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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 2/19/2009 10:56:56 PM   
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HELP REQUIRED PLEASE

Does anyone know where I can get Output, Speed and Armament details for the Catapult Armed Merchantman, Empire Morn? I need to use her for one of the ASW Carrier write-ups, but whilst I can find loads of good stuff on her career (which makes her ideal for the write-up) I can`t find these technical details...

Any assistance would be appreciated thank you.

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 2/19/2009 11:18:16 PM   
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HELP REQUIRED PLEASE

Does anyone know where I can get Output, Speed and Armament details for the Catapult Armed Merchantman, Empire Morn? I need to use her for one of the ASW Carrier write-ups, but whilst I can find loads of good stuff on her career (which makes her ideal for the write-up) I can`t find these technical details...

Any assistance would be appreciated thank you.

Jane's Fighting Merchantmen?

...sorry, just kidding

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 2/19/2009 11:19:55 PM   
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HELP REQUIRED PLEASE

Does anyone know where I can get Output, Speed and Armament details for the Catapult Armed Merchantman, Empire Morn? I need to use her for one of the ASW Carrier write-ups, but whilst I can find loads of good stuff on her career (which makes her ideal for the write-up) I can`t find these technical details...

Any assistance would be appreciated thank you.

Jane's Fighting Merchantmen?

...sorry, just kidding

Warspite1

That`s REALLY helpful thank you

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 2/20/2009 12:16:01 AM   
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Perhaps here. http://www.warshipsww2.eu/staty.php?language=E I'm not sure about that specific ship, but the class should be there.

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 2/20/2009 12:23:47 AM   
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Perhaps here. http://www.warshipsww2.eu/staty.php?language=E I'm not sure about that specific ship, but the class should be there.

Warspite1

An interesting site that I have not come across before - thank you. The ship is there...although sadly without the data I need

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 2/20/2009 1:53:53 AM   
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What is that you mean by Output?

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 2/20/2009 8:53:54 AM   
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What is that you mean by Output?

Warspite1

Sorry, that the horsepower figure.

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 2/20/2009 9:15:10 PM   
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Sorry, that the horsepower figure.


2,100 HP according to this post - at least when the ship was sailing under a new owner and a new name (Rio Pas) after the war.
http://www.webmar.com/foros/viewtopic.php?f=43&p=42328

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 2/21/2009 1:58:14 AM   
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HELP REQUIRED PLEASE

Does anyone know where I can get Output, Speed and Armament details for the Catapult Armed Merchantman, Empire Morn? I need to use her for one of the ASW Carrier write-ups, but whilst I can find loads of good stuff on her career (which makes her ideal for the write-up) I can`t find these technical details...

Any assistance would be appreciated thank you.


From JGN

SS Empire Morn (aka San Antonio and Rio Pas)

http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/ships/2885.html

http://www.buques.org/Monografias/Old%20ships.htm



Built in 1941 by Vickers, in Barrow, as "Empire Morn" for the Ministry of Shipping, later Ministry of War Transport as a “Type Y” vessel. She was a Catapult Aircraft Merchantman Ship (CAMS) and carried one Hawker Hurricane. These ships were mainly sailing on the “Murmansk Run” carrying supplies to the Soviet Union. On April 26, 1943 she struck a mine in position 33-52N 007-50W, in front of Casablanca, destroying the stern as far as to the hold N. 4. She was towed to Gibraltar where she was bought by



In 1947 she was sold to Spain, fitted with a new stern in Cadiz and renamed San Antonio for D. Fernando Maria Pereda Aparicio. 1947 renamed Rio Pas for the same owner. 1963 sold to Marítima Colonial y de Comercio SA (MARCOSA), Madrid. Broken up at Santander in January 1973.


Gross Tonnage - 7,092

Dead Weight Tonnage - 10,000

Dimensions - 136.64 x 17.1 meters

Completed - 1941

Complement - 71

Propulsion - Triple Expansion steam engines

Armament - One forward mounted catapult used to launch one Hawker Hurricane aircraft.



Note: SS means this is a merchant ship so you will not find it in "Jane's Fighting Ships". I have found an entry where SS Empire Morn joined a convoy doing 10 knots.

