Pilot numbers

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/26/2009 5:49:05 PM

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Thanks for your reply. I am on 1.06x5 without any modding as far as I know. Do you mean that the OOB should have ready aircrafts approx 4200 for the Allies and 1900 for Axis? The figures change every time I start a new game but always around 5300 for Allies and 2400 for Axis. I also noticed that I randomly receive replacement aircrafts which I have stopped production.

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/26/2009 7:17:47 PM

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from 106x5

add in the unready planes, those are there too

you got 7900 Allied planes, after losing 1600 + planes, 3814 for the Axis

(I show around 6133/3245 (give or take a few) at start)

Allies are showing a whole lot of ready planes, after just losing over 500 planes

overall, something don't look right

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/26/2009 10:31:48 PM

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I got the patch from old forum on ezboard a few years ago. All files seem to be the same as the one available here except the readme. So, I've no idea why our OOBs are different. But since it did not break the game and we are going to have new BTR soon, I am not too worried.

I was not thinking about pilot replacement rate until I saw this post thread. I started a new game trying to bleed Allied to death. Mighty Eight has effectively been reduced to a fighter group, however I was surprised to see the stats of ready aircraft in summary page. Does it mean autopilot on Allied aircrafts?

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/27/2009 12:12:10 PM

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I am still not sure what you have or are seeing

using 106x5 and one of JC's old OOBs

after 5 days, I end up with 6404 Allied planes and 3419 Axis planes, and that is with out losses

I still have a number of units that have not fill up with pilots

so, I got to say, I don't know why you have more planes and pilots then the game should have

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/27/2009 1:16:08 PM

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I believe I have more planes and pilots at the beginning of the game, not after 5 days all of a sudden. This is typically what I see on day 1, 8200 vs 3900 give or take. Obviously, your version must be more official and authentic. However, since the old Talonsoft version and JC's patch have been there for so long, I really have no idea whether any private patch has been added on ezboard. I'd like to see how other people have their OOB look like.

Nonetheless, so be it my version has more planes and pilots. As a matter of fact I de-commissioned 1600 Allied pilots in 5 days. Allies should by all means have dropped 1000+ ready aircrafts no matter they started with 6000 or 8000. Would anybody please have a closer look at this issue? Maybe by testing as the Allied and sending your boys to suicidal missions?

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/27/2009 1:43:09 PM

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looking at a clean build (I got dozens of builds on my HD, been a beta tester for this for ages)

I am getting 7200, and 2900 for the two sides, and most units are short of pilots

(stock had a number of units in at the start, that should of been seen as reinforcements, which one of the reasons for the OOBs to start with)

(I am wondering if your OOB may have all of the "deleted" Units added into the at start setup (the U.S. Fighter Squadrons also have there "parent" FGs, but those do not show up, the LW had units that come in later, with a newer name, and then these were "blocked")

other then that, I am not sure :)

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/27/2009 5:24:59 PM

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here is as it looks to me (not a stock OB/OA)

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/28/2009 1:49:08 AM

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The Allies seem to have significant terror points, like what I had on 1.03. Your Hamburg vicinity must be in orange, if not in red colour. Do you still have things like Me109-5 or MC202 in your composition?

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/28/2009 7:42:57 PM

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The Allies seem to have significant terror points, like what I had on 1.03. Your Hamburg vicinity must be in orange, if not in red colour. Do you still have things like Me109-5 or MC202 in your composition?

here is a picture of Hamburg

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/28/2009 7:44:09 PM

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and here the A/Cs:

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/28/2009 7:45:15 PM

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and now the Axis A/Cs

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/28/2009 7:47:03 PM

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if you compare this to the hopefully soon coming Matrix Edition, you will see that there are nearly no A/C models in the Talonsoft version

But with more A/C marks, there are also some changes to the industry.........

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/28/2009 7:48:50 PM

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As you can see the supply line is fine, unit next to the one out of supply has cost of 35.

you cannot see the full supply line, you "only" see the cities....but there are also crossroads (infamous in the early versions because the AI was able to but AA there in huge amounts!!)

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RE: Old BTRquestion - 4/28/2009 10:59:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: KNJ

I am playing as Axis in old BTR. there are several things that is not written in the manual.

1. How exactly does research system working? I already converted 12 plants to Ta152, how much will it speed uo the research?

2. will the assambly lines upgrade automaticly as they do in witp, say from G6 to G14.

3. what is the pilot replacemt rate for both sides?

These are all I can come up with for the time being.

Re Ta152 research - bad news is there was a bug where if you converted too many factories to the Ta152 then all research would stop. This kicked in at around 12 if I remember. To check, you need to use the editor and see if the production date is moving...

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