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 3/14/2009 7:17:19 PM   
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For anyone interested in adding details to the ships writeups, there is this new resource about WW2 Carriers :
http://wp.scn.ru/en/carriers

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 5/10/2009 12:48:50 AM   
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MORE HELP PLEASE

DOES ANYONE KNOW ANY AUSTRALIAN TRANSPORT SHIPS USED IN WORLD WAR II - NOT AMPHIBIOUS LANDING SHIPS BUT TROOP TRANSPORTS PLEASE?

THANKS

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 5/10/2009 1:25:50 AM   
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Warspite has been doing a ton of work on the naval units. Here are two of his more recent writeups.





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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 5/10/2009 1:27:17 AM   
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Page 2 of 2.

By the way, Robert's writeups on the combat ships are more detailed than these.




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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 5/10/2009 7:37:09 AM   
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Steve

For some reason the T in M.O.W.T has not come out and there is just a blank space where it should be. Any ideas why?

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 5/10/2009 9:45:22 AM   
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Steve

For some reason the T in M.O.W.T has not come out and there is just a blank space where it should be. Any ideas why?

Rgds

Rob

.T is a formating command.

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 5/10/2009 10:46:43 AM   
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Warspite has been doing a ton of work on the naval units. Here are two of his more recent writeups.

Rather than describing Polish ships in the writeup of the CW TRS, why not put this for the Polish CP writeup, and have something about CW shipping instead ?


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Steve

For some reason the T in M.O.W.T has not come out and there is just a blank space where it should be. Any ideas why?

Rgds

Rob

.T is a formating command.

Maybe write MOWT insteat of M.O.W.T

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 5/10/2009 12:04:44 PM   
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Warspite has been doing a ton of work on the naval units. Here are two of his more recent writeups.

Rather than describing Polish ships in the writeup of the CW TRS, why not put this for the Polish CP writeup, and have something about CW shipping instead ?

Warspite 1

The reasons are numerous:

a) I was told we were not writing up CP points. I asked this question on the forum last year and it was confirmed that CP counters were not being written up.
b) In WIF terms, these Polish ships were used in the TRS role and so TRS is the right place for them. As I say in the write up, there is no Polish TRS. These ships were effectively under the control of the British in terms of their use and so being within a CW counter is not wrong.
c) There are sufficient CW counters to ensure plenty is written about CW TRS (I still need an Australian example though so PLEASE help someone).
d) I feel there were a sufficient number of these Polish vessels to warrant their inclusion in a CW counter.
e) As an Englishman, I am very aware of the contribution of the Polish men and women during WWII - mostly fighting within the RAF, British Army, RN or Merchant Navy. Recognising this in this way is something I am delighted to do.

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 5/10/2009 12:25:52 PM   
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Steve

For some reason the T in M.O.W.T has not come out and there is just a blank space where it should be. Any ideas why?

Rgds

Rob

.T is a formating command.

Steve / Andy

I don`t know what is involved for you guys to get the content onto the counter. Would it be a pain to re-submit each affected counter again with MOWT instead of M.O.W.T to avoid the formatting error?

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 5/10/2009 5:46:34 PM   
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Steve

For some reason the T in M.O.W.T has not come out and there is just a blank space where it should be. Any ideas why?

Rgds

Rob

.T is a formating command.

Steve / Andy

I don`t know what is involved for you guys to get the content onto the counter. Would it be a pain to re-submit each affected counter again with MOWT instead of M.O.W.T to avoid the formatting error?


There is no need for you to do this counter by counter. Andy can do a single global search and replace in the master file (~1 minute).

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 5/10/2009 6:13:22 PM   
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Wunderbar!! thank-you

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 5/10/2009 6:54:47 PM   
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The reasons are numerous:

a) I was told we were not writing up CP points. I asked this question on the forum last year and it was confirmed that CP counters were not being written up.

Yes, but why not make exceptions for interesting cases.

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b) In WIF terms, these Polish ships were used in the TRS role and so TRS is the right place for them. As I say in the write up, there is no Polish TRS. These ships were effectively under the control of the British in terms of their use and so being within a CW counter is not wrong.

Maybe add a few things about others then. As it is now, it is only about Poles.

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 5/10/2009 7:16:58 PM   
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The reasons are numerous:

a) I was told we were not writing up CP points. I asked this question on the forum last year and it was confirmed that CP counters were not being written up.

Yes, but why not make exceptions for interesting cases.

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b) In WIF terms, these Polish ships were used in the TRS role and so TRS is the right place for them. As I say in the write up, there is no Polish TRS. These ships were effectively under the control of the British in terms of their use and so being within a CW counter is not wrong.

Maybe add a few things about others then. As it is now, it is only about Poles.

Warspite1

I have almost 250 naval counters to write about - if anyone wants to be responsible for CP counters - please be my guest.

If I read your second comment right, are you under the assumption that there is only one write up for all TRS counters? If so then this is not the case. Each counter has a separate write up. There are 14 British, 1 Canadian and 1 Australian TRS counter. I have used one of the 14 British counters as a tribute to the Polish. The other 13 CW counters contain stories about the following ships that were used in a TRS role (either troops or equipment): Aquitania (troop convoys from Australia), Lancastria (evacuation from western France of the second BEF), Laconia (her sinking while carrying thousands of talian POW`s), Franconia (evacuation from Norway), HMS Athene (aircraft transportation), Empire Star (evacuation from Singapore), Pennland (evacuation from Greece), Khedive Ismail (tragic sinking after which hundreds of survivors were depth charged by their own side) , Monarch of Bermuda (typical WS convoy), Clan Fraser (transport of troops to Greece), Strathaird (Australian - Middle East convoy), Empire Song (Tiger Convoy) and Queen Mary / Queen Elizabeth (general history).

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 5/10/2009 8:47:21 PM   
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The reasons are numerous:

a) I was told we were not writing up CP points. I asked this question on the forum last year and it was confirmed that CP counters were not being written up.

Yes, but why not make exceptions for interesting cases.

quote:

b) In WIF terms, these Polish ships were used in the TRS role and so TRS is the right place for them. As I say in the write up, there is no Polish TRS. These ships were effectively under the control of the British in terms of their use and so being within a CW counter is not wrong.

Maybe add a few things about others then. As it is now, it is only about Poles.

Warspite1

I have almost 250 naval counters to write about - if anyone wants to be responsible for CP counters - please be my guest.

If I read your second comment right, are you under the assumption that there is only one write up for all TRS counters? If so then this is not the case. Each counter has a separate write up. There are 14 British, 1 Canadian and 1 Australian TRS counter. I have used one of the 14 British counters as a tribute to the Polish. The other 13 CW counters contain stories about the following ships that were used in a TRS role (either troops or equipment): Aquitania (troop convoys from Australia), Lancastria (evacuation from western France of the second BEF), Laconia (her sinking while carrying thousands of talian POW`s), Franconia (evacuation from Norway), HMS Athene (aircraft transportation), Empire Star (evacuation from Singapore), Pennland (evacuation from Greece), Khedive Ismail (tragic sinking after which hundreds of survivors were depth charged by their own side) , Monarch of Bermuda (typical WS convoy), Clan Fraser (transport of troops to Greece), Strathaird (Australian - Middle East convoy), Empire Song (Tiger Convoy) and Queen Mary / Queen Elizabeth (general history).




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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 5/10/2009 8:53:41 PM   
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If I read your second comment right, are you under the assumption that there is only one write up for all TRS counters? If so then this is not the case. Each counter has a separate write up. There are 14 British, 1 Canadian and 1 Australian TRS counter. I have used one of the 14 British counters as a tribute to the Polish. The other 13 CW counters contain stories about the following ships that were used in a TRS role (either troops or equipment): Aquitania (troop convoys from Australia), Lancastria (evacuation from western France of the second BEF), Laconia (her sinking while carrying thousands of talian POW`s), Franconia (evacuation from Norway), HMS Athene (aircraft transportation), Empire Star (evacuation from Singapore), Pennland (evacuation from Greece), Khedive Ismail (tragic sinking after which hundreds of survivors were depth charged by their own side) , Monarch of Bermuda (typical WS convoy), Clan Fraser (transport of troops to Greece), Strathaird (Australian - Middle East convoy), Empire Song (Tiger Convoy) and Queen Mary / Queen Elizabeth (general history).


Yes, you're right, I was under the assumption that there is only one write up for all TRS counters.
Sorry for the remark, with 1 writeup per TRS this is fine as is. Congratulations for that work !

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 5/11/2009 10:47:31 AM   
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Page 2 of 2.

By the way, Robert's writeups on the combat ships are more detailed than these.




My native tongue is dutch so I discovered a small typo in this screenshot:
"Konigin Emma" should be "koningin Emma"

Otherwise: if this is the level of detail to be expected: WOW!!
Excellent work!


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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 5/11/2009 8:23:23 PM   
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My native tongue is dutch so I discovered a small typo in this screenshot:
"Konigin Emma" should be "koningin Emma"


[/quote] Warspite1

AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 5/11/2009 8:33:29 PM   
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My native tongue is dutch so I discovered a small typo in this screenshot:
"Konigin Emma" should be "koningin Emma"


Warspite1

AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 5/15/2009 4:00:28 AM   
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I just went through the land unit writeups today and there are still a bunch that are missing. Now these are pure glitz, and have no effect on releasing the game. However, if anyone would like to write a description for the units that currently have a pure blank page, that would be nice. Here is a short summary of what remains:

Minor countries:
Mexico
Panama
Venezuela
Brazil
Bolivia
Chile
Argentina
Portugal
Turkey
Ukraine
Czechoslovakia
Ethiopia

Major powers:
US: a couple dozen units, including all the marine units
Japan: a couple dozen
USSR: a couple dozen
Germany: 4 dozen
France: a half dozen
Italy: 3 dozen
British: 3 dozen

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I make it to be roughly 300-350 units remaining, which means that we have writeups for 700-750 already done.




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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 5/15/2009 6:31:22 AM   
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I just went through the land unit writeups today and there are still a bunch that are missing. Now these are pure glitz, and have no effect on releasing the game. However, if anyone would like to write a description for the units that currently have a pure blank page, that would be nice. Here is a short summary of what remains:

Minor countries:
Mexico
Panama
Venezuela
Brazil
Bolivia
Chile
Argentina
Portugal
Turkey
Ukraine
Czechoslovakia
Ethiopia

Major powers:
US: a couple dozen units, including all the marine units
Japan: a couple dozen
USSR: a couple dozen
Germany: 4 dozen
France: a half dozen
Italy: 3 dozen
British: 3 dozen

===
I make it to be roughly 300-350 units remaining, which means that we have writeups for 700-750 already done.



Warspite1

Steve, as you may recall I began the Canadian, Indian and UK units (with a few exceptions - artillery and generals) before getting the opportunity to do the naval units and getting too immersed in those. If you would prefer someone to do the remaining outstanding CW units then I fully understand. My preference - if you are okay with this - would be for me to return to these units once the CW naval are done. My goal would be to bring the land units up to a higher standard than my first efforts and complete the remaining units to the same format.

Given the timeframe to launch I suspect that would mean the outstanding ones not finished off until after launch and added in a patch. How would you feel about that?

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RE: Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land - 5/15/2009 6:49:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

I just went through the land unit writeups today and there are still a bunch that are missing. Now these are pure glitz, and have no effect on releasing the game. However, if anyone would like to write a description for the units that currently have a pure blank page, that would be nice. Here is a short summary of what remains:

Minor countries:
Mexico
Panama
Venezuela
Brazil
Bolivia [Done]
Chile
Argentina
Portugal
Turkey
Ukraine
Czechoslovakia
Ethiopia

Major powers:
US: a couple dozen units, including all the marine units
Japan: a couple dozen
USSR: a couple dozen
Germany: 4 dozen
France: a half dozen
Italy: 3 dozen
British: 3 dozen [Warspite1]

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I make it to be roughly 300-350 units remaining, which means that we have writeups for 700-750 already done.



Warspite1

Steve, as you may recall I began the Canadian, Indian and UK units (with a few exceptions - artillery and generals) before getting the opportunity to do the naval units and getting too immersed in those. If you would prefer someone to do the remaining outstanding CW units then I fully understand. My preference - if you are okay with this - would be for me to return to these units once the CW naval are done. My goal would be to bring the land units up to a higher standard than my first efforts and complete the remaining units to the same format.

Given the timeframe to launch I suspect that would mean the outstanding ones not finished off until after launch and added in a patch. How would you feel about that?


I would prefer if you did the CW units - you do nice work.

Because I have been out of the loop on this for so long, part of the reason I posted this was to elicit: "Hey, I'm doing xxx!" responses.

By the way, I have found the writeup on the Bolivian unit - it had been misnumbered.

EDIT: My revised math gives me ~200 remaining to be assigned (what with the above changes and some others units not listed, but which someone just volunteered to do).

< Message edited by Shannon V. OKeets -- 5/15/2009 6:51:19 AM >


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